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post #31 of 59
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Originally Posted by elliowb View Post

Great discussion, I know this thread is a bit old, but I had some questions that I believe are related but don't think were addressed. I've recently switched all my computers over to Apple and would like to use an Apple solution. Right now I'm using iTunes and an Apple TV. However, I've also recently downloaded some hi-rez music from HD tracks, and would like to take full advantage of them. From what you say Brian, it sounds like I need to change my current setup. Do you have any suggestions? I was thinking that a Mac Mini would do the trick possibly, but I don't know enough about music servers to be sure. Right now I don't have a good quality DAC, but eventually that would be the goal. So, whatever I have coming out of the computer, I want it to be a digital signal. The Mac Mini has a USB output, so I think that would work. Or is Toslink a better connection?
Bottom line, I'm not even sure exactly what questions to ask. What do you guys suggest.
Also, just to give you some idea of the system that I'll be using, right now all I have are the speakers for my new system (of course I have an amp, but it's a not the quality that I eventually want), they are B&W 683s. I've been looking for an integrated amp. Something that my local hifi store suggested was something along the lines of a Bel Canto C5i. If I were to go that route, the C5i has what is claimed to be a good DAC and has USB as well as Toslink inputs.
Thanks,
-- Bill

A Mac Mini would work, as would the suggestion to use an Oppo (or anything else that can play hi-rez media from a connected drive), but for me, the Oppo has a fatal flaw. It will not do Gapless Playback from a USB drive. If you listen to stuff like Pink Floyd, Rush, classical music, etc., the gaps in the playback are annoying. For me, they are completely unacceptable.

One thing I do not know is if the Oppo will do gapless when streaming from a media server. If so, that would be a reasonable option.

Back to the Mac Mini, it can do 24/96 out of the combination optical/analog audio jack, and I believe 24/192 out of the USB. You would of course need an external DAC with those capabilities.

In my personal situation, my iMac is in my home office/studio, while my 2 Channel audio system is elsewhere, so I get by with streaming to an Airport Express. I am quite sure I could not hear a difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96 or 24/192, so I am OK with that approach. Most of my media is Apple Lossless rips from my CD's, so it is standard resolution. If I really get the urge to hear hi-rez, I could go through the trouble of burning a DVD and playing it on my Denon 3910, but that has proven to be more hassle than I care to undertake.

IIRC, AudioEngine makes a wireless streaming system that connects a transmitter to a Mac or PC via Optical or USB, and has a receiver/DAC device that is placed by your audio gear. It claims to do 24/96. That looked interesting, as you could use the Apple Remote app to run iTunes (which does gapless!), but it is, I think $600.

One thing for sure, there are an awful lot of ways to skin the same cat. I prefer to keep things as simple and hassle free as possible.

Brian

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post #32 of 59
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Originally Posted by glangford View Post

My simple answer to this was to buy an oppo bdp-95. It accepts inputs of 96/24 or 192/24 into its usb port. You can also set it up as a media server if you like. PS3 media server sw is free and works fine. To me the integrated amp you specify is bloated in price, lacking in useable features, and somewhat underpowered. Use an avr in a two channel mode. I use a denon 3311ci in two channel mode. Most of the time I listen to hd tracks downloads via usb thumb drive straight into the denon's usb port. The denon only accepts 96/24 files, not 192/24. You can also use small harddrives or use airplay and stream from itunes directly to a denon reciever. You can use small hard drives with the oppo as well. I have a 1tb drive which works fine with both. And last but not least you can download Burn for osx which will burn hd tracks flac files to dvd audio for use in a universal player. There are a multitude of solutions that don't require another computer to do the job.

The Oppo looks like the Swiss Army knife of digital music. That could easily take care of all my input needs. I still would like to keep everything in one place as much as possible. Part of the reason that I left the PC world was that even though they said everything played well with everything else, that was never my experience. And I'm relatively tech savvy.

I was wondering the same thing about the Bel Canto. The NAD C390DD, discussed in another thread, looks like it might be a better alternative. The B&Ws don't seem to be particularly efficient.

Thanks for your suggestions.

