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post #61 of 1188
very informative last few posts,While i know very little about 3d since i never read about it and have little interest in it,I do have a good bit of understanding of the rest of the display. I didnt realize the other manufactures were using bluetooth glasses also,I just thought it was strange that mits uses xpand glasses and they need a add on to get them to work with their products...that doesnt make much sense to me. but i suppose they dont make them so universal is to be expected. I have a feeling I wont be watching much 3d but since it comes in this model its a bonus to me.What are the best performing glasses to use with this tv without getting too pricey..

I continue to be impressed by its 1080p blueray display but still getting use to its network tv performance,I use a hr34 with dtv,it does 1080p for some content as well,I dont use it on any sd channels,I excluded them all...sd channels are pretty much out of the question for me on a large tv. while the mits seems to be a nice tv,it doesnt stack up to my older sammy 67 dlp,the mits is built way more flimsy,the remote and the onscreen menu look like something from 1987 that jvc made.kinda pathetic for a 2012 tv. PQ is about the same as the sammy though so thats good. other features are way nicer on the sammy,I wish they would of stayed in the dlp market,they would be really sweet by now. The 67 im replacing is 7 yrs old and never had a issue,its way over 10k hours and still on its original bulb and is not dim at all. we will see how the mits fairs long term if i keep it.
Im using natural setting with contrast at 53 an brightness at 43 color at 54 using high color temp..this is the most natural looking skin tones to me without getting crushed looking colors..what are you all using for night time viewing?
post #62 of 1188
Yes about 3 % per side, sorry for the confusion.

I do use the glasses with this set, turning off DLP and IR, and the RF transmitter in the VESA port, it's not a 842, so no RF signal. My mentioning of the "Full3DHD" (frame packed) is there are no rainbows, the different polarization angles of the various DLP/IR glasses could produce these in the checkerboard format, if you don't see them right side up, angle them say 45 degrees (on white/sky scenes). It affected the 3D, because once you saw it, you'd always be watching for it.
post #63 of 1188
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I tested the X104 w/RF dongle on my Samsung plasma. They work, but not as good as the Mits. The same 3D content is much better on the Mits. The Sammy glasses are light weight. ESPN3D is good via either pair and TV. Other 3D content is worst on the plasma strangely. So I now have 9 prs of Full HD 3D glasses. Luckily 4 prs were free. I will use the Xpands and let guests use the Sammy's.
post #64 of 1188
so were the xpands better on the mits than the sammy glasses? Pauls tv is offering me to return the 103 expands and give me some really cheapy sammys,ssg4100,they look light but they are really cheap and not rechargeable. Is there much diff in the performance of the 2 on the mits in your experience?
post #65 of 1188
Thread Starter 
On the Mits, the difference is slight but noticeable if you look for it. The Xpands are better and slightly lighter/brighter. The Sammy's aren't as fast as the Xpands which equates to a slight almost LED motion blur even on the Plasma they came with. I'm thinking there is a tweak that can be done, if I remember correctly from the Paul's manager who demo'd them to me. I just haven't tried to tweak the SSG's. They look funny, but are very lightweight and serves the purpose. I was able to talk Paul's into 4 pairs of 3050GB glasses...I like to bargain on every purchase.
post #66 of 1188
For those interested knowing a little more on the 842 Series... here's Mitsubishi's Sales/Marketing webapp videos with interactive Flash app, when you select features, a video explains that feature. Hope this helps those with questions.

http://webapps.easy2.com/cm2/flash/generic_index.asp?page_id=36323378
post #67 of 1188
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by OneEyedPony View Post

For those interested knowing a little more on the 842 Series... here's Mitsubishi's Sales/Marketing webapp videos with interactive Flash app, when you select features, a video explains that feature. Hope this helps those with questions.
http://webapps.easy2.com/cm2/flash/generic_index.asp?page_id=36323378

...added to the first post.
post #68 of 1188
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...added to the first post.
Kewl, Thanx
post #69 of 1188
73842 - halo / ghost / reflections?

