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No bashing but I couldn't live without Sunday Ticket.
It's amazing what people can live without when they have to. rolleyes.gif
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It's amazing what people can live without when they have to. rolleyes.gif
I once went an entire day without bacon.

I managed to muddle through with sausage, though.
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I once went an entire day without bacon.

I managed to muddle through with sausage, though.
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post #124 of 385
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Originally Posted by MOMager View Post

I was a loyal DTV customer. I thouht I'd never switch ... Even though the signal would go out when it was super windy, etc., I loved it. However, what I loved most was the NFL Ticket. About 4 years ago Uverse came by and we opted to try it. We kept our Direct TV in our family room and had Uverse there and in all other rooms. I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO DIRECT TV!!!!!! Here are my reasons:

1) the on demand options for Uverse are so much better. You can go from kids shows, to network to premium chanels and then you can get basically any movie out there, as well ... The new featured movies or just in are at a normal cost for on demand, then there's 100'sof other movies for $2.00's ... If you have the Premium stations, all is catagorized so you never need to pay to see anything you want that's airing on those stations ever at any time (ie: HBO, SHOWTIME, etc.)

2) I like the Uverse HD picture quality better.

3) You can record and watch 4 things at once. I know DTV just made their's 5, but the DVR has less space and Uverse will soon be adding up to 6 at once. Watch a dif as you record ... Love it.

4) The interactive usage is also fabulous. From playing games, to to FB, kids multiview in HD, the family map, HSN by remote, weather and local, a food network app, managing your account, flickr and the uverse interactive channel for everything you want to know and need to know, if you choose.

5) my internet speed is extraordinary and so is my landline service which is so much cheaper having this all hubbed together.

If you are a huge TV watcher, love options, don't want to lose service due to weather, etc. and need fast an dgreat wireless then Uverse is the one you want. Again, I never thought I'd like it. Its so much better ...

6) Also there's the new box where you can move it anywhere and that also means you can take your tv with it ... Go outside, etc. You're not stuck in a spot if you want to shift a room around.

I have a friend who FINALLY just got off his blackberry for his new iphone 5 ... Also a DTV user, lol! He said he would never like the iphone more than the BB. Well, he LOVES his iPhone. He also keeps telling me that nothing compares to DTV, but he hasn't tried Uverse. Let me tell you, if he did, it would be his iPhone over the BB story as its that huge of a differnce. Again. I kept my DTV for awhile in one rm, just in case. If you're going to change from cable, don't go lateral ... Upgrade to U-verse, as it has it all and you'll be very happy you did it.

If I have typo's, I'm sorry ... My child just came in and I haven't time to proof read ... I have to get him back to bed.

I hope this helped and I know DTV lover's are going to bash me! LOL. Its OK ... ;-)

Somebody's got to take on the BS... so here I go.

1. Comcast supposedly has the biggest on-demand selection of any provider, but in general these On-Demand systems aren't that great. I'm building an MCE 7 box, and I was thinking of paying $10/mo to keep a regular box for On Demand, and I realized it's cheaper just to buy the occasional show I want off of iTunes or Amazon anyways, and use my new DVR's 3TB hard drive to record everything I might want to watch.

2. There either was something wrong with your DTV setup, or you're just lying. U-Verse is by far the worst out of all the providers. I see Comcast, DirecTV, and U-Verse semi-regularly, and DirecTV > Comcast > U-Verse, although because of MPEG-2 vs. MPEG-4, Comcast might win for programs with a lot of detail and little motion.

3. U-Verse is crippled in that you can't add more tuners if you want them. DirecTV's DVR is 1TB, vs. 500GB for U-Verse (similar because they are both MPEG-4, although U-Verse will go a little farther per GB because they compress the snot out of their content). Cable has 4-12+ tuners and as many TB of storage as you want just because of CableCard and ability to BYO DVR. With either DirecTV or cable, you can keep adding more tuners if you want them (although I think you're more limited by the quantity of good programming on TV than technology), whereas on U-Verse the system is limited by the number of streams (usually 2-4) you can get into the house. DirecTV's whole-home DVR can scale up to about 23 tuners (9 dual plus 1 5-tuner), cable can scale to 4x the number of CableCards they will rent you. Even if AT&T were adding software support for 6 streams, so few U-Verse customers would have enough bandwidth for it that it wouldn't really matter.

4. That's not really part of the core experience, and just sounds gimmicky. Not really a reason to choose a TV provider.

5. U-Verse internet speeds are not extraordinary. I'm on Comcast's Blast! package, and it's currently at 25/4, and it just about to get upgraded to 50/10 (most areas are upgraded by now). FIOS offers reasonably priced packages up to 75/35. U-Verse is still limping along at 24/3 if you're close enough to the VRad, which most customers aren't, and will end up maxing out at something pathetic like 18/2. They also force you to use their equipment, whereas with cable, you own your own modem and router. Pretty soon with CableCard on the video side, the only thing in my apartment that Comcast owns will be the CableCard itself. As for landlines, yes they have a certain reliability to them, but that's about it. You're better off with another TV and internet provider, and if you really want the reliability of copper, just getting the cheapest most basic landline you can get, and doing normal day to day calling through cell phones or Ooma. Also, you can't bundle POTS landline service with U-Verse, you have to use U-Verse Voice, which is VOIP, and carries the power and reliability limitations that any VOIP system does.

