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post #331 of 410
The only scene where the mix disappointed me was the Batman/Bane sewer fight. I know the score was dialed down intentionally, but I wanted the blows exchanged to carry more weight. It didn't feel as powerful as it looked, if that makes sense.
Edited by HD-Master - 12/9/12 at 6:39pm
post #332 of 410
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

A little is cut at 1.78:1 is not IMAX ratio

I hope you knew what I meant. Nothing is lost on the sides.
post #333 of 410
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

Spoilers, obviously.
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OMFG!!! That has got to be one of the best overdub videos I've heard seen. I had tears going down my face from the MK song on out. biggrin.gif

C-C-Combo breakah!!!

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post #334 of 410
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

The only scene where the mix disappointed me was the Batman/Bane sewer fight. I know the score was dialed down intentionally, but I wanted the blows exchanged to carry more weight. It didn't feel as powerful as it looked, if that makes sense.


Worst thing about that is the appalling choreography, hits that land a foot from each person
post #335 of 410
At least there are hits in that fight. Now look at the fight between Batman and Bane's men:



This guy at 02:08:05 falls down without a reason. That's embarrassing.
post #336 of 410
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Worst thing about that is the appalling choreography, hits that land a foot from each person

That's what happens when you don't have a 2nd unit, Nolan does it all himself and he can't shoot fights worth a damn
post #337 of 410
The transition from 2.40 to 1.81:1 is so seamless that you dont even notice the switch. Its best NOT to use any screen magnification mode because I tested my BD-6500 Samsung blu ray player's "mode 1" picture increase that I use on 2.40's, and the IMAX switch made the picture too big. Its best to accept the 2.40 (seems a 50/50 split) for half the movie, and fullscreen the rest.

The flying scenes with Batman in the stelth jet craft were the most awesome. He swoops in with the craft ti block a missile, and flies through some buildings to dodge a missile lock-on.
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how the female villain just "dropped dead" at the end was smile.gif...terrible. What acting school did she graduate from biggrin.gif? Turn the head slowly and slowly close the eyes! I didbt get a lick of acting lessons and I know that biggrin.gif!
post #338 of 410
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Originally Posted by AndreHD View Post

The transition from 2.40 to 1.81:1 is so seamless that you dont even notice the switch. Its best NOT to use any screen magnification mode because I tested my BD-6500 Samsung blu ray player's "mode 1" picture increase that I use on 2.40's, and the IMAX switch made the picture too big. Its best to accept the 2.40 (seems a 50/50 split) for half the movie, and fullscreen the rest.
The flying scenes with Batman in the stelth jet craft were the most awesome. He swoops in with the craft ti block a missile, and flies through some buildings to dodge a missile lock-on. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
how the female villain just "dropped dead" at the end was smile.gif...terrible. What acting school did she graduate from biggrin.gif? Turn the head slowly and slowly close the eyes! I didbt get a lick of acting lessons and I know that biggrin.gif!
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1) Maybe she passed out.
2) Have you seen anyone die in front of you before, in such an awkward position no less? Marion probably just let her body go limp, and that's how her neck snapped into place as she closed her eyes.
post #339 of 410
[/quote] At least there are hits in that fight. Now look at the fight between Batman and Bane's men:

This guy at 02:08:05 falls down without a reason. That's embarrassing.[/quote]

Maybe a few of these would've made this fight scene better biggrin.gif


Edited by SCHNEEDOO - 12/12/12 at 3:30pm
post #340 of 410
"Excessive or blatant abuse of compressors, limiters, and clipping is a cop-out and is straight up lazy mixing.

It requires no talent or skill to produce a loud mix but only the best mixers utilize finesse not brute distorted force to create a dynamic and rich aural experience.

LOud-FIdelity sensibilities should never have taken hold in music let alone in movies; it abusively defeats the whole point of 120db of dynamic range let alone high quality recording, mixing, and playback chains. There are multitudes of examples of proper mixing that completely disproves any possible 'stylistic' rational to justify crushing dynamics to create pseudo impact.
Unfortunately this particular trend is becoming more common; too many Indie films abuse this trick as well to seem higher fidelity than they could be.

TDK is quite dynamic and enjoyable but from my experience of TDKR in IMAX it was a bloated, flat, fatiguing, and boring experience. Absolutely not impactful nor enjoyable.
Perhaps when I get to watch the BR on my system I'll feel differently but from the comments of others it may not be the case.

I sometimes check out the Audio Tier thread and some of the 'Reference' titles make no sense to me unless the criteria is simply loud throbbing bass at the cost of dynamics, then it makes sense. Rather sheer output is often misconstrued as being dynamic and impactful."

I concur wholeheartedly. Many film mixes are some of the most atrocious stuff I have ever heard coming from an audiophile. The bass is fat and nasty and loud; it makes everything seem too ridiculous.
post #341 of 410
Theres a scene where Bale is trying to clinb out of the prison, and he gets on a ledge? The stone wall in the background is obviously CG biggrin.gif.
post #342 of 410
There is so much obvious CGI, A byproduct of imax resolution?
post #343 of 410
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

There is so much obvious CGI, A byproduct of imax resolution?

It's like Doug Trumbull said in one of Harry Knowles' interviews with him from earlier this year: motion blur costs extra.
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There's one shot during the big climactic action scene that's particularly lacking motion blur. It's the one where we're whipping right past a big cgi building. You know the one I'm talking about. The motion is choppy as hell. I'm guessing they ran out of time and/or money to do it properly at IMAX resolution and something had to give.
post #344 of 410
It's not that, its the dust clouds on the stadium and the other explosions, they look sub game quality
post #345 of 410
Some shots of The Bat aren't entirely convincing either, IMO.
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Most notably, when it's banking through the buildings, trying to avoid missiles.