We just got our 73842. First impressions- awesome picture...until we used the DVE-HD Basics calibration disk. When we brought up the PLUGE test pattern that has the large white bar on top, then steps to black going down, we noticed a MAJOR ghost/halo that appears starting about 2/3 of the way up and gets worse as you get to the top of the screen (Pic. 1). Then we watched 'Inception' letterbox BluRay. Any time there was high contrast (lights at night, etc.) there was significant glow like a reflection in the black letterbox space (Pic. 2). All three of us also noticed major rainbow. The top frame is also very loose, very flimsy feeling. We had the unit exchanged- the 2nd unit has all of the exact same issues. No change from inputs, source, cable types, etc. Can someone please check their unit and see if you have this issue? Currently waiting on Mits tech to call & schedule appointment. My son used to sell Mits & knows how to calibrate, and has an older model that has none of these problems. Help!!


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post #70 of 1188
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I will not be able to use my S&M disc for calibration until this weekend. However as of right now, I do not have light bleed that I notice. I will check again tomorrow night to make sure though.
post #71 of 1188
why bother hunting after problems,if the tv looks good and pq is nice just enjoy it.If you hunt it hard enough in calibration youll be looking for the issue all the time in standard viewing. im getting use to the size of this beast a little more each day,I can tell in a month it will be "normal" to me and everything else will just look tiny. The only down side to owning one of these large tvs,everyone elses tv looks like a cell phone.

Do you think its worth it to pay the extra money for the 104 expands? Maybe expand will let me send these 103s in for a exchange on the 104s.. I asked pauls and they said they dont carry the the 104s,they are sending out sammys with all the 842 models...where did you get your 104s?
post #72 of 1188
My wife and son noticed the letterbox flare/glare/reflection first, I thought it was just my eyeglasses. It was running the DVE disk that it became crazy obvious. In the mean time, anything with a dark background & high contrast in the upper 1/3 of the screen is glowing like a UFO. As long as you only watch full screen movies shot in daylight for the rest of your life, I guess you'd be happy with this set. smile.gif
Is everyone else's top frame really loose and easily twisted in the center?

Hoping some other folks can help me out and determine if it's just these 2 sets from Paul's or if this is a bug with the new model/poor manhandling/or.... Supposed to get a Mits tech out Monday (?), will update.
Thanks everyone!
post #73 of 1188
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by suncom3 View Post

why bother hunting after problems,if the tv looks good and pq is nice just enjoy it.If you hunt it hard enough in calibration youll be looking for the issue all the time in standard viewing. im getting use to the size of this beast a little more each day,I can tell in a month it will be "normal" to me and everything else will just look tiny. The only down side to owning one of these large tvs,everyone elses tv looks like a cell phone.
Do you think its worth it to pay the extra money for the 104 expands? Maybe expand will let me send these 103s in for a exchange on the 104s.. I asked pauls and they said they dont carry the the 104s,they are sending out sammys with all the 842 models...where did you get your 104s?

I'm not hunting for it. I will however keep an eye out for it. Unfortunately my TV is covered in plastic now as the sheetrock guys are sanding my ceiling. Later the games are on, so I may have to postpone this until Monday. mad.gif I want to do a calibration now and again later this year (November/December).

I laughed at the cell phone analogy. I feel the same way. Even my wife will plant herself in front of the Mits vs the 51" in the bedroom.

If you can get Paul's to swap them out for the newer Sammys, then go for it. Remember that if you go for the Xpands X104, then you will also need to buy the RF dongles. I don't think Paul's keeps them in the store due to the inventory has been going to select resellers first. I bought the Xpands before I received the Samsung plasma/glasses for free. I got the Xpands and Dongles (currently out of stock) from Amazon. They dongles where waiting for the next shipment and I bought all but one of their last stock. You can always buy from the Xpand site.
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Originally Posted by BrianHerb View Post

My wife and son noticed the letterbox flare/glare/reflection first, I thought it was just my eyeglasses. It was running the DVE disk that it became crazy obvious. In the mean time, anything with a dark background & high contrast in the upper 1/3 of the screen is glowing like a UFO. As long as you only watch full screen movies shot in daylight for the rest of your life, I guess you'd be happy with this set. smile.gif
Is everyone else's top frame really loose and easily twisted in the center?
Hoping some other folks can help me out and determine if it's just these 2 sets from Paul's or if this is a bug with the new model/poor manhandling/or.... Supposed to get a Mits tech out Monday (?), will update.
Thanks everyone!