6. Windows MCE can also do this in various forms if you're creative (i.e. Powerline networking with an extender, you need power anyways).
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Originally Posted by MOMager View Post

Thank you!!!!! I was frightened I'd get an opposite response. People who haven't had U-Verse don't get why it's so great. I heard Fios doesn't compare and its even more expensive ... However that's the closet thing to U-Verse. Direct TV is trying really hard to up their anti because satellite, which IS better than cab;e was once in and now with fiber optic and all you get from that, is fading away. Digital is the way to go ... Cable it the new Antenna, Satellite the new cable and fiber optic, i.e.; U-verse the new Satellite ... Its just the best for all your needs.

HAHA. Fios doesn't compare? Are you out of your mind? FIOS is the only widespread service that doesn't re-compress MPEG-2 streams, and since it is cable it can be used with MCE or TiVo just like traditional HFC providers. It is actually fiber, unlike U-Verse's fake fiber. FIOS also offers internet speeds up to 75/35, which U-Verse couldn't offer even if they wanted to. Cable is more fiber than U-Verse, because of the last-mile bandwidth being so much higher, and in many cases, cable nodes literally cover smaller areas with the fiber pushed farther out than U-Verse's lawn fridges. And your last sentence... WHAT? Everything is all-digital at this point other than maybe a few backwoods cable providers who are stuck in the past. The facts and the data don't lie. U-Verse is a pathetic system, and will continue to be comparatively worse than HFC-based systems as the cable providers keep pulling tricks out of their sleeves to crank the bandwidth up, while AT&T is stuck with that they have until they go all-fiber. Think years in the future when cable is running everything except locals and expanded basic SD on SDV, running a ton of D3 channels between 860mhz and 1ghz, and is running MPEG-4 or HEVC for all their HD content, and fitting 4 high-quality streams per QAM. They would effectively have unlimited bandwidth, and AT&T will still have.... 30-50mbps if they're lucky. Who's going to win? The provider with the most bandwidth.
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Originally Posted by ybsane View Post

Properly set up with Multi-Cast video un-compressed, FTTH can provide much more than HFC, Direct/Dish-Satellite, and U-verse with V-Rad. I know I sound like a big advocate for it but I am since I was in the CATV industry for over 25-years and know that most Cable Companies are losing video customers all the time. Take into account we all have our own opinions and unless you are actually looking at the bandwidth of the your MPEG-2/4 stream to compare what you have now and had before it is tuff to form a technical opinion.
Sure but who's actually doing it? Verizon FIOS, Google, AT&T, and local munis all in limited areas. And AT&T FTTH actually has lower max internet speeds than their hybrid FTTN system for reasons unfathomable to those that have it.

Fiber is great and should be the standard along with HFC, but the rollout is way behind where it should be because Wall St. investors don't give a damn about long term investments.
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Somebody's got to take on the BS... so here I go.

1. Comcast supposedly has the biggest on-demand selection of any provider, but in general these On-Demand systems aren't that great. I'm building an MCE 7 box, and I was thinking of paying $10/mo to keep a regular box for On Demand, and I realized it's cheaper just to buy the occasional show I want off of iTunes or Amazon anyways, and use my new DVR's 3TB hard drive to record everything I might want to watch.

2. There either was something wrong with your DTV setup, or you're just lying. U-Verse is by far the worst out of all the providers. I see Comcast, DirecTV, and U-Verse semi-regularly, and DirecTV > Comcast > U-Verse, although because of MPEG-2 vs. MPEG-4, Comcast might win for programs with a lot of detail and little motion.

3. U-Verse is crippled in that you can't add more tuners if you want them. DirecTV's DVR is 1TB, vs. 500GB for U-Verse (similar because they are both MPEG-4, although U-Verse will go a little farther per GB because they compress the snot out of their content). Cable has 4-12+ tuners and as many TB of storage as you want just because of CableCard and ability to BYO DVR. With either DirecTV or cable, you can keep adding more tuners if you want them (although I think you're more limited by the quantity of good programming on TV than technology), whereas on U-Verse the system is limited by the number of streams (usually 2-4) you can get into the house. DirecTV's whole-home DVR can scale up to about 23 tuners (9 dual plus 1 5-tuner), cable can scale to 4x the number of CableCards they will rent you. Even if AT&T were adding software support for 6 streams, so few U-Verse customers would have enough bandwidth for it that it wouldn't really matter.

