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post #31 of 126
The movie was NOT a remake of Rami's.

Rami's was an adaptation of a comic book series. Webb's was another adaptation of the same comic series (with lots of things actually more faithful to the comics). Both are good (with the exception of Spider-Man 3).

Actually, I'd say The Amazing Spider-Man was great. Really looking forward to the blu-ray next month.
post #32 of 126
I really enjoyed the first two Raimi Spidermans. The only two things I didn't care for was the organic web shooters and the poorly done Green Goblin arc but otherwise, I thought especially the 2nd film did a great job capturing the overall spirit of the comic and character. I come from reading the comic during the 60's and 70's so the Lee/Ditko/Romita/Kane era is my connection with the character. I'm keeping an open mind about the reboot (missed it in theaters) but I was very turned off by the "new" design for The Lizard and the overdone new Spiderman costume.
post #33 of 126
OK, so I watched this one last night on 2D Blu-ray.

First, let me mention the A/V quality - as typical for a new theatrical release, it looks and sounds very good. Because the photography is often quite dark, there's a good amount of black crush in many night scenes. I imagine the 3D disc would look even murkier in such scenes. The surrounds get a good workout, plenty of rear speaker action.

There is one significant issue I found with this disc - during loading, the little postage stamp sized animated "webshooter" icon freezes on screen through all the previews right up to the main menu loading. This effect happened on two different Panasonic BR players, both with current firmware upgrades. Basically, all the previews have this icon plastered dead center onscreen through all promos and FBI warnings which I thought was kinda funny. Obviously a encoding glitch.

Overall, the movie actually fell below my expectations. The darker, moodier tone (and photography) just doesn't work as well as the tone set with the 3 Sam Raimi films which this is always going to be compared against. Even Spiderman's costume is a darker, almost brownish red. Spiderman is *not* The Dark Knight. The score is not comes nowhere near the same level as Danny Elfman's scores for the first 2 movies.

Don't get me wrong, there's some stuff that this film gets right - Peter/Spiderman actually makes believable mechanical webshooters, the POV scenes of Spiderman swinging high above the city, the way he moves more like a spider, the budding relationship with Gwen... all good stuff. But there's just a lot of things about this movie that don't work for me - the whole revamped origin w/Peter's mysterious father especially. For me, the movie didn't really engage me at all until the pivotal first scene showing Spiderman standing against the skyline. The Lizard character... came off better than I expected, even with the more "human" looking face than the comics version. IMO, one of this movie's biggest issues is the casting - with the sole exceptions of Gwen (who despite doing a good job in her role, looks far too old to be "17") and Uncle Ben (Sheen looked like he was recycling his JFK teeth), the rest of the cast falls far short of their Raimi film counterparts. Sally Field as Aunt May is a complete fail. Tellingly, there isn't even a JJ Jameson character, likely because J. K. Simmons left such an indelible impression in the role.

Overall, it's an entertaining movie, certainly not a complete flop, but it fails as a reboot on every level in much the same way the "Superman Returns" film did.
post #34 of 126
^ Thanks.
post #35 of 126
Thread Starter 
I flicked thru the 3d earlier, looked just like the cinema version to me odd looking red style colour included
post #36 of 126
Thanks for that partyslammer I've heard ( from friends ) that its not the best. Still will be looking forward to watch it this Wednesday night.
post #37 of 126
Thread Starter 
I think its divisive, I love Rami but Amazing is by far the better film
post #38 of 126
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

*snip*

Yeah I agree with you on this. Although I have to say I've never cared for the mechanical nature of his web shooters. It seems too forced. Plus if they were really wanting to be accurate he'd have them coming from the other end. tongue.gif All in all though I liked the first Raimi movie better. It felt closer to the comic. It had its cheese moments but then again so did the comic. I just couldn't get over the casting of Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker. I kept expecting Jesse Eisenberg to show up half way through. All sarcasm aside I just wasn't feeling him as Peter Parker. Tobey Maguire did a better job although even he was a bit too nerdy for the part.

On a slightly related note I heard the only reason Sony even did this movie was to keep the rights to the character. I would have liked to see a Spidey cameo in one of the other Marvel movies but I can't see that happening with Sony owning the film rights.
post #39 of 126
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Tobey and Kristin just cannot hold a candle to Andrew or Emma in the acting stakes

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post #40 of 126
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Tobey and Kristin just cannot hold a candle to Andrew or Emma in the acting stakes
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Heh, hard to argue just going by that well-chosen GIF. Still, I enjoyed Maguire far more in the role than Garfield.
post #41 of 126
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

On a slightly related note I heard the only reason Sony even did this movie was to keep the rights to the character. I would have liked to see a Spidey cameo in one of the other Marvel movies but I can't see that happening with Sony owning the film rights.

