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Floorstand or bookshelf speakers for home cinema (floor plan of the house included).

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi all,
need some help in deciding the right setup of speakers for my house (currently being constructed).

The family room for the home cinema/entertainment is 3.8 x 3.7 meters (12.5 x 12.3 ft), height to the ceiling is 2.7 meters (9 ft), no walls (as pictured in the floor plan below).
The TV is 55 inch LG55LW5700, to be located on a TV cabinet.
The receiver that I'm eyeing on is the Denon 3312 (mostly same features w/ 3313 w/ lower price).
Usage will be mostly 60% movie (3D movies for the kid), 40% music . Thinking about doing a 5.1 setup.

Already done some search in this forum, including the sticky, on what's the rule of thumb (eg.room size) in deciding the speaker type for a home cinema setup: floorstand, or bookshelf.

I'm including 2 sketches:
- the floor plan of the 1st floor where the family room will be located at
- the different perspectives of the family room so people can have a better feel of what the family room will look like (as it's not yet finished)

Many thanks in advance for the help.

Cheers.









Edited by phife - 8/22/12 at 10:18am
post #2 of 30
You can get a system for a couple hundred dollars or a couple hundred thousand dollars...so it will be necessary to know what you are thinking about spending on speakers. What is the Sq footage of the entire open area? That layout will be a bit challenging...
post #3 of 30
Soory, for some reason I cannot edit my posts...I assume that is a typo or I am misunderstanding about those 6'5" inch ceilings. I guess you don't have a lot of visitors from the NBA! smile.gif
post #4 of 30
So your entire upstairs is one open room basically? What is your budget? Are you looking for reference level volume, house shaking base?

And only 2m ceiling??
post #5 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi Eli,
no NBA players visiting my house :-) , the ceiling height is 6.5 ft (triple checked my post, there's no reference of 6.5 ")

Thanks for the responses.

I'm thinking about spending US$ 3,500 (max) for speakers.

The open space area is approximately 6 x 6 mtrs (20 x 20 ft), taken from the start of the family room (that has some tiny/short walls) up to the pantry/island.
post #6 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi Wagboss,
my typo on the ceiling height, it's 2.7m ceiling height, not that high still...

the area upstairs right above the family/cinema room will be an open area w/ a small couch and a 47 inch LCD, so I can escape from downstairs when the wife has her friends over.
the rest of the areas upstairs will 1 bedroom for my kid, 1 playroom for me (my hi fi room/working area), and main bedroom for me and the wife. The house is approximately 22mtr x 11 mtr (land).

Not looking for house shaking bass, reference volume will be enough, just for once in a while want to crank it up when watching some movies w/ friends.

Budget for speakers around US$ 3,500 max.

Thanks.
post #7 of 30
I was going to recommend Ascend Sierra 1s/matching center and AA surrounds ...but your budget can certainly get something a notch or two higher higher (the AA system would run 1500-2,000 depending on the surrounds). If you went Ascend Towers, center and matching surrounds, you would be at just around 3,000 dollars.
The SVS subs come highly recommend and can often be had starting at 500 dollars. For a room that size, two?
Anyway, I have already spent $3000 (or 3500) of your dollars!

Some experts can do a better job of recommending systems that might sound better, considering the openness of you space...

Disclaimer...while I have heard the Sierra's...I don't own them and only had a few hours with them. Excellent speaker, however! Just one suggestion...
post #8 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the recommendation Eli, will look into the Sierra-1.

I read somewhere, that the more open your space is, the bigger speaker that you need to fill work those open space. Question is: how big of a speaker, before it gets too big/overpowering?

Thanks.
post #9 of 30
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Originally Posted by phife View Post

Thanks for the recommendation Eli, will look into the Sierra-1.
I read somewhere, that the more open your space is, the bigger speaker that you need to fill work those open space. Question is: how big of a speaker, before it gets too big/overpowering?
Thanks.

You won't be able to overpower your room.

What dealers do you have near you that you could demo some stuff? Speakers are pretty subjective so it's good if you can listen to them. Personally if I was spending $3500.00 right now on speakers I'd be looking at the Paradigm Studio line. They make very nice looking and sounding speakers.
post #10 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi Wagboss,
would the PSB T6 setup be ok for my open family area?

I had a demo last week in a dealer demo room (closed room though), the 5.1 setup was: PSB T6 (front), PSB B5 bookshelf, PSB C5, PSB subseries 200.
We tested using NAD T757 for the Transformers BluRay, liked the results so far (need to do longer demo, as it was only 10 minutes), however, it's a closed room unlike my family area.