-- Bill
post #33 of 59
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

A Mac Mini would work, as would the suggestion to use an Oppo (or anything else that can play hi-rez media from a connected drive), but for me, the Oppo has a fatal flaw. It will not do Gapless Playback from a USB drive. If you listen to stuff like Pink Floyd, Rush, classical music, etc., the gaps in the playback are annoying. For me, they are completely unacceptable.
One thing I do not know is if the Oppo will do gapless when streaming from a media server. If so, that would be a reasonable option.
Back to the Mac Mini, it can do 24/96 out of the combination optical/analog audio jack, and I believe 24/192 out of the USB. You would of course need an external DAC with those capabilities.
In my personal situation, my iMac is in my home office/studio, while my 2 Channel audio system is elsewhere, so I get by with streaming to an Airport Express. I am quite sure I could not hear a difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96 or 24/192, so I am OK with that approach. Most of my media is Apple Lossless rips from my CD's, so it is standard resolution. If I really get the urge to hear hi-rez, I could go through the trouble of burning a DVD and playing it on my Denon 3910, but that has proven to be more hassle than I care to undertake.
IIRC, AudioEngine makes a wireless streaming system that connects a transmitter to a Mac or PC via Optical or USB, and has a receiver/DAC device that is placed by your audio gear. It claims to do 24/96. That looked interesting, as you could use the Apple Remote app to run iTunes (which does gapless!), but it is, I think $600.
One thing for sure, there are an awful lot of ways to skin the same cat. I prefer to keep things as simple and hassle free as possible.
Brian

Thanks for the info Brian. I'm building this system fairly slowly. So, since you don't notice a difference in the resolution, I'm sure that with my current amp I won't either, I may stay with the Apple TV for the moment. A couple of the HDTracks albums that I streamed over the ATV did seem to sound livelier than my other iTunes selections (they are all burned using ALAC from CDs), but that could have been my imagination. Then again, maybe the streamed HDTracks are still slightly better than burned CDs (don't know if that's true), and I'm sure that at the margin, going from a lower level to a slightly higher rez will make more difference than from 96 to 192.

-- Bill
post #34 of 59
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Originally Posted by elliowb View Post

Great discussion, I know this thread is a bit old, but I had some questions that I believe are related but don't think were addressed. I've recently switched all my computers over to Apple and would like to use an Apple solution. Right now I'm using iTunes and an Apple TV. However, I've also recently downloaded some hi-rez music from HD tracks, and would like to take full advantage of them. From what you say Brian, it sounds like I need to change my current setup. Do you have any suggestions? I was thinking that a Mac Mini would do the trick possibly, but I don't know enough about music servers to be sure. Right now I don't have a good quality DAC, but eventually that would be the goal. So, whatever I have coming out of the computer, I want it to be a digital signal. The Mac Mini has a USB output, so I think that would work. Or is Toslink a better connection?

Bottom line, I'm not even sure exactly what questions to ask. What do you guys suggest.

Also, just to give you some idea of the system that I'll be using, right now all I have are the speakers for my new system (of course I have an amp, but it's a not the quality that I eventually want), they are B&W 683s. I've been looking for an integrated amp. Something that my local hifi store suggested was something along the lines of a Bel Canto C5i. If I were to go that route, the C5i has what is claimed to be a good DAC and has USB as well as Toslink inputs.

Thanks,

-- Bill
At the very least, get an asynchronous USB DAC. The Dragonfly is the latest wunderkind, and appears to be the real thing for around $250. There are plenty of other options like the Oppo, which also gives the option of excellent disc playback in addition to hires decoding. The current version is 105 and I'd buy one now if I wasn't looking for a DAC myself!

Look at pure vinyl for software. ITunes also supports hires ALAC when reencoded via Max or other software from your hires download site of choice.

HDtracks offers a free hires album so you can see if it's for you, but don't make the comparison without a solid DAC. It really does make all the difference.

Aloha,

Griller
post #35 of 59
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Originally Posted by elliowb View Post


However, I've also recently downloaded some hi-rez music from HD tracks, and would like to take full advantage of them. From what you say Brian, it sounds like I need to change my current setup. Do you have any suggestions? I was thinking that a Mac Mini would do the trick possibly, but I don't know enough about music servers to be sure. Right now I don't have a good quality DAC, but eventually that would be the goal. So, whatever I have coming out of the computer, I want it to be a digital signal. The Mac Mini has a USB output, so I think that would work. Or is Toslink a better connection?

Apparently you didn't get the memo about so-callled Hi-Rez audio being just hype. More to the point, it doesn't take special music player hardware to take full advantage of them.