I'm not sure it was the only reason, but that's why the reboot came so early.
post #42 of 126
Im hoping to watch mine tomorrow night and if its good will buy.
post #43 of 126
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

Heh, hard to argue just going by that well-chosen GIF. Still, I enjoyed Maguire far more in the role than Garfield.

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/here's+a+photoset+of+tobey+maguire+crying
post #44 of 126
I know you guys are making fun of Tobey's face when he's crying, but next time you burst into tears over something (for me it's months on end of not crying), look in front of a mirror while doing it, or record yourself. Your face will do some weird things, that I can guarantee you.
post #45 of 126
Thread Starter 
Its more his acting than his crying, look at his non Spiderman career
post #46 of 126
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look at his non Spiderman career
Still searching... Nope. Not much there.
post #47 of 126
Watched it last night, fantastic will be definitely adding to my collection.
post #48 of 126
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Watched it last night, fantastic will be definitely adding to my collection.

Good A/V Franin?

Thanks!
post #49 of 126
Thread Starter 
Its a great looking disc, bar the odd red colour pallet however
post #50 of 126
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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

On a slightly related note I heard the only reason Sony even did this movie was to keep the rights to the character. I would have liked to see a Spidey cameo in one of the other Marvel movies but I can't see that happening with Sony owning the film rights.

The Oscorp-building was almost included in the skyline in The Avengers. So who knows.
post #51 of 126
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Good A/V Franin?
Thanks!

It wasnt bad Todd I didnt mind it.
post #52 of 126
Just got through part of the 3D version tonight. I watched the 2D version last night and, as much as I really like 3D, the 2D version is by far the best way to view this movie. I took off my 3D glasses at one point and I could have just as easily watched the movie without them. Very little sense of depth from what I found. There were a few scenes that were decent, but definitely not worth giving up the extra brightness. Still, if you have a 3D set you may as well fork out the few extra dollars. What pissed me off is that Future Shop only offered the steelbook version in 2D, not 3D. I got the same size cover as the steelbook, but in plastic. Sucks. As far as PQ/AQ is concerned, It's pretty damned good. I actually thought the video was better than the audio. There were definitely some reference video scenes (close up of spidey suit is fantastic). Anyhoo, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie despite its flaws and am glad it's part of my collection.
post #53 of 126
My Best Buy steelbook arrived today. It was shipped in a white plastic envelope that offered no protection. The corners of the case had ripped through the plastic bag and the paint was scraped off the case. The back cardboard insert is torn. One corner is dented. This is no surprise to me considering it was shipped via UPS. Amazon at least uses the envelopes that have the bubble wrap stuff on the inside. What moron at Best Buy considers these plastic envelopes are proper packaging for an UPS shipment? Had I known this I would have selected ship to store, not delivery. My silver status gives me free delivery so I thought cool, I can save on gas by not having to go down there to pick it up. Now I have to make the trip anyway to exchange it (I hope). If this was just a regular blu-ray and the corner had become scratched it would have been no big deal... but I paid for a collector's steelbook. I expected to get something in great shape, not scraped up, torn, and dented.

I guess I'll get a chance to watch this over the weekend. I need to get to They Live to see how badly I was screwed out of $20 buy Shout Factory and Universal. *sigh*
post #54 of 126
I watched this tonight. I much prefer this over any of the Raimi movies. I mean, the first 2 were ok, but the third was terrible, and I really never liked maguire or dunst. I hated everything about the Willem Dafoe interpretation of the green goblin as well. Those movies have not aged well imho. I think this new movie would be even better if the other movies never existed, as this one does have a been there, done that feel to it that was seemingly impossible to avoid. I didn't love the lizard design, but its hard to really convert a design like in the comics to live action so I will give it a pass. I look forward to the next installment, though I am not thrilled with the jamie fox electro casting that was recently announced. He's a good actor, but just not what I think of when I think of electro. Though electro is not exactly my favorite villain to begin with. I would like to see them take a shot at another venom story. I know Venom is not a classic spiderman villain circa the 1960's and 70's, but its what I grew up reading and I feel he is one of the few villains created later in the series that holds a candle to the early villains. Just don't use Topher as Venom!!! I don;t mind him, but not for that role. He would have made an ok Peter Parker for that matter. Those movies were just poorly cast in general, I mean just more and more awful the more i think about it. Alfred Molina (and maybe Jonah jameson's casting) was perfect as dr Octopus though. Maybe thats why 2 is the only one I think I could stand to watch again. Anyways, just my thoughts and I am sure others will disagree. Thats what makes these forums interesting anyways, right?
post #55 of 126
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