I noticed how much twisting and movement can happen on this much larger screen even in the store. Of course the smaller ones had less real estate to torque and move. My thought is that once it is in place and calibrated, I will not be moving it, so it was a mute issue. However I can see that if it is mishandled in delivery/setup, then lasting damage can occur. It should hurt to get a tech to give his opinion. Please share his findings.
post #74 of 1188
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

how much did u buy it for it u don't mind me asking?
Just under $1200 from newegg.com...got the stand free from a friend who no longer needed his. smile.gif
post #75 of 1188
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Originally Posted by AzDragonLord View Post

Just under $1200 from newegg.com...got the stand free from a friend who no longer needed his. smile.gif

do they price match?
dell.com is selling it for $999
post #76 of 1188
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Originally Posted by BrianHerb View Post

73842 - halo / ghost / reflections?
We just got our 73842. First impressions- awesome picture...until we used the DVE-HD Basics calibration disk. When we brought up the PLUGE test pattern that has the large white bar on top, then steps to black going down, we noticed a MAJOR ghost/halo that appears starting about 2/3 of the way up and gets worse as you get to the top of the screen (Pic. 1). Then we watched 'Inception' letterbox BluRay. Any time there was high contrast (lights at night, etc.) there was significant glow like a reflection in the black letterbox space (Pic. 2). All three of us also noticed major rainbow. The top frame is also very loose, very flimsy feeling. We had the unit exchanged- the 2nd unit has all of the exact same issues. No change from inputs, source, cable types, etc. Can someone please check their unit and see if you have this issue? Currently waiting on Mits tech to call & schedule appointment. My son used to sell Mits & knows how to calibrate, and has an older model that has none of these problems. Help!!

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I bought a WD-73740 about 3 weeks ago. According to the specs, no difference between it and the '742, except for VNC PC control (not of any value to me). Haven't noticed any problems with the picture in any way, from various sources, letterbox or not.. As far as the flimsy top frame, not apparent on mine....pretty stable, can't twist it. One thing....the '742 is 15 lbs lighter than the '740. Where did that weight loss come from? Cheaper, thinner cabinet? Besides being less money, that's another reason I chose the '740 over the '742.
post #77 of 1188
how much ya get the 104s for wit the rf dongles? The cabinet is kinda flimsy but not too bad,Where is the calibration menu to get into screen alignment I havnt been able to find it. I doubt the engineered another cabinet for a tv that is basically the same thing its been for yrs,prolly just lighter smaller electronics inside it. The old ps3 weighed almost double what the current model weighs,it also produced twice the heat as the new model,I assume the same thing is happening with the mits dlps

I need a few extra hdmi cables to get the mits and a new avr hooked up,whats the best cable for the money at mono price,they have high speed cables 6ft for as little as 4 dollars all the way up to 15 dollars for others,dont really get the ferrit cores or ethernet hdmi cables?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255
Edited by suncom3 - 9/8/12 at 5:34pm
post #78 of 1188
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by suncom3 View Post

how much ya get the 104s for wit the rf dongles? The cabinet is kinda flimsy but not too bad,Where is the calibration menu to get into screen alignment I havnt been able to find it. I doubt the engineered another cabinet for a tv that is basically the same thing its been for yrs,prolly just lighter smaller electronics inside it. The old ps3 weighed almost double what the current model weighs,it also produced twice the heat as the new model,I assume the same thing is happening with the mits dlps

X104 - $73.54/each
RF Dongle - $13.70/each

To get into the Service Menu press the following in quick order:

Menu, 2, 4, 5, 7

Then press 0.

More info can be found from here:
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post


This is from the 2009 Mits owners thread - note the disclaimer "Enter the Service Menu at your own risk." I corrected the geometry best I could on my 82837.



Mits Geometry Correction Instructions

Enter the Service Menu at your own risk.



- Press "menu"

- While on the menu screen press 2 4 5 7 wait 2 seconds then press 0

- You'll see 5 menu selections at the top of the screen

- Arrow down to "MANUAL KEYSTONE GEOMETRY ALIGNMENT" and press the "enter" button

- You will come to a black screen with overscan lines around the perimeter and two vertical lines at the 4:3 bar location

- Seeing this screen, you'll probably want to adjust the perimeter also which is the first part of these instructions. If not, read on through to the end which will get you to the 4:3 bar adjustment.

