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post #61 of 126
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Originally Posted by Favelle View Post

2D disc was WAY weak on the bass. Very disappointed. Decent sound fields and surrounds....but overall an audio disappointment for a summer tentpole movie. frown.gif
Agreed on the audio, it felt like a rush job for a major superhero action film. I think the hints of a great movie are somewhere to be found in the Amazing Spider-Man, but much of the plot is glossed over or crammed in without much explanation. The first act should have simply been cut out of the movie, there is virtually no moviegoer over the age of 10 in the US that is not familiar with Peter Parker's origin by now, but I guess it was included for foreign markets. Uncle Ben's death, the most pivotal moment in Spider-Man's career, lacks emotional punch and deviates from the iconic version of the story for no good reason. Everything about the production felt rushed to me except the blossoming relationship between Peter and Gwen. I did think the CGI for the Lizard was better than anything we saw in the first trilogy, though I was disappointed by the motion of Spidey's webslinging. I imagined a much more epic tour of New York City than the limited shots we got at night.

I am only going to recommend tier 1.5 for the 2D Blu-ray version in the AVS Picture Quality Tiers. There is a ton of digital grading and the color correction practically changes from scene to scene. The warmer reds of the early moments give way to more and more orange later in the movie. Most reviewers won't notice it, but select scenes have clearly been low-pass filtered. It is most noticeable in the scenes with Martin Sheen (whom I thought was an awful Uncle Ben) or Sally Field. You can count the number of tight close-ups from the movie on one hand.
post #62 of 126
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Agreed on the audio, it felt like a rush job for a major superhero action film. I think the hints of a great movie are somewhere to be found in the Amazing Spider-Man, but much of the plot is glossed over or crammed in without much explanation. The first act should have simply been cut out of the movie, there is virtually no moviegoer over the age of 10 in the US that is not familiar with Peter Parker's origin by now, but I guess it was included for foreign markets. Uncle Ben's death, the most pivotal moment in Spider-Man's career, lacks emotional punch and deviates from the iconic version of the story for no good reason. Everything about the production felt rushed to me except the blossoming relationship between Peter and Gwen. I did think the CGI for the Lizard was better than anything we saw in the first trilogy, though I was disappointed by the motion of Spidey's webslinging. I imagined a much more epic tour of New York City than the limited shots we got at night.
I am only going to recommend tier 1.5 for the 2D Blu-ray version in the AVS Picture Quality Tiers. There is a ton of digital grading and the color correction practically changes from scene to scene. The warmer reds of the early moments give way to more and more orange later in the movie. Most reviewers won't notice it, but select scenes have clearly been low-pass filtered. It is most noticeable in the scenes with Martin Sheen (whom I thought was an awful Uncle Ben) or Sally Field. You can count the number of tight close-ups from the movie on one hand.

The audio, while not a stand out just destroyed the Dark Knight Rises cinema mix.
If not for Prometheus, Avengers and Skyfall this year would have been a damp squib for audio
post #63 of 126
Don't know what kind of setups everyone has but I thought the bass was phenomenal. Not over cooked and well done with lots of Ulf. Lfe. Well down. One of the best sound mixes I've heard in a while
post #64 of 126
I have three sonosubs hooked up in parallel. Not a workout for them in this movie. However, I watched Inception last night and the bass was scary - the first kick scene with Dicaprio going into the water. Wow.
post #65 of 126
As a bit of a comic nerd, I'd put this above Spiderman 3 and below Spiderman. What I liked-

Emma Stone... wow.
The Lizard design
I thought the way that Garfield had Spidey movements down was very good... lots of very unique body language that befits the character.
It looked nice... Oscorp was very futuristic and such
Some ok surround stuff

What I didn't like-

Garfield as Peter... not much nerdiness there. My wife thought he was better looking than Flash, which in the comics would have never happened.
Denis Leary... yawn. Cardboard character that was just there to move the plot and give a convenient excuse for the romantic "cliffhanger"
The costume was a bit overdone
The story in general... no one stops Peter at Oscorp from walking around and going into top secret labs? Ben is shot and NO ONE IN NEW YORK is around to help and/or gawk? The Lizard set a lab up in the sewers? The cops that are turned into lizards are just hanging out offscreen until they get cured? And those are just the big ones... oh yeah and Captain Stacy lives in that apt in New York with four kids? On a police salary?
Where's the bass?