OK, so I watched this one last night on 2D Blu-ray.
First, let me mention the A/V quality - as typical for a new theatrical release, it looks and sounds very good. Because the photography is often quite dark, there's a good amount of black crush in many night scenes. I imagine the 3D disc would look even murkier in such scenes. The surrounds get a good workout, plenty of rear speaker action.
There is one significant issue I found with this disc - during loading, the little postage stamp sized animated "webshooter" icon freezes on screen through all the previews right up to the main menu loading. This effect happened on two different Panasonic BR players, both with current firmware upgrades. Basically, all the previews have this icon plastered dead center onscreen through all promos and FBI warnings which I thought was kinda funny. Obviously a encoding glitch.
Overall, the movie actually fell below my expectations. The darker, moodier tone (and photography) just doesn't work as well as the tone set with the 3 Sam Raimi films which this is always going to be compared against. Even Spiderman's costume is a darker, almost brownish red. Spiderman is *not* The Dark Knight. The score is not comes nowhere near the same level as Danny Elfman's scores for the first 2 movies.
Don't get me wrong, there's some stuff that this film gets right - Peter/Spiderman actually makes believable mechanical webshooters, the POV scenes of Spiderman swinging high above the city, the way he moves more like a spider, the budding relationship with Gwen... all good stuff. But there's just a lot of things about this movie that don't work for me - the whole revamped origin w/Peter's mysterious father especially. For me, the movie didn't really engage me at all until the pivotal first scene showing Spiderman standing against the skyline. The Lizard character... came off better than I expected, even with the more "human" looking face than the comics version. IMO, one of this movie's biggest issues is the casting - with the sole exceptions of Gwen (who despite doing a good job in her role, looks far too old to be "17") and Uncle Ben (Sheen looked like he was recycling his JFK teeth), the rest of the cast falls far short of their Raimi film counterparts. Sally Field as Aunt May is a complete fail. Tellingly, there isn't even a JJ Jameson character, likely because J. K. Simmons left such an indelible impression in the role.
Overall, it's an entertaining movie, certainly not a complete flop, but it fails as a reboot on every level in much the same way the "Superman Returns" film did.

Pretty much agree with your review. Never saw this movie in the theater so it was a blind buy. Seemed like an alternate universe Spiderman. The angst went on for too long. The score seemed very retro - like 80's schlock, Krull came to mind. It has its humorous moments and in the end I guess it's okay...nothing special. I have all of the Raimi Spiderman movies but never watch them so for me I think this character has pretty much hit the wall. Someone mentioned regretting Spiderman wasn't in the Avengers. Thinking back on that movie I can't imagine how he would have helped much.
post #56 of 126
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Someone mentioned regretting Spiderman wasn't in the Avengers. Thinking back on that movie I can't imagine how he would have helped much.

Well, they did manage to make Hawkeye and Black Widow who are glorified "regular folk" somewhat interesting and involved in the team so I don't think it would have been much of a stretch to incorporate Spiderman. Although I agree that Spiderman would be as much a good fit in The Avengers as he would be (or has been) in The Fantastic Four.
post #57 of 126
2D disc was WAY weak on the bass. Very disappointed. Decent sound fields and surrounds....but overall an audio disappointment for a summer tentpole movie. frown.gif
post #58 of 126
To Raimi's defense, Jonah Jameson was spot on and should be in all the new Spiderman movies as well. Above poster is correct in that the bass sucked it big time. I have three subs and they didn't even get to come out and play for this movie.
post #59 of 126
I'm glad they didn't recast J. Jonah Jameson. I'd rather not see the Daily Bugle than see it without J.K. Simmons.
post #60 of 126

amazing spiderman 3d steelbook playback issue?

Hi guys, I'm wondering if anyone has had playback issues with Spiderman? To get a base.... I'm using an Epson 3010, a ps3 slim, redmere HDMI from Monoprice, and a denon avr1613. Lastly, the hdmi. Cables to the Epson and my non 3d LCD TV are split by a Monoprice 3d, powered, splitter. Every 3d movie and game I've played thus far has played flawlessly. Amazing Spiderman stopped playing, but I continued hearing audio. I had to reboot the ps3 to get it going again.. when I shut down the ps3, I got that "three beeps" error shutdown...

Could I just have a bad disc? I thought maybe the ps3 was crapping out so i tried Prometheus 3d, Rio 3d, and they play with no error... its just Spiderman ...
Odd that a Sony movie is not playing well with a Sony ps3
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