Having said that, it's possible that it sticks out to me more, because of the alleged 'reality' its meant to be be inhabiting, as opposed to say The Avengers, which has obvious CG falling out of its ass, but I don't really care, as it's pure unadulterated fantasy.
post #346 of 410
No it looked like that is non-Imax also. Spending more of better effects costs money that doesn't change the story telling.
post #347 of 410
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

Some shots of The Bat aren't entirely convincing either, IMO. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Most notably, when it's banking through the buildings, trying to avoid missiles.
Having said that, it's possible that it sticks out to me more, because of the alleged 'reality' its meant to be be inhabiting, as opposed to say The Avengers, which has obvious CG falling out of its ass, but I don't really care, as it's pure unadulterated fantasy.
Isn't the Bat a practical effect? As I understand it, they had it suspended from a helicopter.
post #348 of 410
Only for a few shots, the rest were cgi and the thing looked weightless
post #349 of 410
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Only for a few shots, the rest were cgi and the thing looked weightless

Well, it was a very fancy kinda-inverted helicopter designed for flying in constricted urban areas, I didn't expect it to thunder along like a Chinook

The CG stuff in the stadium looks hokey but not in a bad way, though it probably would've been better served by using a miniature. The only other shots that really scream CG to me are those of the batpod doing that awesome wheel turning thing, but even then that's not because the CG is poor but because they couldn't do something like that practically (apart from some very slow revolutions in a close-up when Bats turns the pod around).
post #350 of 410
That is based in reality but has no basis in reality? Gotcha
post #351 of 410
Thread Starter 
*based* in reality as in they built it from scratch. So yes it's based in reality. For obvious reasons it's understandable they were not going to build an actual aircraft! The Batpod is far from being a 'real" vehicle either, same for the Tumblers. They work, but they are very tricky (and dangerous) to "operate". These are still Batman movies, superhero movies. Grounded in reality yes but still an imaginary world. Why would anyone expect otherwise? This is really a non-issue.
post #352 of 410
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

*based* in reality as in they built it from scratch. So yes it's based in reality. For obvious reasons it's understandable they were not going to build an actual aircraft! The Batpod is far from being a 'real" vehicle either, same for the Tumblers. They work, but they are very tricky (and dangerous) to "operate". These are still Batman movies, superhero movies. Grounded in reality yes but still an imaginary world. Why would anyone expect otherwise? This is really a non-issue.
Batman isn't REAL!?!eek.gif
post #353 of 410
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

*based* in reality as in they built it from scratch. So yes it's based in reality. For obvious reasons it's understandable they were not going to build an actual aircraft! The Batpod is far from being a 'real" vehicle either, same for the Tumblers. They work, but they are very tricky (and dangerous) to "operate". These are still Batman movies, superhero movies. Grounded in reality yes but still an imaginary world. Why would anyone expect otherwise? This is really a non-issue.

The tumbler convinced me that it would work, the Bat just spits in the face of physics and thermodynamics
post #354 of 410
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

The tumbler convinced me that it would work, the Bat just spits in the face of physics and thermodynamics
What does it have to do with thermodynamics? Maybe you meant aerodynamics?

Of course, the only way to know for sure would be to build one, even as just a model proof of concept. Surely someone out there has the time.
post #355 of 410
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

*based* in reality as in they built it from scratch. So yes it's based in reality. For obvious reasons it's understandable they were not going to build an actual aircraft! The Batpod is far from being a 'real" vehicle either, same for the Tumblers. They work, but they are very tricky (and dangerous) to "operate". These are still Batman movies, superhero movies. Grounded in reality yes but still an imaginary world. Why would anyone expect otherwise? This is really a non-issue.
Batman isn't REAL!?!eek.gif
He's clearly an urban legend Gotham's criminals use as an excuse. Now Superman, he's the real one.
post #356 of 410
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

The tumbler convinced me that it would work, the Bat just spits in the face of physics and thermodynamics
There is a featurette on the history of the Batmobile from its very early beginnings on the BD Special Features disk with this release.
I just got done watching and it is excellent.
And yes, the Tumbler does "work."cool.gif

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Now Superman, he's the real one.
I'll believe it when I can look up in the sky and point to Krypton.biggrin.gif
post #357 of 410
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

What does it have to do with thermodynamics? Maybe you meant aerodynamics?
Of course, the only way to know for sure would be to build one, even as just a model proof of concept. Surely someone out there has the time.

http://www.pdfdownloadlibrary.com/topics/pdf-propeller-thermodynamics/page/3/


T Hat Batmobile doc was the only reason I bought this release
post #358 of 410
Same here, that doc is sweet. I have a soft spot for the Batman Forever car and it looked amazing here.
post #359 of 410
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

Same here, that doc is sweet. I have a soft spot for the Batman Forever car and it looked amazing here.
+1
I don't ordinarily watch featurettes, but I am a car geek and have always loved the Batmobiles.wink.gif
post #360 of 410
Anyone catch the seamless transition from 2.40:1 to IMAX in the scene where Selina traps Bats in Bane's lair? It's at approx 1:11:24. Seamless as in, occuring in an unbroken shot. Apparently they had the IMAX shot artificially masked, and it opens up right as the gate closes behind Bats. Nice touch. TMK it's the only transition of its kind in this or TDK.
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