4. That's not really part of the core experience, and just sounds gimmicky. Not really a reason to choose a TV provider.

5. U-Verse internet speeds are not extraordinary. I'm on Comcast's Blast! package, and it's currently at 25/4, and it just about to get upgraded to 50/10 (most areas are upgraded by now). FIOS offers reasonably priced packages up to 75/35. U-Verse is still limping along at 24/3 if you're close enough to the VRad, which most customers aren't, and will end up maxing out at something pathetic like 18/2. They also force you to use their equipment, whereas with cable, you own your own modem and router. Pretty soon with CableCard on the video side, the only thing in my apartment that Comcast owns will be the CableCard itself. As for landlines, yes they have a certain reliability to them, but that's about it. You're better off with another TV and internet provider, and if you really want the reliability of copper, just getting the cheapest most basic landline you can get, and doing normal day to day calling through cell phones or Ooma. Also, you can't bundle POTS landline service with U-Verse, you have to use U-Verse Voice, which is VOIP, and carries the power and reliability limitations that any VOIP system does.

6. Windows MCE can also do this in various forms if you're creative (i.e. Powerline networking with an extender, you need power anyways).
HAHA. Fios doesn't compare? Are you out of your mind? FIOS is the only widespread service that doesn't re-compress MPEG-2 streams, and since it is cable it can be used with MCE or TiVo just like traditional HFC providers. It is actually fiber, unlike U-Verse's fake fiber. FIOS also offers internet speeds up to 75/35, which U-Verse couldn't offer even if they wanted to. Cable is more fiber than U-Verse, because of the last-mile bandwidth being so much higher, and in many cases, cable nodes literally cover smaller areas with the fiber pushed farther out than U-Verse's lawn fridges. And your last sentence... WHAT? Everything is all-digital at this point other than maybe a few backwoods cable providers who are stuck in the past. The facts and the data don't lie. U-Verse is a pathetic system, and will continue to be comparatively worse than HFC-based systems as the cable providers keep pulling tricks out of their sleeves to crank the bandwidth up, while AT&T is stuck with that they have until they go all-fiber. Think years in the future when cable is running everything except locals and expanded basic SD on SDV, running a ton of D3 channels between 860mhz and 1ghz, and is running MPEG-4 or HEVC for all their HD content, and fitting 4 high-quality streams per QAM. They would effectively have unlimited bandwidth, and AT&T will still have.... 30-50mbps if they're lucky. Who's going to win? The provider with the most bandwidth.
Yawn... As Shania Twain so eloquently put it, "That don't impress me much." Why should it matter to you as long as we are satisfied with what we have no matter what it is?
post #127 of 385
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Originally Posted by fkarassik View Post

I envy all of you in the USA. Living in Canada we cannot get DTV, Dish, or anything other than Bell, Videotron, Rogers, and Shaw. So, we are stuck with mundane providers and are at the mercy of the CRTC (Canadian Radio and Televison Corp) We do get 2 channels of HBO Canada which are crap, and a few other offerings. Thank god for Netflix and Cinema now. You should all be happy with what is available in the US as we nothing compared to you.

100% agree.....as a Canadian ex-pat
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

Yawn... As Shania Twain so eloquently put it, "That don't impress me much." Why should it matter to you as long as we are satisfied with what we have no matter what it is?

Nothing wrong with BiggAW's posts.....this is a thread about DTV vs Uverse picture quality after all....

I would be interested to see Uverse PQ in a fiber to the home scenario. Haven't seen much feedback there.
Edited by PlanetAVS - 1/20/13 at 9:20am
post #128 of 385
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Sure but who's actually doing it? Verizon FIOS, Google, AT&T, and local munis all in limited areas. And AT&T FTTH actually has lower max internet speeds than their hybrid FTTN system for reasons unfathomable to those that have it.

Fiber is great and should be the standard along with HFC, but the rollout is way behind where it should be because Wall St. investors don't give a damn about long term investments.

There are more of us building FTTH everyday....smile.gif

http://www.bbpmag.com/
post #129 of 385
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post


Yawn... As Shania Twain so eloquently put it, "That don't impress me much." Why should it matter to you as long as we are satisfied with what we have no matter what it is?

 

The guy's post he was responding to wasn't just commenting on how satisfied he was with the service - his post came off as one, long, incredulous marketing spiel overflowing with blatant hyperbole (I was waiting for the line where it "cures all ills").

 

Anybody that's being honest, even if they "love" U-verse, has to feel it was at least a bit overboard.


Edited by Rammitinski - 1/19/13 at 5:32pm
post #130 of 385
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

The guy's post he was responding to wasn't just commenting on how satisfied he was with the service - his post came off as one, long, incredulous marketing spiel overflowing with blatant hyperbole (I was waiting for the line where it "cures all ills").