So yeah I wasn't real into it... but with a better writer I think the sequel could end up as a decent product. Bottom line is that Disney should just pony up the cash to buy whatever rights they need and get Spidey in the proper Marvel universe where he belongs.
post #66 of 126
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Agreed on the audio, it felt like a rush job for a major superhero action film. I think the hints of a great movie are somewhere to be found in the Amazing Spider-Man, but much of the plot is glossed over or crammed in without much explanation. The first act should have simply been cut out of the movie, there is virtually no moviegoer over the age of 10 in the US that is not familiar with Peter Parker's origin by now, but I guess it was included for foreign markets. Uncle Ben's death, the most pivotal moment in Spider-Man's career, lacks emotional punch and deviates from the iconic version of the story for no good reason. Everything about the production felt rushed to me except the blossoming relationship between Peter and Gwen. I did think the CGI for the Lizard was better than anything we saw in the first trilogy, though I was disappointed by the motion of Spidey's webslinging. I imagined a much more epic tour of New York City than the limited shots we got at night.
I am only going to recommend tier 1.5 for the 2D Blu-ray version in the AVS Picture Quality Tiers. There is a ton of digital grading and the color correction practically changes from scene to scene. The warmer reds of the early moments give way to more and more orange later in the movie. Most reviewers won't notice it, but select scenes have clearly been low-pass filtered. It is most noticeable in the scenes with Martin Sheen (whom I thought was an awful Uncle Ben) or Sally Field. You can count the number of tight close-ups from the movie on one hand.

I agree with everything here 100%. Rush job in every way imaginable.


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Originally Posted by laeriq View Post

Some ok surround stuff
What I didn't like-
Garfield as Peter... not much nerdiness there. My wife thought he was better looking than Flash, which in the comics would have never happened.
Denis Leary... yawn. Cardboard character that was just there to move the plot and give a convenient excuse for the romantic "cliffhanger"
The costume was a bit overdone
The story in general... no one stops Peter at Oscorp from walking around and going into top secret labs? Ben is shot and NO ONE IN NEW YORK is around to help and/or gawk? The Lizard set a lab up in the sewers? The cops that are turned into lizards are just hanging out offscreen until they get cured? And those are just the big ones... oh yeah and Captain Stacy lives in that apt in New York with four kids? On a police salary?
Where's the bass?
So yeah I wasn't real into it... but with a better writer I think the sequel could end up as a decent product. Bottom line is that Disney should just pony up the cash to buy whatever rights they need and get Spidey in the proper Marvel universe where he belongs.
post #67 of 126
I know this has become an " I don't like the plot" thread but, does anyone have the 3d version working? What player? It didn't work for my ps3 slim, so I bought a Panasonic 320, that p.o.s. didn't play any 3d movies correctly... today i picked up a Samsung 5900. Its destroys my ps3 in terms if video and audio quality, it plays all my movies 3&2d, except spiderman..
It gets to the menu, but once I hit enter to play.. it just stays frozen...
I updated firmware today...
post #68 of 126
Samsung BD D6700 - flawless. HDMI can be a pisser sometimes. Turn your projector/TV on first, then your player, then your receiver and see if that works. FWIW, I thought the 3D sucked in this movie although I thoroughly enjoyed the movie itself and thought Garfield was great in it. I never saw Spidey as nerdy, so he fits just fine for me.
post #69 of 126
I've heard that the 3d isn't very good in spiderman, buts its irritating that I bought the nice steel book case with the 3d version and we can't watch it. It does have the 2d so.. . If it won't happen, we'll at least have that. Thanks for your suggestion, I'll try that
post #70 of 126
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Originally Posted by neveser View Post

What moron at Best Buy

Most any Best Buy employee could have fit that description. While I certainly can not speak directly about back room employees, their floor/sales people are massively uninformed.
post #71 of 126
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Originally Posted by HighdefJoe View Post

I know this has become an " I don't like the plot" thread but, does anyone have the 3d version working? What player? It didn't work for my ps3 slim, so I bought a Panasonic 320, that p.o.s. didn't play any 3d movies correctly... today i picked up a Samsung 5900. Its destroys my ps3 in terms if video and audio quality, it plays all my movies 3&2d, except spiderman..
It gets to the menu, but once I hit enter to play.. it just stays frozen...
I updated firmware today...

