PS4 to Support 4K Resolution - Page 2

Let's at least be realistic here...

No AAA titles are going to run at 4K native, will not happen (seriously doubt the PS4 will even have the juice to upscale those AAA titles to 4K). Maybe small games like Stardust and such will have new versions at 4K but that's about it. As for blu ray playback it will simply be upscaling like their current players, not native 4K.

If we can get native 1080p/60 that will be a true leap for consoles, and even beyond that 1080p 3D gaming on AAA titles.

Jason

Best post ever!

Kind of a no brainer, eh?

I really like the idea of 4K,

but the current 1080p games aren't *really* 1080p, so why would we expect 4K games to *really* be 4K? What I mean by current games not being "real" 1080p is that you can still generally see aliasing and other rendering artifacts that fall below the 1920 x 1080 threshold... current 1080p video games don't look like 1080p source material, by and large. Think about the rendering artifacts that typically surround in-motion characters or moving background detail as the camera slowly pans.

I don't want those artifacts at 1080p or 4K. I'd rather have "clean" 1080p video than artifact-ridden 4K video.

Of course, even more I'd like clean 4k video.

It all depends on what you mean by "film." Actual film has no "resolution," properly speaking. The source material isn't the problem. The limiting factor is on the consumer display side (size, distance, etc).

I also tend to agree with the poster above. Like with games, the more important display technology to improve isn't resolution. It's other things like refresh rates, transfers, etc. But that's harder to do (and likely won't catch Joe Shmo Consumer's eye the way that HD did). The advent of streaming content has only made it worse. Not much motivation for the big movie studios to produce improved transfers. And without their support, what's the point of something like 4k?
Edited by confidenceman - 8/22/12 at 6:19pm

Sell more TV's in a flagging LCD/Plasma market?



I wish more manufactures would go back to quality and brand. Trying to turn TV's into disposable consumer items is ****** for consumers, and ****** for their bottom line.

Hey now, I sit 10 feet from 106" in my house. My darn iPad 3rd gen is above HD. And my desktop display is also above HD resolution. Suit yourself but I say bring it on.

Agreed.

Some of us sit love to sit 8 feet away from a 100" screen for full game immersion... 4K would be a big plus for that viewing angle.

But when will we be able to buy 4K BD's?

make better graphics on games, higher fps on movies, and better AA please. Then make higher resolution. 4k is not going to improve anything unless you have a 10 foot screen and a $30,000 projector, which 99.99% of people don't have.

Millerwill,
Didn't you read the original post, it says we already have them, silly. Apparently, sometime last night, Sony waved their corporate magic wand and now all of their players are 4K and automatically show 4K content...now we need to just wait around and save up all our hard-earned money to plink down for an overpriced 4K TV with NO 4K NATIVE CONTENT!

SONY, THIS PLOY WILL NOT SELL!!! (I vow to educate the ignorant masses!) We want 4K native blu-rays with backwards compatibility (at least to BD if not PS3) and then we'll bite on your overpriced displays.

Oh, and while we're at it, for 2.35:1 movies...try to do a little better than you did with BD, that 700 lines of vertical reaolution (as opposed to 1080 on 1.85:1) really sucks @$$ and takes away from the otherwise good experience.

Maybe I'm missing your subtlety, but I think I was saying just what you are:   i.e., what we really need, and don't yet have, is 4K source material--4K blurays (BD's).    There will probably be 4K games first, but I'm not a gamer, so having 4K blurays is the key for me.   (Already have a 4K display, Sony 1000, so am ready to go!)

So, I just sent an email to Sony letting them know what I want/expect out of the PS4 (damn things probably already finished)...anyway, I pasted the link below for all of us to let them know that we want, what we don't want, and what we won't buy if they F-it-up. Also, Xbox720 is going to be more competitive this time around as far as home cinema and movie playback goes...maybe if Sony blows it Xbox720 will get it right.

Email Sony and politely give them an earful:

https://s01.esupport.sony.com/US/p/contact-email.pl?template_id=1

*Yawn*

Just like the PS3 supports 1080P, right? Oh it supports it. Just terribly is all. And LOL at the PS4 coming out this year. And people get on me about saying GTA V is coming out this year. At least my theory has a remote chance of actually happening.

I suspect this will be a marketing point for Sony than anything legitimately in 4K. We are not going to see games in 4K and 4K home media will be extremely niche.

4K has been talked about in the PS4 thread if not earlier, but people still seem misunderstand what's going on. I explained it in this post:

4K TVs and 4K movies are coming no matter what the next gen systems do to support it, so the PS4 will at minimum offer compatibility with tech that will be around for a decade whether you want it or not. It would be controversial for a Playstation console to NOT support the latest video tech.

But more importantly when it comes to gaming, 4K is mainly for two areas: the ability to zoom in on textures without distortion as well as offering 1080P in 3D for some titles. These are the main gaming benefit of 4K next gen because of course 99% of consumers can't see visual improvements when simply playing a game at that rez compared to 1080P. Most games will be 720P and 1080P on the PS4. 4K will be used in a more limited fashion for the perks I described.