How much HiRez is hype? Just based on the provenance of the audio contained therein, about 50% of the tracks sold as being "Hi Rez" were normal rez at some point in their production cycle. Being normal rez is like having Chicken Pox - it changes the track forever and there is nothing that can be done to reverse the damage that was done. The good news is that there is no such thing as "Audio Shingles".

If there is a common unfulfilled requirement in home audio systems, it is having enough actual acoustic dynamic range to exploit normal rez or what the Red Book Audio Format can do.

One other detail that I can't find in the thread - what the rest of your playback system is composed of.
post #36 of 59
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Originally Posted by elliowb View Post

Thanks for the info Brian. I'm building this system fairly slowly. So, since you don't notice a difference in the resolution, I'm sure that with my current amp I won't either, I may stay with the Apple TV for the moment. A couple of the HDTracks albums that I streamed over the ATV did seem to sound livelier than my other iTunes selections (they are all burned using ALAC from CDs), but that could have been my imagination. Then again, maybe the streamed HDTracks are still slightly better than burned CDs (don't know if that's true), and I'm sure that at the margin, going from a lower level to a slightly higher rez will make more difference than from 96 to 192.

-- Bill

I use a first generation AppleTV with an internal 320gb hard drive to hold my music. I have about 80% of my library as 320kbps AAC and the other 20% is ALAC. Primarily I use ALAC for classical where the compression seems to fall apart, even at high bit rates.

According to wikipedia (I know, not the best source, but it's SOMETHING) the best you can get out of an AppleTV is 48Khz when using toslink. There is no mention of a higher bitrate for the HDMI, and I'm guessing the DAC is pretty poor on the ATV as it's kindof an afterthought. I was hoping to use my ATV for 24/92 tracks from HDTracks, but if I understand it correctly, it will downsample the output to 16/48. I've thought about a macmini and a dragonfly, but then I'm spending nearly $1000 to provide a way for me to spend more money on HD audio stuff. In reality, the ALAC rips sound really good off of my AppleTV, and I think I'm going to stick with that for now!

Joel
post #37 of 59
I love Apple TV. I have 3 of them, and only 1 is hooked up to a TV...lol... The other two are used for streaming from iOS devices and both are running through a Cambridge audio DacMagic. Def hook up a DAC to it, it'll work fine using only a dfo cable. I initially set them up w/ a TV, the only way to name it based on room and connect to the network.
The only downside is they can't be synced together for whole house audio. Sonos is best for that, but can be costly when doing 4+ rooms.
I'm glad to see people getting on this hidden gem. I actually have 4, but one is the big, white original w/ built in hdd. I don't count it though, as its sitting in a closet.
post #38 of 59
Does anyone have any experience with airplay in 2 or more zones. I want to stream to an extra set of powered speakers to extend sound coverage, but the problem is that the 2 zones are adjoining, and any sync differences will be heard. My thinking is that if my laptop is directly connected to my main system, and I stream using ATV or APE to the extra speakers, there will inevitably be a sync issue. The answer would probably involve having both ends streaming, but then there is still no guarantee that the music will be in sync. For this to work, and it is critical that it does so perfectly, would I need to use 2 ATV's or 2 APE's, rather than one of each? Hmmm..... I have tried a few combinations with my existing ATV, my receiver, and my external DAC; but I'm hesitant to buy another unit (ATV or APE) until I have done some more research. If anyone has any ideas, they would be greatly appreciated.

Secondly, does anyone think there would be a quality difference between audio running through HDMI and audio running over optical (toslink)? I would think that digital is digital, and that there would be no difference, but any opinions would be very welcome.
post #39 of 59
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Originally Posted by Christof24 View Post

Does anyone have any experience with airplay in 2 or more zones. I want to stream to an extra set of powered speakers to extend sound coverage, but the problem is that the 2 zones are adjoining, and any sync differences will be heard. My thinking is that if my laptop is directly connected to my main system, and I stream using ATV or APE to the extra speakers, there will inevitably be a sync issue. The answer would probably involve having both ends streaming, but then there is still no guarantee that the music will be in sync. For this to work, and it is critical that it does so perfectly, would I need to use 2 ATV's or 2 APE's, rather than one of each? Hmmm..... I have tried a few combinations with my existing ATV, my receiver, and my external DAC; but I'm hesitant to buy another unit (ATV or APE) until I have done some more research. If anyone has any ideas, they would be greatly appreciated.

Secondly, does anyone think there would be a quality difference between audio running through HDMI and audio running over optical (toslink)? I would think that digital is digital, and that there would be no difference, but any opinions would be very welcome.