- There are adjustment points along the perimeter ("+" marks)

- The first point you're at when you arrive to the screen is the upper left corner

- Adjust that point (if needed) by pressing the up/down/left/right arrow keys in the direction you need that point to move to straighten any irregularities there. You won't see any of the lines move at this point, just the "+" pointer.

- You access the "+" points in a clockwise direction from the starting point by pressing "fast forward" (to the right of "play") on the remote to move to the next adjustment point. Adjust the pointer at the next point if needed in the same manner (up,down,left right) then on to the next point.

- "Fast Rewind" will move you backwards, point to point, headed back to the starting point.

- Since you don't see the results of your adjustments onscreen, you'll have to press "enter" which will return you to the Geometry menu screen, then "enter" again to get you back to the adjustment screen. Then you'll see the results. You'll be going back and forth like this quite a few times. NOTE: If you make an adjustment on a point and press "enter", that adjustment won't take. Make sure before you "enter" out to the menu, that you fast forward or rewind to the next point first.


- To adjust the two 4:3 vertical bars, "fast forward" all the way around to the starting point. Once there, you'll be in the 4:3 bar adjustment mode. The next "fast forward" press will make both 4:3 lines move. Just keep pressing "fast forward / rewind" until you get the bars straight as possible. Press "enter" to get back to the menu screen. If you are finished, press "exit".
post #79 of 1188
hmmm,on second thought...not sure if I wana mess with the service menu

Yeshhh I cant even get the 3d workin on this setup to show the kid. I have a 2010 model 3d samsung blue ray player I cant get to play 3d,in the menue if I power it off and back on it will display 3d and let you turn it on,but then when you play the 3d blue ray it only plays in 2d and if you go back into the menu with it playing,the 3d option is grayed out and wont let you adjust it..I bought it as a open box,it may be messed up?
I thought I read the ps3 will play 3d movies also..I have the very first model ps3 and i cant get it to play 3d either?
post #80 of 1188
Thread Starter 
Do you have the 3D on the TV set to Auto? There may be a similar setting on the BDP. I'm not familiar with the original PS3.
post #81 of 1188
I reset the ps3and upgraded firmware and got it to work now,the tv was on auto,I tried a few diff settings,checkerboard and others,couldnt really tell much of a diff,tried turning the dlp link on and off,that just seemed to make it a little liter or darker. I got 2 movies,one is the ultimate wave,the 3d on this was really nice, especially the cgi stuff, little floating ghosts and planetary shots...Transformers dark side of the moon,is almost un watchable to me though,all the action looks blurry and out of focus,the only thing that looks good is the slow motion cgi and landscape shots.Maybe im missing something but i remember all the demos in the stores looking better than this. I am using the rechargeable sammy glasses,I think i would enjoy a pair that wraps around more,I dont like the flat feel of them unless all the lights are off in the room,even then id still prefer a more contoured set of glasses.

Still cant get the sammy player to work even with 3d turned on as soon as the disk plays it grays out the 3d option?
post #82 of 1188
i finally received my 73C12 set yesterday, and only had a little bit of time to put it on the TV stand and do some quick viewing. I immediately noticed some significant bowing/vertical pincushioning in my picture - I have a decently up-to-date HTPC connected to the TV, but I have a feeling that it has nothing to do with that.

Anyone else have uber bowing/pincushioning with their C12 at all? Were you able to fix it without calling a Tech or getting a replacement set? I am definitely not afraid to enter the service menu, but I am wondering if anyone is experiencing the same problem out of the box like I am. I really wonder if this is a result of shipping or something to that effect.

Thanks for the help in advance smile.gif
post #83 of 1188
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Originally Posted by suncom3 View Post

I reset the ps3and upgraded firmware and got it to work now,the tv was on auto,I tried a few diff settings,checkerboard and others,couldnt really tell much of a diff,tried turning the dlp link on and off,that just seemed to make it a little liter or darker. I got 2 movies,one is the ultimate wave,the 3d on this was really nice, especially the cgi stuff, little floating ghosts and planetary shots...Transformers dark side of the moon,is almost un watchable to me though,all the action looks blurry and out of focus,the only thing that looks good is the slow motion cgi and landscape shots.Maybe im missing something but i remember all the demos in the stores looking better than this. I am using the rechargeable sammy glasses,I think i would enjoy a pair that wraps around more,I dont like the flat feel of them unless all the lights are off in the room,even then id still prefer a more contoured set of glasses.
Still cant get the sammy player to work even with 3d turned on as soon as the disk plays it grays out the 3d option?