Anybody that's being honest, even if they "love" U-verse, has to feel it was at least a bit overboard.
Yeah, that post he responded to struck me as having a rather bad case of "The Vapors"... wink.gif
post #131 of 385
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Chris, why exactly are you wanting to switch? Are you keeping AT&T for you Internet service?

mdavej,

I don't really know, I guess the "change" bug has gotten to me, time to mix things up? One thing recently was I got a new UN60ES8000 LED Samsung TV, and the picture on UVerse has been so so.
I don't know how much better its really going to look moving to DTV, if any, or if it will impress me enough to justify wanting to switch? Thats why I'm on the fence. I have an appointment scheduled but might change it or cancel it.

The DVR service is good enough for us and our needs, but maybe DTVs could improve it and make it better. We watch "some" tv in this family, not all homebodies though, but with an 18month old and 3 year old, there are some benefits to having shows on TV. The 3 year old loves Netflix not part of DTV. So really its more for me and the wife. She loves to DVR shows and I love sports. I figure the experience for us should improve some what if we switched?

I might call AT&T and see if I can get some newer equipment with the threat of leaving, and cancel DTV and see if our AT&T experience gets any better, if not then maybe down the road go with DTV.
That is one thing on my mind right now...

I like having the best picture available for my new TV so that was the main reason for the switch consideration.
post #132 of 385
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

The guy's post he was responding to wasn't just commenting on how satisfied he was with the service - his post came off as one, long, incredulous marketing spiel overflowing with blatant hyperbole (I was waiting for the line where it "cures all ills").

Anybody that's being honest, even if they "love" U-verse, has to feel it was at least a bit overboard.
I can't disagree with that, but when somebody uses the phrase, "... or you're just lying," in any thread, it just has a tendency to ruffle my feathers. People can state their positions without being rude. My very wise father had a great phrase which would be appropriate here, but I'm too kind to use it.
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I don't find anything in BiggAW's posts that is unfactual. What he says about U-Verse is pretty much the truth whether you accept it or not - if you don't think it is, counterpoint him and let's see what you got. IMO it's the Wal-Mart of consumer TV and internet (both in what it offers and how it's marketed to the intended audience), and that's not necessarily a bad thing it just has its limits.
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

I don't find anything in BiggAW's posts that is unfactual. What he says about U-Verse is pretty much the truth whether you accept it or not - if you don't think it is, counterpoint him and let's see what you got. IMO it's the Wal-Mart of consumer TV and internet (both in what it offers and how it's marketed to the intended audience), and that's not necessarily a bad thing it just has its limits.

This is kind of why I'm looking at DirecTV for my TV options, I used to feel that AT&T was the "Target" and Cox was the "Wal-Mart" of TV options here, since they are our only cable options. I never considered Dish or DTV as I didn't like the ugliness of a dish on my house and the weather knocking out the signal was more susceptible here in OK. But I'm starting to get over that thinking, with the advances in technology.

Its probably just broad generalizations on my part, but I kind of feel that Cox/AT&T are the (Wal-Mart/Target) of TV and Dish/DirecTV are the higher end options, for TV.

I do plan to switch my internet to Cox because they offer 55+ speeds for $10 more than what I'm paying for the top AT&T.
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

I don't find anything in BiggAW's posts that is unfactual. What he says about U-Verse is pretty much the truth whether you accept it or not - if you don't think it is, counterpoint him and let's see what you got. IMO it's the Wal-Mart of consumer TV and internet (both in what it offers and how it's marketed to the intended audience), and that's not necessarily a bad thing it just has its limits.
Wow, am I the only one who reads every word of every post? I didn't even insinuate that BiggAW's post was unfactual. It was BiggAW, in his answer to MOMager, and I quote, "There either was something wrong with your DTV setup, or you're just lying."

When U-verse came to our neighborhood over four years ago, DirecTV dishes (and Dish Network dishes) disappeared off roofs faster than my wife's Christmas cookies disappear off a plate. I live in a realitively new upscale neighborhood and when I look out my front, back and side windows, there is not a satellite dish to be seen anywhere. However, when I pull up the wireless internet connections within range of my house, there are 9 "2-wire" (U-verse) connections, 1 regular AT&T connection, and 1 Comcast connection. U-verse may be the "Walmart" of TV/internet service, but apparently a lot of people shop "there" (U-verse) for their service. By the way, I've never bought a TV or any electronic item from Walmart. My two Samsungs came from Amazon and I purchased my new Sony at HHGregg.
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

mdavej,

The DVR service is good enough for us and our needs, but maybe DTVs could improve it and make it better. We watch "some" tv in this family, not all homebodies though, but with an 18month old and 3 year old, there are some benefits to having shows on TV. The 3 year old loves Netflix not part of DTV. So really its more for me and the wife. She loves to DVR shows and I love sports. I figure the experience for us should improve some what if we switched?

I've found that each service's DVR had minor features that i liked/disliked vs other services. Overall I would say it was a "wash". The biggest issue I had with the Direct TV DVR was that performance would slow down (eg. channel changing was slow) as the hard drive would fill up. That particular receiver (HR34 if i recall?) is now over 3 years old so you might want to research if the current receivers have the same issue.

