Amplifier for Revel Salon2 for 10K or less. - Page 7

Originally Posted by BeeMan458 

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If after reading a rational warning regarding overloading one's circuits, one wants to chance burning their home down with an expensive home theater system because they didn't want to spend a thousand dollars to upgrade their electric service, that's on them.
Unless one is willing to indemnify another person, one should not discount warnings.
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Originally Posted by babak147 

This is from a friend/dealer , Ithought it will add to the value of the discussion , I'm removing the name and contact to respect his privacy/identity as I didn't ask his permission to publish this, but it's just another opinion which I respect.
[IHi Babak,
 
I just today came across your $10k Amp thread and find it quite amusing.
 
I feel bad for you being a beginner getting such crazy advices from so many different self styled experts.
 
We spoke some time ago on the phone and you said you would contact me when you were ready to purchase your speakers.  I see you found a great price on a demo pair.  That is GREAT.
 
When it comes to amps, the guys who say there is "no difference" simply don't have enough experience, don't have any listening skills, or don't know how amps interact with different speakers to get certain sonic qualities.
 
Wouldn't it be great if you "DIDN'T" have to turn your speakers up really loud (potentially damaging your hearing) to hear the detail and resolution you want?
 
To be sure, you can use virtually any amp with a lot of power and get pretty good sound, but if you want quality sound with sound staging, imaging, resolution, detail, high quality bass, and all the rest, then you will need to get an amp or amps that will give you what your speakers are capable of producing.
 
If all you want is HT sound then grab an ATI (I am a dealer) and you'll be fine, but you wasted your $$ on REVEL speakers and their potential.
 
If you want to really learn this hobby (not just HT) then feel free to call me again and we can discuss what I would do for you and why.  Reading the responses from most of these guys (even the ones with speakers like yours) is comical since if you look at how they listen, and what they listen to, they really have no idea what they are talking about.][/I]

Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy 

Definitely better safe than sorry.
Are we talking about causing fire while the audio system is playing and overloading ?

Originally Posted by BeeMan458 

As opposed to just sitting there, all pretty and nice, cool to the touch, looking all sweet an innocent?

(j/k)
Folks here are complacent about home theater demands and their electric service. There are far too many house fires because of overloaded circuits. This is a well known homeowner problem and it's not wise to poo-poo or ignore issues of this kind when adding lots of way cool home theater gear, including high watt, outboard Amps.
Back in the 50's, 60's and 70's, houses didn't know what home theater was and in the 70's, rare was the home which had met a home computer. Most homes were built in those days with five, ten and fifteen amp circuits as lvrms, at most, had some 100w incandescent lights coupled with a tubed 25" TV and maybe a low watt, amplified stereo system. It's a different day and age which many houses were not built to safely deal with. Today, with portable heaters/AC units, lights, ceiling fans and home theater systems, quite easily, these appliances can suck 1500w out of the wall. At 15A, which most houses are wired for, if your service is 120v, you're 300w from max. You have more headroom with a 20A circuit. Unbeknownst to most people, wires are intended to heat up. If you're at the end of a long run, stating the obvious, you'll have more resistance and more heat will build up. Not good.
It makes sense to discuss the reality of this well known issue. It makes no common sense to poo-poo the discussing of this issue and discourage the spending of a service charge to have your wiring checked out by a professional.
Let's say, ninety-five out of a hundred times, the professional finds nothing and I'm wrong, what does anyone tell the five out of a hundred who's house burned down whom they discouraged from spending a few bucks to have their house wiring checked out; "Gee, I'm sorry I caused you to burn your house down?"
Old people have little to no tolerance for bad advice and people who feel comfortable giving bad advice. Preventing people from making judgement errors is a good thing. Encouraging people to make bad judgement calls is a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 

As opposed to just sitting there, all pretty and nice, cool to the touch, looking all sweet an innocent?