I stream to several airplay zones, haven't noticed a sync issue. One zone is an Apple TV, the other an Airport Express. However, streaming to multiple zones is, at least for me, a background music function and a slight sync issue wouldn't be a problem anyway.

You won't notice a difference between optical an HDMI. Remember the limitation in streaming is 16/48, not that that's a limitation. Keep in mind that if you're using an AVR for streaming to multiple zones there could be issues in sync because of the AVR's processing. The other issue is AVRs, until recently, wouldn't feed "zone2" or "zone 3" audio from anything but an analog source, which means Airport Express, or an1st gen ATV.
post #40 of 59
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Originally Posted by has7738 View Post

I stream to several airplay zones, haven't noticed a sync issue. One zone is an Apple TV, the other an Airport Express. However, streaming to multiple zones is, at least for me, a background music function and a slight sync issue wouldn't be a problem anyway.

You won't notice a difference between optical an HDMI. Remember the limitation in streaming is 16/48, not that that's a limitation. Keep in mind that if you're using an AVR for streaming to multiple zones there could be issues in sync because of the AVR's processing. The other issue is AVRs, until recently, wouldn't feed "zone2" or "zone 3" audio from anything but an analog source, which means Airport Express, or an1st gen ATV.

Thanks. Guess I'll just have to play around with it a bit. My AVR has a 2ch direct analog input, which bypasses all signal processing. Problem is that it bypasses my sub then too. Other modes feed the sub, which sounds better owing to the fact I have satellite speakers. I will play around and see if I can find a combination that works reliably with my ATV. I have also since read that iTunes creates a delay at the source, in order to match the delay at the ATV or AE end.
Thanks for your input
post #41 of 59
Yep that's it! Switching between direct 2ch mode on the AVR, and other modes, creates a very slight delay. Adding the sub, is in itself extra processing, and creates a very short delay. If you were zoning into 2 separate rooms, no problem. My zones are too close together. This basically means that what I want to do can't be done. Using AVR as the amp is the limiting factor. The only way I could do it would be to totally change the sub config, and utilise the crossover in the sub. This would affect the 5.1 setup though, and it wouldn't be as good for movies. Having a separate LFE channel for 5.1 is what makes it great, and very simple to set up.
It's real frustrating as the delay is so small, but unfortunately the end result is really muddy. If you are close to either set of speakers you don't notice it, but in the middle it is just not right. At least I have gained a better understanding of the process, and my equipment. Essentially, there is nothing wrong with the streaming performed by the ATV, it is in sync. It's my AVR which causes the problem. I think I can adjust the delay, but only in one direction i.e. add more delay. Useful when trying to sync audio to a video source on a tv, but otherwise useless for my purposes.
My quest to create a system that is good for music and cinema, falls short at the last hurdle, which was streaming the audio to another set of speakers. Otherwise, I have achieved a good balance. Should have bought full range floor standing speakers which would have allowed me to use the 2ch direct analog input on the AVR without a sub. Unfortunately, it wasn't an option for my partner. She wanted small and discrete, no compromise.
post #42 of 59
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Originally Posted by has7738 View Post

I stream to several airplay zones, haven't noticed a sync issue. One zone is an Apple TV, the other an Airport Express. However, streaming to multiple zones is, at least for me, a background music function and a slight sync issue wouldn't be a problem anyway.

You won't notice a difference between optical an HDMI. Remember the limitation in streaming is 16/48, not that that's a limitation. Keep in mind that if you're using an AVR for streaming to multiple zones there could be issues in sync because of the AVR's processing. The other issue is AVRs, until recently, wouldn't feed "zone2" or "zone 3" audio from anything but an analog source, which means Airport Express, or an1st gen ATV.

But, if you have Apple TV in two different rooms, how do you stream music in both rooms at the same time?confused.gif
post #43 of 59
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Originally Posted by has7738 View Post

The other issue is AVRs, until recently, wouldn't feed "zone2" or "zone 3" audio from anything but an analog source, which means Airport Express, or an1st gen ATV.


Is there any way to bypass this???
My Yamaha receiver is a few years old and only does analog to my zone 2 as you stated. I would love to stream my iTunes from my ATV to the zone 2. Would I need to add an additional DAC into the mix in between the ATV and AVR?? Does that even make sense?
post #44 of 59
I need some advise. I would like to be able to take my Highrez downloads from HDTracks and play them over my setup while retaining the Highrez 24/96, (or preferably the 24/192), all the way out with no downrez'ing going on.