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Yeah, that post he responded to struck me as having a rather bad case of "The Vapors"... wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

The guy's post he was responding to wasn't just commenting on how satisfied he was with the service - his post came off as one, long, incredulous marketing spiel overflowing with blatant hyperbole (I was waiting for the line where it "cures all ills").

Anybody that's being honest, even if they "love" U-verse, has to feel it was at least a bit overboard.

I'm calling shill on that post.

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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

Wow, am I the only one who reads every word of every post? I didn't even insinuate that BiggAW's post was unfactual. It was BiggAW, in his answer to MOMager, and I quote, "There either was something wrong with your DTV setup, or you're just lying."

When U-verse came to our neighborhood over four years ago, DirecTV dishes (and Dish Network dishes) disappeared off roofs faster than my wife's Christmas cookies disappear off a plate. I live in a realitively new upscale neighborhood and when I look out my front, back and side windows, there is not a satellite dish to be seen anywhere. However, when I pull up the wireless internet connections within range of my house, there are 9 "2-wire" (U-verse) connections, 1 regular AT&T connection, and 1 Comcast connection. U-verse may be the "Walmart" of TV/internet service, but apparently a lot of people shop "there" (U-verse) for their service. By the way, I've never bought a TV or any electronic item from Walmart. My two Samsungs came from Amazon and I purchased my new Sony at HHGregg.

Jim,

I felt the same way when I initially went for Uverse. Loved the idea of a fiber optic service that was an alternative to cable/satellite and I really wanted to like Uverse for this reason. However the picture quality was such a letdown that I could not stick with it. The final straw was when I had people over and I had Dark Knight on the TV from HBO, and someone asked me if the movie "was playing in HD" frown.gif

You mention that you are in a newer neighborhood, do you know if you have fiber to the home?
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Originally Posted by PlanetAVS View Post

I've found that each service's DVR had minor features that i liked/disliked vs other services. Overall I would say it was a "wash". The biggest issue I had with the Direct TV DVR was that performance would slow down (eg. channel changing was slow) as the hard drive would fill up. That particular receiver (HR34 if i recall?) is now over 3 years old so you might want to research if the current receivers have the same issue.

Is the HR-34 really 3 years old? I thought that Genie service is pretty new, like within a year or so?
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Is the HR-34 really 3 years old? I thought that Genie service is pretty new, like within a year or so?
Unless I'm mistaken, those are two different products...

I'm still slumming with an HR21.
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Unless I'm mistaken, those are two different products...

I'm still slumming with an HR21.

I think you might be. The HR-34 is what is available with the new Genie service, I think it came out around this time last year?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/22/directv-hr34-dvr-genie/
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

This is kind of why I'm looking at DirecTV for my TV options, I used to feel that AT&T was the "Target" and Cox was the "Wal-Mart" of TV options here, since they are our only cable options. I never considered Dish or DTV as I didn't like the ugliness of a dish on my house and the weather knocking out the signal was more susceptible here in OK. But I'm starting to get over that thinking, with the advances in technology.

Its probably just broad generalizations on my part, but I kind of feel that Cox/AT&T are the (Wal-Mart/Target) of TV and Dish/DirecTV are the higher end options, for TV.

I do plan to switch my internet to Cox because they offer 55+ speeds for $10 more than what I'm paying for the top AT&T.
That's a fair assessment. But I wouldn't say new technology has made rain fade any better, in fact it's made it worse. The band is narrower now and the power less. Recently I averaged an hour or two of signal loss per year, but years ago it was only minutes.

DirecTV is a strange mix of high end and low end. They currently have about the worst HD channel lineup (most of the competitors have far more basic HD channels), the best sports lineup, the best premium channel lineup and the worst SD picture quality that I've ever seen. Their DVR is very advanced but slow as Christmas.

If your main reason for switching is picture quality, I think you'll be disappointed. While DirecTV is technically better than Uverse and Dish, you probably won't notice much difference. Unless you're a huge sports fan, I just don't see DirecTV as a big step up from any service. You still have to keep AT&T or Cox for internet, and lose any bundle discounts you may have. Not worth it IMO.

Not trying to bash DirecTV. They have a great service. But not everything about them is as superior as some may have you believe. This is coming from a former, relatively satisfied DirecTV subscriber. I don't have Uverse either, but from what I've seen at friend's homes and the AT&T store, it isn't half bad.
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Is the HR-34 really 3 years old? I thought that Genie service is pretty new, like within a year or so?

Maybe it was the HR-21 or HR-22? Can't remember the model number but it was the receiver provided in Dec '09. It did get firmware upgrades and they added on Pandora and YouTube which was really cool.

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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

DirecTV is a strange mix of high end and low end...... They currently have about the worst HD channel lineup (most of the competitors have far more basic HD channels), the best sports lineup, the best premium channel lineup and the worst SD picture quality that I've ever seen. Their DVR is very advanced but slow as Christmas.