That dealer also sells Energy and Paradigm, will check those 2 speakers also.

Thanks.
post #11 of 30
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Originally Posted by phife View Post

Hi Wagboss,
would the PSB T6 setup be ok for my open family area?
I had a demo last week in a dealer demo room (closed room though), the 5.1 setup was: PSB T6 (front), PSB B5 bookshelf, PSB C5, PSB subseries 200.
We tested using NAD T757 for the Transformers BluRay, liked the results so far (need to do longer demo, as it was only 10 minutes), however, it's a closed room unlike my family area.
That dealer also sells Energy and Paradigm, will check those 2 speakers also.
Thanks.

Yup definitely. It will definitely sound way different in an open room opposed to a closed room, so take that into consideration. Basically pick what you like best, you can't really go wrong when all that matters is how it sounds to you, so just pick what you like best.
post #12 of 30
There may be speakers than perform better in open areas...but in general, I would guess that if a speaker that sounds better than others in a closed room, it would more than likely sound better than those same speakers, in an open space...assuming the speakers all have enough power/sensitivity.
post #13 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks Wagboss, and Eli.

Eli, what other speakers would you recommend within my budget? (US$3,500), so I can give them a try this weekend. The stereo shops here are located within 1 shopping mall, so I can do a full demo run this weekend of multiple brands. (is that mall, there are dealers of : BW,Focal, Dyn, PSB, Energy,Paradigm, Dali,etc).

thanks
post #14 of 30
I current have a system with EMPtek speakers, which are outstanding for the money... But your budget is about 2x mine, so you can do better!
Bic acoustech has several HT systems that I have hear ( pun intended) sound great! Make sure you appreciate horn tweeter, however.
RBH sound, the parent company to EMP, make some very high quality speakers.
Last, I love the sound of the neo planar tweeter that BG radia uses, but have never been able to afford them! Very clear, detailed highs!
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by phife View Post

Thanks Wagboss, and Eli.
Eli, what other speakers would you recommend within my budget? (US$3,500), so I can give them a try this weekend. The stereo shops here are located within 1 shopping mall, so I can do a full demo run this weekend of multiple brands. (is that mall, there are dealers of : BW,Focal, Dyn, PSB, Energy,Paradigm, Dali,etc).
thanks

definitely check out B&W 600 series and CM series, both really nice looking, good for living rooms, and both sound great. I think fronts, center and 2 rears of the CM's would be in the 4500 price range and the 600s would be in the 2000 price range.
post #16 of 30
Thread Starter 
thanks Eli & Wagboss for the suggestions.

@Eli: unfortunately , the brands you mentioned are not available here.

@ Wagboss: will check out the BW 600 & CM as suggested.
post #17 of 30
Amongst the speakers you listed (all good speaker companies)....No personal experience with Focal, but people on this forum seem to really like them! I have never been a fan of B$W, however, based on hearing only a couple speaker models (they just didn't stand out). Energy, PSB and Paradigm I have heard and they make good speakers- cannot even tell you what models I have heard.

At some point, you will have to listen to speaker...trust your ears. Then when you have one or more models that you really like, make sure the store has a decent return policy, buy them with the idea that if they don't sound good in your home, they are coming back! If you can afford to short term, buy more than one modelt, set them up and do a A/B comparison and you will really get a sense for which one is the better speaker for you and your room!
post #18 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi Eli,
My top contender is right now PSB T6 combo: great sound for movies and music, great support from the dealer (unlike the focal and dyn sellers).
Might try Bw next weekend.

The psb subseries 200 10 inch sub sounds great, but for movies,it still lacks the oomph of velodyne and rell

Has anybody done a sub comparison that includes the psb sub series 200?

Thanks.
post #19 of 30
sucks about your focal and dyn dealers, the dm3.7s, 2.6s and center would be right in you budget and a great setup, as would focals 700 and 800 series speakers. personally id go back and listen anyways, if the sound isnt for you, then pass, but that way you can make a better informed decision. JMO.

of those 3 paradigm studios would be more of my go to, but psb and energy make good speakers also.

for a sub, check out svs or hsu, much better and more for you money then any of the others will provide at your price point.
post #20 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi Callas, already demo-ed the Focals & Dyns, I prefer the Focals over the Dyn DMs.
So far, the top contenders are: PSB, and Focal, yet to be decided. One last demo of BW, and I will make the decision.

Sub: really like the Velodyne SPL 1000 during the Inception demo using the Focal 716, however, I didnt try this setup for music. If I get the PSB setup, and increase the fund a bit, I might afford the Velodyne :-)
do you think it's worth it getting a high price sub like that, or a SubSeries 200 will do?