To play a 3D disc automatically in the PS3 and the Samsung Blu-ray player the disc
1. Needs to be Blu-ray NOT DVD.
2. The Blu-ray disc must follow the 3D Blu-ray format.

All other types of discs that follow other 3D formats will not trigger the 3D circuits of the PS3 or Samsung Blu-ray player.

The PS3 and Samsung 3D Blu-ray player will always sends frame packing 3D along with the announcement that the signal is frame packing and what is the resolution of the signal. The settings in the TV are not for "How the TV displays" the image - that if fixed and always the same - it always displays 3D in the checkerboard format and the TV coverts non-checkerboard signal to checkerboard internally.

The difference you see between the two movies is just that, the difference between two movies. One is better 3D mastering than the other. Demos in the store normally try to use better quality 3D Blu-ray discs because if you saw a poor quailty
3D disc, you would not purchase the 3D equipment.

The settings in the TV are to tell them what type of 3D is coming in so that the TV knows what type of 3D processing to use to convert the 3D to the checkerboard format.

1. The Off setting tells the TV that when a 3D signal that HAS the 3D announcement is received, figure out how to take one eye view and display that as a full screen 3D image and do nothing if the 3D announcement is not in the signal.
1. The Automatic settings tell the TV to read the 3D announcement in the incoming signal to determine what processing to use.
2. The Side-by-Side setting tells the TV that there is no 3D announcement in the incoming signal so assume that the signal is 3D Side-by-side and process that way.
3. The Top-Bottom settings tells the TV that there is no 3D announcement in the incoming signal so assume that the signal is 3D Top-Bottom and process that way.
4. The Checkerboard setting tells the TV that there is no 3D announcement in the incoming signal so assume that the signals is 3D Checkerboard and process that way.
5. The 2D+Depth setting tell the TV that the signal is not 3D but use the special processing to make it a pseudo 3D signal.

If any of the "on" settings are selected and a signal is received that HAS the 3D announcement, the TV overrides the manual settings and automatically processes the signal correctly converting the signal to Checkerboard for display.

I do not know why your Samsung is not recognizing the 3D disc if it is a correct 3D Blu-ray. If the Samsung is connected directly to the TV via HDMI, then it should know the TV is 3D. If the Samsung goes through an AV Receiver, then that AV Receiver needs to support 3D because the Samsung will not be able to establish that the TV at the other end is 3D if the AV Receiver does not support 3D. You may want to ask that question in the 3D Source device section of the AVS forums.
post #84 of 1188
1. The Automatic settings tell the TV to read the 3D announcement in the incoming signal to determine what processing to use.


Since the TV has an "Automatic" setting that will automatically detect and process the proper incoming 3D format and display it, what's the purpose of listing all the various formats to manually select? Guess I'm missing something. I have my WD-73740 set on automatic, and everything 3D that I throw at it (3D Blu-ray movies, DirecTV) displays perfectly. Thanks for any clarification.
post #85 of 1188
The automatic 3D does not work for all 3D sources. A source has to be HDMI 1.4a compliant for it to work. My comcast cablebox is a bit outdated (i need to update it), so when I play 3D channels - the TV shows side by side (or top bottom depending on the channel). In that case I have to manually goto the TV settings and choose the right format. This is mentioned in the owner's guide.
post #86 of 1188
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GEP View Post