If your main reason for switching is picture quality, I think you'll be disappointed. While DirecTV is technically better than Uverse and Dish, you probably won't notice much difference. Unless you're a huge sports fan, I just don't see DirecTV as a big step up from any service. You still have to keep AT&T or Cox for internet, and lose any bundle discounts you may have. Not worth it IMO.

I would agree with you on some of these points....poor SD picture quality but unless you are watching much SD these days, how important is that? The DVR was slow, at least mine was.

Disagree on picture quality, it is a huge difference in a fiber to the node architecture. I have not seen it in a fiber to the home scenario.
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

Wow, am I the only one who reads every word of every post? I didn't even insinuate that BiggAW's post was unfactual. It was BiggAW, in his answer to MOMager, and I quote, "There either was something wrong with your DTV setup, or you're just lying."

When U-verse came to our neighborhood over four years ago, DirecTV dishes (and Dish Network dishes) disappeared off roofs faster than my wife's Christmas cookies disappear off a plate. I live in a realitively new upscale neighborhood and when I look out my front, back and side windows, there is not a satellite dish to be seen anywhere. However, when I pull up the wireless internet connections within range of my house, there are 9 "2-wire" (U-verse) connections, 1 regular AT&T connection, and 1 Comcast connection. U-verse may be the "Walmart" of TV/internet service, but apparently a lot of people shop "there" (U-verse) for their service. By the way, I've never bought a TV or any electronic item from Walmart. My two Samsungs came from Amazon and I purchased my new Sony at HHGregg.

Dumb rich people. We have the same thing here, except that it was with cable. Back in 2005-2011 when Comcast had virtually no HD content, and DirecTV had a lot, very few people got DirecTV, and most of them were clueless about how it worked or why it was so far superior to Comcast's analog garbage (literally 12x the visual data on many channels in '08 when DirecTV rolled out HD bigtime). If they knew what they were doing, they'd be least likely to have U-Verse, as their big TVs show the poor quality of U-Verse's high compression much more so than average Joe's TV.
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Originally Posted by PlanetAVS View Post

I've found that each service's DVR had minor features that i liked/disliked vs other services. Overall I would say it was a "wash". The biggest issue I had with the Direct TV DVR was that performance would slow down (eg. channel changing was slow) as the hard drive would fill up. That particular receiver (HR34 if i recall?) is now over 3 years old so you might want to research if the current receivers have the same issue.

The DVR thing actually kept me on cable, as Windows Media Center is pretty much the king of DVRs, and even DirecTV's, which is the best off the shelf solution, can't even compete with MCE.
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Originally Posted by PlanetAVS View Post

I have not seen it in a fiber to the home scenario.

FTTH would be the same for U-Verse, as there is no whole system running FTTH, only little parts of systems, so they use the same video streams. That, and they artifically cap it to 25mbps, whereas the FTTN U-Verse can get up above 30mbps. Why they cap a system capable of over 600mbps is beyond anyone. Maybe it is so perverse as to downplay how good fiber is in order to make it look less attractive so that customers don't realize what a kludge the FTTN U-Verse system really is. AT&T is continually inventing new kludges like pair bonding to get them out of whatever problem they have generated with the last kludge in order to keep U-Verse running. It's a total mess of a system, and they should just scrap it for GPON fiber. There is only so far that AT&T can go in inventing kludges to cover up kludges before they run right into the limits of what copper can do and the cable companies keep moving forward and leave AT&T in the dust.
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Is the HR-34 really 3 years old? I thought that Genie service is pretty new, like within a year or so?

The Genie is what DTV named the HR34, when it came out NOT even a year ago, & are one & the same. Have NO idea where in the world PlanetAVS got THAT idea of it being that old. eek.gif
As he already stated, I'm SURE he had one of those HR2x dog-ass slow DVR's...which are STILL dog-ass slow to this day. Main reason why I dumped DTV's ass, as they would NOT replace my 2 POS HR20's w/out another 2 year contact.
Sorry, but why should I have to do this - when it was their stupid HD-GUI that hosed them up from day 1. rolleyes.gif

This is EXACTLY one of the main problems with DTV - their "bloatware" software, which they crammed onto EVERY receiver down to the first H/HR2x - which were NEVER, EVER meant to run this crap. But they continue to do it to this very day - if you go over to the 2 satellite boards, there are hundreds of posts every day from frustrated subs, who's even previously fast receivers the likes of the current HR24, have slow considerably lately. It's pretty sad that DISH's old 722k receivers - which are several years older - easily run speed circles around even the current "fast" DTV boxes of now! rolleyes.gif

Speaking of Genie, DTV just showed a new "Genie" receiver at CES; it's an HR44. Only diff between it & the HR34, is a smaller footprint, separate power supply & built in Wi-Fi receiver f/the on-demand crap.
Oh, & a newer "simpler" RF remote that actually is missing buttons from the current white remotes. rolleyes.gif

It has NOT been released for new subs yet, but there is a write-up about it here:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=211822

Chris, since you still seem to be on the fence so much on switching - don't you have any friends that have DTV, that you could go play with it firsthand, & see what you're going to be getting yourself into for the next 2 years. (since you DO know you're going to be on a contract - unless you like paying large ETF's...)
And if you still decide on getting DTV, I would STRONGLY suggest NOT disconnecting your U-verse service, until not only your DTV is up & runing...but that you've had a couple days to play with it. I am not sure how long you have (or if you do at all) to be able to "back out" of DirecTV once the installer leaves your place.