Buy a new Oppo or see if you can find a used Oppo 83. I have had one since they first came out and have never not been able to play any DVD or Bluray. For example, see http://app.audiogon.com/listings/video-oppo-bdp-83-great-condition-2012-11-10-home-theater-33143-south-miami-fl (and no, that's not me)
post #72 of 126
Highdefjoe - You may have a crappy copy of Spiderman, who knows? Take it back and get them to test it in one of their systems. If you simply want a replacement, they will know you're not jacking them around. My 0.02.
post #73 of 126
Watched this... Another crappy super hero movie that is trite and predictable with poor effects. 1 in 10 Superhero movies are even watchable these days. And why an almost 2.5 hour running time - way to long for this type of film? That made it even worse. I feel I have to be 12 again to enjoy these flicks so I can suspend the same old tired storyline. Shame on me for taking a chance and renting this.

Audio was so, so with lacking deep bass. Video was average at best. It seems when the studio knows the movie is bad, the the audio and video are taken down a notch.

Pure crap.
post #74 of 126

Lacking "Deep" bass?

 

Not according to the bass-heads in the Subwoofer section, it's got plenty of low extension Well below 20Hz (and rated a 5/5 by many for Bass).

So if LFE seemed lacking to anyone, they simply don't have a sub(s) that are capable of extending deep enough (ULF) to "feel" it.

 

When you hit 20Hz and lower with several subs capable of  (ULF) ultra low frequencies with enough amplitude to pressurize the entire room

.....the frequencies are not audible to your ear, it's at a level that can only be felt.

 

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/6000

 

Chapter 12

 

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Chapter 16

 

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If anything it may be lacking Bass in the frequency ranges that most average home audio systems are capable of reaching (over 30Hz)

Everything Under 30Hz ROCKS (literally!)


Edited by PioManiac - 11/16/12 at 6:46am
post #75 of 126
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Watched this... Another crappy super hero movie that is trite and predictable with poor effects. 1 in 10 Superhero movies are even watchable these days. And why an almost 2.5 hour running time - way to long for this type of film? That made it even worse. I feel I have to be 12 again to enjoy these flicks so I can suspend the same old tired storyline. Shame on me for taking a chance and renting this.
Audio was so, so with lacking deep bass. Video was average at best. It seems when the studio knows the movie is bad, the the audio and video are taken down a notch.
Pure crap.

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This movie has single digit ULF material at many various places in the film. One of the better deep bass films lately. I watched last night and it was giving my Buttkickers fits with some bottoming out here and there which only happens with ULF content. Have you seen the graphs in the bass thread? This track digs as deep as any, and like I mentioned well into the single digits. The amplitude is about average though, so maybe try running your subs a bit hotter next watch since the actual ULF is definitely there. Subjectively, I thought the bass and overall sound were fantastic.

I also thought he PQ was excellent.

The movie itself.......not sure how I felt about it. Some things worked and some not.

Edit: Just noticed PioManiac linked a few of the graphs. I dont think DEEP bass is a problem in this one. wink.gif A better argument might be that mid bass is not as prominent as it should be in spots since some of these moments in the film seem to be all low bass, but I did not really find that a problem either subjectively and thought the bass track was done very well.
Edited by Toe - 11/16/12 at 7:39am
post #76 of 126
My subs can reach. I have each supplied with 2.5 KW of power and measured down to 8 Hz (Mark Seaton personally installed them and measured). If it was there, it was quite transient... nothing sustained. I have Butt kickers as well. Now, if I throw in War of the Worlds, now that gets my attention. Not so much on this Spiderman.
post #77 of 126
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War of the worlds, the destroyer of subs
post #78 of 126
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

War of the worlds, the destroyer of subs

That's what I'm saying! No destroyer in Spiderman despite the plots! Thanks!
post #79 of 126
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

My subs can reach. I have each supplied with 2.5 KW of power and measured down to 8 Hz (Mark Seaton personally installed them and measured). If it was there, it was quite transient... nothing sustained. I have Butt kickers as well. Now, if I throw in War of the Worlds, now that gets my attention. Not so much on this Spiderman.

I know your system is very capable and that is why I am surprised by your comments since the extension is definitely there in this track. I agree it is not WOTW, but still a great LFE track with a lot of ULFs. I assume you watched at your normal volume level?
post #80 of 126
Great! Yeah, I'm surprised, too.

Perhaps the scenes with the big bass were short in length or if more, higher bass frequncies were assiciated with the ULF scenes, i might've been more subjectively impressed.

I watched at -5 from reference which is only 2-3 db quieter than usual. War of the Worlds is a hotter mix but I can't say why I wasn't impressed more with Spider-Man. .