Will try to do longer demos next weekend, without bringing the missus and my boy, to try out different setups for movies and music.

Thanks again for the input.
post #21 of 30
I just upgraded my system from Vandersteen 2C and PSB Image 6T. Let me explain. I have 2 separate systems, one in my living room the other in my man cave. Vandys' were in the living room and the 6Ts' in the main cave. First things first. I am always music first and home theatre second, that being said I have never heard a speaker for music that didn't do home theatre very well. The same qualities that make it a great musical speaker will do just as well as a ht speaker. It was just for that reason I switched to bookshelf speakers. There are qualities of the bookshelves that are very difficult to find in floorstanders that won't cost you a mint. What you don't get in a bookshelf you can easily get by adding a powered sub.
I looked at quite a few speakers, Paradigm, B&W, Totem, Definitive Tech and GoldenEar Tech. Listened to the reference studio 20 - 5v, 685 from B&W, and Aon3 Goldenear. Hands down the Aon3 was tops. Highs were outragious, midgrange crystal, and a very smooth and deep bass. The 685s' coming in were the favorite going in but sound was bright and britle and wasn't close in the bass. The Paradigms' were nice but the looks were the only thing I felt beat out the Aons and cost $500 more as was the Totem rainmakers. So the Aons' went in my man cave where I do most of my sustained listening. They are now fully burned in and are simply awesome. I bought the 50c center. I already have a few subs so that wasn't needed. Will pick up there surrounds in a few months but surrounds have never been a critical component for me. Now if you get a full package for the Aons' including center, surrounds and sub you would be talking about $3000 worth of awesome sound.
Picked up the Studio monitor 55s' from Definitve tech for the living room. Let me say this, they can be had for around $500 a pair if you shop and I have never heard a speaker for that money as good as these. Similar sound as Aons' but Aons' have more of it.

Joe
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by phife View Post

Hi Callas, already demo-ed the Focals & Dyns, I prefer the Focals over the Dyn DMs.
So far, the top contenders are: PSB, and Focal, yet to be decided. One last demo of BW, and I will make the decision.
Sub: really like the Velodyne SPL 1000 during the Inception demo using the Focal 716, however, I didnt try this setup for music. If I get the PSB setup, and increase the fund a bit, I might afford the Velodyne :-)
do you think it's worth it getting a high price sub like that, or a SubSeries 200 will do?
Will try to do longer demos next weekend, without bringing the missus and my boy, to try out different setups for movies and music.
Thanks again for the input.

It's definetly about what you prefer. I like my Dynaudio excites more then the focal 800s, but you may not feel the same. I think you have two great choices before you. I'd pick the focals over the psbs. But you pick what you like best. Again, I'd buy a subwoofer from avs it Hsu research as you will get more for your money, imo.
post #23 of 30
I am also a Focal Fan - and I prefer them over PSB, and PSB is a good one.
post #24 of 30
Phife,

Have you checked out monitor audio? You should, they're great speakers for the money.
post #25 of 30
Phife,

Have you checked out monitor audio? You should, they're great speakers for the money.
post #26 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hi Callas, don't get MA around here unfortunately, definitely want to try them out as well if possible.


In the meantime, the local Dali dealer sent me an email, there will be demo units of Dali Zensor, 5MK2, 6MK2, all in 5.1 setups coming up in the next 2 week. Keen to hear them out as well.
Don't know about their surround performance though, the OnWall Vokal 2, any input on these speakers guys? Looks fantastic, Wife Acceptance Factor is definitely high. But how does it sound?

http://www.dali.dk/en-US/Loudspeakers-1/IKON-ON-WALL-MK2.aspx




subwoofer,I might get a good deal for the Velodyne CHT-12Q
post #27 of 30
ive heard the dali phantom in-wall speakers, which are built the same as those, and they were excellent speakers. however those speakers you are looking at for rears match the Ikon series, see if the dealer you are going to also has some Dali Ikon 5s or 6's on hand.
post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 
Will do callas..thanks mate
post #29 of 30
3500 is a good budget and you try some local dealers for the below to see which ones sound better to you:

1) B&W 600 series setup (CM series is the upgrade if you can swing it)
2) Paradigm Monitor series (Studio series is the upgrade if you can swing it)

Generally both will be good and Paradigm would be a bit cheaper.

If you end up getting Paradigm, Anthem receiver would be a winning combination. With B&W you can go with Rotel.
post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks Akhter,will check out the BW, no paradigm dealer here, only psb and energy.
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