I will tell you one thing I think you may be disappointed in...DTV's HD lineup is NOT as good as U-verse. (actually one of the few things that does impress me about it) Also, they have many SD channels that DirecTV (nor DISH nor Comcast here) carries at all - & at least their SD doesn't look totally like a VHS SLP tape.
While I'm sure some people will say "but I do NOT watch any SD"...what ARE you supposed to do when you have channels you DO like to watch a lot, but DTV IS (& had been) behind on getting in HD??? Pretty sad that common channels like HLN, H2, Cooking, etc. have been on DISH, U-verse AND Comcast here for almost TWO years in some cases...but DTV is JUST now spoon-feeding out to their subs? Pretty sad if you ask me, which was another reason I'm glad I dumped them.

Have you really done a channel-by-channel comparison between both providers, so that you know exactly what you're going to be getting (& loosing) by switching? I do not understand for the life of me, why people don't do this - then bitch & complain about "I didn't know about all the missing channels when I switched from provider X to provider Y".
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BiggAW, they cap the Internet side, not the TV side. Also CATV systems are FTTN, just like UVerse, but with CATV, you are seeing a taking away to give more to the Internet side of things. Yes, with both Fios & catv, you can build your own dvr if you wish. Again, people choose what works for them, not what others want them to use. Right now I am seeing a 8-12meg stream for the game today on Fox. So, again what is wrong with UVerse?
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Originally Posted by PlanetAVS View Post

Jim,

I felt the same way when I initially went for Uverse. Loved the idea of a fiber optic service that was an alternative to cable/satellite and I really wanted to like Uverse for this reason. However the picture quality was such a letdown that I could not stick with it. The final straw was when I had people over and I had Dark Knight on the TV from HBO, and someone asked me if the movie "was playing in HD" frown.gif

You mention that you are in a newer neighborhood, do you know if you have fiber to the home?
We had Comcast before U-verse. When U-verse became available, AT&T laid all new underground cable throughout our subdivision, including our yard. They did not use the existing Comcast buried cable. In fact, they had to tunnel under our driveway so they could route the cable around to the spot where it came into the garage to the "junction box" (or whatever it's called... sorry I don't know the proper acronym). Since our builder had previously pre-wired the house for cable in each room, AT&T did not run any interior wiring.

As for the type of wiring they ran through the yard, I can only assume it was fiber optic cable; however, I did not specifically ask. I know this is a thread specifically about U-verse vs. DirecTV, so I can't say that U-verse is better, but I do know it's a whole lot better than when I had Comcast. I also know that although I can afford a BMW, I've been very happy with the 8 Hondas I've owned since 1980. That's kind of how I feel about U-verse. With all of the dishes missing from rooftops in our area these days, others must feel the same.
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Dumb rich people. We have the same thing here, except that it was with cable. Back in 2005-2011 when Comcast had virtually no HD content, and DirecTV had a lot, very few people got DirecTV, and most of them were clueless about how it worked or why it was so far superior to Comcast's analog garbage (literally 12x the visual data on many channels in '08 when DirecTV rolled out HD bigtime). If they knew what they were doing, they'd be least likely to have U-Verse, as their big TVs show the poor quality of U-Verse's high compression much more so than average Joe's TV.
I keep telling myself that I'm not going to respond to any more of your posts, but then you have to throw in the "dumb rich people" quote (directed at me... by the way, I don't consider myself rich, just a good money manager) on top of the previous "lying" quote. Then I get upset. I do my best in each of my posts not to try to say anything disparaging of a personal nature. It's just sad that others haven't learned how to do that. Ok, have it your way. Those of us who have U-verse and like it are all lying dumba$$es. There, does that make you feel better? I hope so because I realized a long time ago that other than my wife and family, I don't need the BEST of everything to be happy.

Have a great day! smile.gif

P.S. This will be my last post in this thread unless someone asks me a direct question.
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Dumb rich people.