Thanks!
Edited by thebland - 11/16/12 at 1:32pm
post #81 of 126
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

My subs can reach.Now, if I throw in War of the Worlds, now that gets my attention. Not so much on this Spiderman.

I was surprised at how much bass was in this movie for such a teeny bopper flic. But compared to WOTW, no comparison, in my room. WOTW is downright violent, and my seating seems to almost twist and shudder compared to, mostly, basic vibrating that I had in Spidey. A couple of good pops in Spidey though.
post #82 of 126
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

I was surprised at how much bass was in this movie for such a teeny bopper flic. But compared to WOTW, no comparison, in my room. WOTW is downright violent, and my seating seems to almost twist and shudder compared to, mostly, basic vibrating that I had in Spidey. A couple of good pops in Spidey though.

I think you described my orinal complaint and comparison to WOTW better than I did. That is exactly it.

I hold WOTW as a the reference for abusive, powerful low end bass. This one just didn't do much for me.smile.gif
post #83 of 126

sure WOTW is better,

 

But honestly, do really feel the LFE levels of a MASSIVE alien assault by Huge Skyscraper sized Tri-Pods

"should" match a 140 pound kid swinging around in a spandex suit?

 

Certainly not, heck it should even come up substantially short compared to other super hero flicks like the Avengers/Ironman/Hulk...etc.

The audio was well matched to what was shown on screen (IMHO) and had a couple deep dips, like most flicks.

 

For EPIC bass that rattles the room, I think just about everyone would rather demo WOTW

 

...or Wrath of the Titans, I just watched that one last night...the entire movie was a rumble fest throughout, not just a few select scenes.

The larger than life images were perfectly matched to an amazing LFE/ULF track.

post #84 of 126
This was mostly a huge waste of time and money.

The only, and I mean, only shining moment in this poorly conceived reboot was Emma Stone. Much, much better than Kirsten Dunst in the acting department. Stone has spunk!

The plot was off, the pacing was all over the place, and the origin arc of Spider-man was handled a lot better in Sam Raimi's version. There seemed to be little motivation for the characters to act the way they did.

There were times when I actually felt as if Spidey 3 was actually better than this film, even with the short-shrift way they handled Venom.

J.K. Simmons' Jonah Jameson in the Raimi trilogy was faaaaaar superior to the extremely blah Denis Leary. Simmons was a riot and Leary seemed bored to death! The writers of TAS-M should have allowed Leary to be Leary. As is, the character could have been played by just about anyone.

Glad I didn't blind buy it.
post #85 of 126
[quote name="Dan Hitchman" url="/t/1424720/the-amazing-spider-man/60#post_22616043"There were times when I actually felt as if Spidey 3 was actually better than this film, even with the short-shrift way they handled Venom.[/quote]
Methinks your hyperbole goes a bit too far.
post #86 of 126
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Stuff
This, is why we can't have nice things.
post #87 of 126
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

J.K. Simmons' Jonah Jameson in the Raimi trilogy was faaaaaar superior to the extremely blah Denis Leary. Simmons was a riot and Leary seemed bored to death! The writers of TAS-M should have allowed Leary to be Leary. As is, the character could have been played by just about anyone.
Glad I didn't blind buy it.


No Jameson was one of the primary reasons I skipped this in theaters.
post #88 of 126
JJJ could show up in the sequel. Providing there'll be one. I rather enjoyed this; too bad it was a reboot, though.
post #89 of 126
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

JJJ could show up in the sequel. Providing there'll be one. I rather enjoyed this; too bad it was a reboot, though.

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/the-amazing-spider-man-2-tests-four-actors-for-harry/291267
post #90 of 126
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

JJJ could show up in the sequel. Providing there'll be one. I rather enjoyed this; too bad it was a reboot, though.
As much as I like Raimi, he made enough of a mess out of Spider-Man 3 that I don't know how it could have been anything other than a reboot - and as loudly as some have complained about it being a reboot, I think audiences in general would have been even more pissed off if it had been a continuation of that continuity with every single role being filled by a new actor or actress. It would have been quite off-putting.

The only real shame, IMO, is that it had to be rushed out as it was to retain the license. Waiting another year or so before releasing an improved version of Amazing would have left everyone a lot happier, IMO. Garfield and Stone were both fantastic, and clearly superior to Maguire and Dunst. Of course, who knows, if it hadn't been for the ticking clock of the license, Spider-Man 3 could have been a different movie if they'd been given enough time to actually write a script for it.

I hope they do bring back J. Jonah Jameson in the sequel, and if they do, there's only one man for the job.
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