(j/k)
Folks here are complacent about home theater demands and their electric service. There are far too many house fires because of overloaded circuits. This is a well known homeowner problem and it's not wise to poo-poo or ignore issues of this kind when adding lots of way cool home theater gear, including high watt, outboard Amps.
Back in the 50's, 60's and 70's, houses didn't know what home theater was and in the 70's, rare was the home which had met a home computer. Most homes were built in those days with five, ten and fifteen amp circuits as lvrms, at most, had some 100w incandescent lights coupled with a tubed 25" TV and maybe a low watt, amplified stereo system. It's a different day and age which many houses were not built to safely deal with. Today, with portable heaters/AC units, lights, ceiling fans and home theater systems, quite easily, these appliances can suck 1500w out of the wall. At 15A, which most houses are wired for, if your service is 120v, you're 300w from max. You have more headroom with a 20A circuit. Unbeknownst to most people, wires are intended to heat up. If you're at the end of a long run, stating the obvious, you'll have more resistance and more heat will build up. Not good.
It makes sense to discuss the reality of this well known issue. It makes no common sense to poo-poo the discussing of this issue and discourage the spending of a service charge to have your wiring checked out by a professional.
Let's say, ninety-five out of a hundred times, the professional finds nothing and I'm wrong, what does anyone tell the five out of a hundred who's house burned down whom they discouraged the spending of a few bucks to have their house wiring checked out; "Gee, I'm sorry I caused you to burn your house down?"
Old people have little to no tolerance for bad advice and people who feel comfortable giving bad advice. Experience dictates that well we shouldn't. Preventing people from making judgement errors is a good thing. Encouraging people to make bad judgement calls is a bad thing. Making fun of people is jerk behavior, we all know it and we all teach our children to be better then that.
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Originally Posted by babak147 

I just today came across your $10k Amp thread and find it quite amusing.....
 
I feel bad for you being a beginner getting such crazy advices from so many different self styled experts....

is comical since if you look at how they listen, and what they listen to, they really have no idea what they are talking about.][/I]

Originally Posted by Jinjuku 

He doesn't need to spend $10K or anywhere near that to get the Revels sounding great.

Originally Posted by MKtheater 

I agree except most are saying that the HT would not be the cause of said fire, usually a normal house appliance would do it. How many people have HT's anyways? If they do the majority are HTIB systems which don't draw any current to matter. The nut cases(us) who have major HT's put time into the everything, including the wiring.

Originally Posted by BeeMan458 

Two points, I've over and over and over again, made the point, when the addition of high watt, outboard Amps and second, not according to comments left here. The vocal naysayers here have made it very clear, they actively discourage having wiring inspected as they actively post the discouragement by others, from doing the same. When adding high powered outboard Amps, the continued discouragement of having, one's electrical system inspected, is flat out immoral as doing so gives one a false sense of security.
As long as I can, while challenged on this subject, because it's a reasonable expectation, I will continue to defend the position that if adding high powered, outboard Amps to a home theater system, then one should at minimum, hire a certified electrician to have their home wiring/service panel certified to be adequate for home theater use. On the part of others, to say otherwise, is flat out wrong; bad advice.
The comment was to simply give the OP a heads-up warning as folks here have taken the comment totally off topic.
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Originally Posted by EnjoyingMyRide 

The OP has purchased an awesome pair of speakers. The pursuit for amplification of said speakers is one I'd love to be standing at the trail head, ready for whatever lay ahead. I, would not let my currant electrical situation stand in my way. Your (In my mind, any) system may require amperage than can be safely supplied. I would safely & to code make sure my system had what it needed when I plugged a piece in. If you need to add a 20 amp circuit or more I would do it, also consider future needs. I am in no way talking about surge and or conditioning, $150 outlets, after market PC, . . ., as Chris said just don't use the ultra cheap $1 outlets. Put your feet up & enjoy your system knowing your electrical needs will not be a problem. Enjoy your path finding amp(s) that you like.

Originally Posted by BeeMan458 


Two points, I've over and over and over again, made the point, when the addition of high watt, outboard Amps and second, not according to comments left here. The vocal naysayers here have made it very clear, they actively discourage having wiring inspected as they actively post the discouragement by others, from doing the same. When adding high powered outboard Amps, the continued discouragement of having, one's electrical system inspected, is flat out immoral as doing so gives one a false sense of security.

As long as I can, while challenged on this subject, because it's a reasonable expectation, I will continue to defend the position that if adding high powered, outboard Amps to a home theater system, then one should at minimum, hire a certified electrician to have their home wiring/service panel certified to be adequate for home theater use. On the part of others, to say otherwise, is flat out wrong; bad advice.

The comment was to simply give the OP a heads-up warning as folks here have taken the comment totally off topic.

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Originally Posted by babak147 

No Carpets , I hate carpets , May be a rug of some kind but no carpets , I dont care how compromised the sound is going to be , lol.

Originally Posted by babak147 

My room.
Dimensions 21X26 ft.

Originally Posted by babak147 

No Carpets , I hate carpets , May be a rug of some kind but no carpets , I dont care how compromised the sound is going to be , lol.

Originally Posted by babak147 

No Carpets , I hate carpets , May be a rug of some kind but no carpets , I dont care how compromised the sound is going to be , lol.