To play a 3D disc automatically in the PS3 and the Samsung Blu-ray player the disc
1. Needs to be Blu-ray NOT DVD.
2. The Blu-ray disc must follow the 3D Blu-ray format.
All other types of discs that follow other 3D formats will not trigger the 3D circuits of the PS3 or Samsung Blu-ray player.
The PS3 and Samsung 3D Blu-ray player will always sends frame packing 3D along with the announcement that the signal is frame packing and what is the resolution of the signal. The settings in the TV are not for "How the TV displays" the image - that if fixed and always the same - it always displays 3D in the checkerboard format and the TV coverts non-checkerboard signal to checkerboard internally.
The difference you see between the two movies is just that, the difference between two movies. One is better 3D mastering than the other. Demos in the store normally try to use better quality 3D Blu-ray discs because if you saw a poor quailty
3D disc, you would not purchase the 3D equipment.
The settings in the TV are to tell them what type of 3D is coming in so that the TV knows what type of 3D processing to use to convert the 3D to the checkerboard format.
1. The Off setting tells the TV that when a 3D signal that HAS the 3D announcement is received, figure out how to take one eye view and display that as a full screen 3D image and do nothing if the 3D announcement is not in the signal.
1. The Automatic settings tell the TV to read the 3D announcement in the incoming signal to determine what processing to use.
2. The Side-by-Side setting tells the TV that there is no 3D announcement in the incoming signal so assume that the signal is 3D Side-by-side and process that way.
3. The Top-Bottom settings tells the TV that there is no 3D announcement in the incoming signal so assume that the signal is 3D Top-Bottom and process that way.
4. The Checkerboard setting tells the TV that there is no 3D announcement in the incoming signal so assume that the signals is 3D Checkerboard and process that way.
5. The 2D+Depth setting tell the TV that the signal is not 3D but use the special processing to make it a pseudo 3D signal.
If any of the "on" settings are selected and a signal is received that HAS the 3D announcement, the TV overrides the manual settings and automatically processes the signal correctly converting the signal to Checkerboard for display.
I do not know why your Samsung is not recognizing the 3D disc if it is a correct 3D Blu-ray. If the Samsung is connected directly to the TV via HDMI, then it should know the TV is 3D. If the Samsung goes through an AV Receiver, then that AV Receiver needs to support 3D because the Samsung will not be able to establish that the TV at the other end is 3D if the AV Receiver does not support 3D. You may want to ask that question in the 3D Source device section of the AVS forums.

I wonder if this is why my TV doesn't notice the 3D SxS digital backup I have when sent to it. I will try setting it to SxS and see if that works. Thanks for the breakdown.
post #87 of 1188
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Originally Posted by vik2002 View Post

The automatic 3D does not work for all 3D sources. A source has to be HDMI 1.4a compliant for it to work. My comcast cablebox is a bit outdated (i need to update it), so when I play 3D channels - the TV shows side by side (or top bottom depending on the channel). In that case I have to manually goto the TV settings and choose the right format. This is mentioned in the owner's guide.


Thanks for the clarification. My DirecTV box is the latest DVR, and the Blu-ray 3D player is a new Sony Model. I guess both are HDMI 1.4 compliant, as I haven't had any issues with the automatic 3D setting.
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Trying to 100% confirm there is no 3D emitter port on the 73C12. Manual says no but Mits customer service told me yes one time and then no the next time I called. Would love to get confirmation on this since I have the 3DC-1000 pack and would love to use it with a bigger Mits. Have a feeling I am going to have to get the 642.
post #89 of 1188
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LordofDoubleD View Post

Trying to 100% confirm there is no 3D emitter port on the 73C12. Manual says no but Mits customer service told me yes one time and then no the next time I called. Would love to get confirmation on this since I have the 3DC-1000 pack and would love to use it with a bigger Mits. Have a feeling I am going to have to get the 642.

Per the Mitsubishi site and 2012 Overview Lineup (see first post)...the 73C12 is the No 3D and No StreamTV version of the lineup. 642 adds 3D...742 addes StreamTV (plus other features).
post #90 of 1188
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Originally Posted by LordofDoubleD View Post

Trying to 100% confirm there is no 3D emitter port on the 73C12. Manual says no but Mits customer service told me yes one time and then no the next time I called. Would love to get confirmation on this since I have the 3DC-1000 pack and would love to use it with a bigger Mits. Have a feeling I am going to have to get the 642.

To Confirm, go to Mitsubishi-tv.com and download the basic and supplemental ownwers manuals for the 73C12. There is no external 3D IR emitter port on it. You will have to purchase the WD-73642 (with external emitter port on back panel), and buy the Xpand 3DG-EX103 glasses with emitter included to plug into the back of the 642 for 3D. The 742 has a built-in IR emitter, so all you need is the 3DG-X103 glasses. The 842 series has a built-in RF Bluetooth emitter. BTW, the average difference in price between the 73642 and the 73742 is about $100. With the 742, you get the built-in emitter and internet streaming. For the glasses, the 3DG-X103 can be had for $58 (Amazon), and the 3DG-EX103 (with emitter for the 642) can be bought for about $100.
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