BiggAW, although I totally agree with your assessments of the Uverse pic quality......no need to insult people. Just sayin'......
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

Have NO idea where in the world PlanetAVS got THAT idea of it being that old. eek.gif
As he already stated, I'm SURE he had one of those HR2x dog-ass slow DVR's

DTV's HD lineup is NOT as good as U-verse

As I mentioned in my ORIGINAL post.....I wasn't sure of the model number. I'm sure you're right that it was one of the HR-2x series

That's a matter of opinion who has a better HD lineup......depends on what you are looking for. Both have their Pros and Cons.
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

As for the type of wiring they ran through the yard, I can only assume it was fiber optic cable

Sounds like you have FTTH and if so, and it provides a better picture quality than I received......then more power to you. I would go back to Uverse if I had that available to me.......and if they carried NHL Network and Center Ice packages.
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

The Genie is what DTV named the HR34, when it came out NOT even a year ago, & are one & the same. Have NO idea where in the world PlanetAVS got THAT idea of it being that old. eek.gif
As he already stated, I'm SURE he had one of those HR2x dog-ass slow DVR's...which are STILL dog-ass slow to this day. Main reason why I dumped DTV's ass, as they would NOT replace my 2 POS HR20's w/out another 2 year contact.
Sorry, but why should I have to do this - when it was their stupid HD-GUI that hosed them up from day 1. rolleyes.gif

This is EXACTLY one of the main problems with DTV - their "bloatware" software, which they crammed onto EVERY receiver down to the first H/HR2x - which were NEVER, EVER meant to run this crap. But they continue to do it to this very day - if you go over to the 2 satellite boards, there are hundreds of posts every day from frustrated subs, who's even previously fast receivers the likes of the current HR24, have slow considerably lately. It's pretty sad that DISH's old 722k receivers - which are several years older - easily run speed circles around even the current "fast" DTV boxes of now! rolleyes.gif

Speaking of Genie, DTV just showed a new "Genie" receiver at CES; it's an HR44. Only diff between it & the HR34, is a smaller footprint, separate power supply & built in Wi-Fi receiver f/the on-demand crap.
Oh, & a newer "simpler" RF remote that actually is missing buttons from the current white remotes. rolleyes.gif

It has NOT been released for new subs yet, but there is a write-up about it here:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=211822

Chris, since you still seem to be on the fence so much on switching - don't you have any friends that have DTV, that you could go play with it firsthand, & see what you're going to be getting yourself into for the next 2 years. (since you DO know you're going to be on a contract - unless you like paying large ETF's...)
And if you still decide on getting DTV, I would STRONGLY suggest NOT disconnecting your U-verse service, until not only your DTV is up & runing...but that you've had a couple days to play with it. I am not sure how long you have (or if you do at all) to be able to "back out" of DirecTV once the installer leaves your place.

I will tell you one thing I think you may be disappointed in...DTV's HD lineup is NOT as good as U-verse. (actually one of the few things that does impress me about it) Also, they have many SD channels that DirecTV (nor DISH nor Comcast here) carries at all - & at least their SD doesn't look totally like a VHS SLP tape.
While I'm sure some people will say "but I do NOT watch any SD"...what ARE you supposed to do when you have channels you DO like to watch a lot, but DTV IS (& had been) behind on getting in HD??? Pretty sad that common channels like HLN, H2, Cooking, etc. have been on DISH, U-verse AND Comcast here for almost TWO years in some cases...but DTV is JUST now spoon-feeding out to their subs? Pretty sad if you ask me, which was another reason I'm glad I dumped them.

Have you really done a channel-by-channel comparison between both providers, so that you know exactly what you're going to be getting (& loosing) by switching? I do not understand for the life of me, why people don't do this - then bitch & complain about "I didn't know about all the missing channels when I switched from provider X to provider Y".

Actually I don't have any friends with DTV, that I'm close enough to to go check it out. I wanted to see it in a retail outlet but can't believe they aren't here anymore. I am aware of being tied to a 2-year contract, so I have until the 27th to cancel, which I might actually do today, or push the appointment. I really did want to see it in person first, then when I called I got suckered into going through with the application and sign up. I will not be waiting until the install is out here, its too late by then. I haven't been totally disappointed with AT&T, but like many of you who have been with your service providers for a few years, I think its time for some change. I'm going to call AT&T and see if they will give me a new router/gateway with wireless-N and some new set top boxes/dvr and see if my AT&T experience improves. It may be I'm must wanting to see something new in the menu etc, so DTV had me with all the new Genie and HD menus etc...

So I will probably cancel the DTV for now, try to experience it somewhere in person before I make a real final 2 year commitment. In the mean time I'll try to get some AT&T upgrades and live with it for now.
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I settled for lower quality and I didn't even know it until I switched to DirecTV. I honestly didn't know why everyone was griping about Uverse's quality for all the years I had it. But the price got to the point I was tired of paying it and made the switch. I couldn't believe it. There really is no comparison. DirecTV is *far* superior.
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Originally Posted by bpeacock22 View Post

I settled for lower quality and I didn't even know it until I switched to DirecTV. I honestly didn't know why everyone was griping about Uverse's quality for all the years I had it. But the price got to the point I was tired of paying it and made the switch. I couldn't believe it. There really is no comparison. DirecTV is *far* superior.

So you had UVerse, and switched to DirecTV because of pricing on AT&T? What kind of a TV do you have that you saw the big difference?
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