One of the reasons the masses are not buying 3D tv's is because a few years ago they all switched from crt boxes to flat panel tv's. Most people would like their tv to last at least 5 to 7 years. They are not going to buy a new tv every 2 years because all of a sudden 3D is here or 4K is here. The big surge in tv sales was because of the availabilaty of relatively affordable flat tv's, plasma and lcd. Seriously, most people out there don't care about resolution or bluray or stuff like that. Yes they will buy a bluray player, but once their dvd player is broken or non compatible. Yes they will buy blurays, but only if the price is very near to what they are used to pay for dvd's.

The tv companies keep trying to lift their sales again, first with 3D, now with 4K, but only the small market of HD en movie enthousiasts will follow, the masses will not.

3D isn't a REAL upgrade to most people, as everyone I know wouldn't ever buy glasses, or 3d blu-rays because they all dislike 3D.

Exactly. When given a choice (even at the theater), I'll always choose a 2D version over a 3D one. I'm convinced that the main purpose of 3D tech in televisions is as a bullet point to help justify stable pricing on TVs (since prices had been falling rapidly).

Umm, like Xbox360 and Apple have done with blu-ray? Yeah, just because its an obviously bad move doesn't mean a manufacturer won't do it to save face, or money, or face. It could happen...but if PS4 doesn't have it and XB720 does I'm not that loyal to Microsoft. The odd thing to me is, with as wide spread ad blu-ray is ($80 players in Wal-Mart) and as deep as the market penetration is, neither Apple, nor Microsoft have lifted a finger (in any of the devices they make) towards enabling their devices to be compatible...what gives? (saving face or saving money?)

I agree that the PS4 won't be released in the next year...it will be released in Japan first and we'll have to hear about it and want it for a year...that's how it always works.
Edited by pottscb - 8/23/12 at 6:21am

No, no, you're on point. I totally agree, we'll have 4K TVs LOOOOOONG before we have 4K content, unless they start putting a stamp on regular BD that says "Now compatible with our new 4K players" which is where I think the sham will come from. I say we all start paying for this garbage with $100 bills that say "Face value is only 1$ but its upscaled to $100 to coincide with your pseudo-4K products". I am proud of you for buying the 4K pj, BTW, we need early adopters to fund the release of future 4K pjs. Unfortunately, I won't be able to get one until they reach the $5K mark. (which should be just in time for 4K content, and maybe my 3 yr. old twins going off to college! j/k)

My brother works for Sony's gaming division. I know the specs for the PS4. With the specs I am aware of, it is a physical impossibility for the PS4 to support 4K anything.

This actually reminds me of when the PS3 was getting revealed and Sony themselves even touted the 1080p aspect of it to counter act the 360. Here in 2012 and the only thing that truly runs in 1080p naively on PS3 are the BluRay movies it supports. Oh, and GT5. Excuse me. One game.

Everything else is upscaled from a native resolution below 720p (a.k.a. the basement bottom HD) up to 720 or 1080p depending on the game.

I like 3D. I watched much of the olympics in 3D and prefer 3D blu-rays over 2D. My wife and kids like it too. Everyone I've showed it to thought it was really cool.

This whole argument about 4K TV is exactly the same arguments against HDTV from 15 years ago. There's no content. Cable companies don't have enough bandwidth. Unless you have a 50" TV, you can't tell the difference. Well guess what? Technology advances. People are terrible about making predictions. Things that seem impossible now, become possible in a few years. I think 4K TV will be mainstream in less than 5 years. There's too much incentive for the electronics industry to not do it. What else can they add to a new TV that will make people want to buy a new one?

When I said that the tech is coming whether console manufacturers support it or not, I meant just that. Some, like Sony, will support 4K and others will not, but the tech is coming regardless.

I didn't mean that all manufacturers traditionally support new video tech. I was only referring to Sony because that is their history on console to do that. Keep in mind that in part it is because doing so cross supports their other divisions, like Sony HDTVs and the general film industry.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the comparison of Blu-ray to the inclusion of 4K on the consoles is apples to oranges because Blu-ray tech forced a significant increase in product price when it was new. Bumping the resolution is almost free by comparison. Proof of that is how both HD consoles were capable of rendering 1080P even though it wasn't a primary focus in most games.

Since 4K won't spike the product cost on its own in any significant way, there's no issue with including it in the PS4.

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BTW, 4K is a name that is a switch from traditional resolution labels. we know of 1080P because the vertical pixel count for that rez is 1920x1080. For 4K, the resolution is 3960x2160, but I guess the official coalition of tech heads out there agreed to focus on the horizontal pixel count (rounded to 4,000 or 4K) instead of the expected 2160P to make the advance seem bigger when marketing it.
Edited by joeblow - 8/23/12 at 8:26am

4K movies are already being made. The Social Network was shot in 4K, as you can see in the second link I posted above.

Playstation 3 It almost but doesn't actually do everything.

Playstation 4 It almost but doesn't actually do everything.

Agree I'm looking forward to it.

+1
I would much rather buy a 1080 tv thats going to last me the rest of my life than the next unperceivable resolution. However, TV manufacturers wouldn't be able to continue to sell tvs out the wazooo year after year....