I plan to order a Behringer UCA-202 as my DAC. My receiver is an older Yamaha RX-V663. Are there any streaming devises under $300 that will allow me to stream and playback these 24/96 or 24/192 files through my setup?

I do have the option of connecting my HP computer to the Behringer UCA-202 then the UCA-202 directly to my RX-V663. Would this work? How should I connect the computer to the UCA-202 and then the UCA-202 to my RX-V663?
post #45 of 59
i have an onkyo cr-n 755 music system

it s a 2013 model system.i

i can use it with apple tv for music streaming with optical cable. but do i get loseless music streaming?

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/products/cr-n755-90333.html

in a review it says

"The CR-N755’s ability to play music from such a wide range of sources is its best asset. You can play CDs, plug an iPod, iPhone or flash drive into the front or back USB port or stream files from servers on your home network thanks to its DLNA v1.5 certification. Don’t forget that you can add Apple docking and AirPlay by purchasing Onkyo’s DS-A5 (£150). As you’d expect the list of supported music formats via DLNA and USB is comprehensive – MP3, WMA Lossless, FLAC, WAV, Ogg Vorbis, AAC, LPCM, Apple Lossless and DSD."



http://www.trustedreviews.com/onkyo-cr-n755_Portable-Audio_review


and there s a onkyo ds a5 dock. but it has no lightning port. old version. there s no new version

http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/products/ds-a5-87025.html
post #46 of 59
For my FLAC and iTunes collection, use a Fidelia app: http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/fidelia/

It's a superb player, and play everythink cool.gif
post #47 of 59
dear jabkata thank u.

i have an onkyo cs-n755 music system. it has optical, dlna , etc..

and i also have an apple tv

i m streaming music from spotify to my onkyo with apple tv .onkyo and apple tv connected with optical cable.

i want to ask u that does apple tv have a built in dac? and does it reduce the music quality?

i want to stream music loselessly. what do u recommend to me?

do i have to purchase an onkyo ds-a5 dock for this?

thank u very much
post #48 of 59
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Originally Posted by fulhamx5 View Post

dear jabkata thank u.

i have an onkyo cs-n755 music system. it has optical, dlna , etc..

and i also have an apple tv

i m streaming music from spotify to my onkyo with apple tv .onkyo and apple tv connected with optical cable.

i want to ask u that does apple tv have a built in dac? and does it reduce the music quality?

i want to stream music loselessly. what do u recommend to me?

do i have to purchase an onkyo ds-a5 dock for this?

thank u very much

Apple TV (since generation 2) does not have an internal DAC - you need to feed HDMI or optical out to your AVR. Works and sounds great, either way.

BTW, how are you streaming Spotify with your Apple TV? Just curious...
post #49 of 59
i stream spotify from my macbook air.
it has airplay feature

and apple tv sends to onkyo with optical cable.

simple
post #50 of 59
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Originally Posted by fulhamx5 View Post

i stream spotify from my macbook air.
it has airplay feature

and apple tv sends to onkyo with optical cable.

simple

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Originally Posted by fulhamx5 View Post

dear jabkata thank u.

i have an onkyo cs-n755 music system. it has optical, dlna , etc..

and i also have an apple tv

i m streaming music from spotify to my onkyo with apple tv .onkyo and apple tv connected with optical cable.

i want to ask u that does apple tv have a built in dac? and does it reduce the music quality?

i want to stream music loselessly. what do u recommend to me?

do i have to purchase an onkyo ds-a5 dock for this?

thank u very much

No, don't purchase the dock!
The way, you hooked up, is perfect!
Airplay, using the DAC, in Onkyo, and the sound is great.
post #51 of 59
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Originally Posted by fulhamx5 View Post

i stream spotify from my macbook air.
it has airplay feature

and apple tv sends to onkyo with optical cable.

simple

Got it... I thought you were somehow directly streaming Spotify, not just using your ATV it as an Airplay receiver from your MacBook. Thanks.
post #52 of 59
I dont' know if any of you AppleTV guys have seen it, but iTunes has a month of live concerts in the UK that have a dedicated channel on AppleTV. I've watched several of them and it's been great.
post #53 of 59
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Originally Posted by Summa View Post

I dont' know if any of you AppleTV guys have seen it, but iTunes has a month of live concerts in the UK that have a dedicated channel on AppleTV. I've watched several of them and it's been great.

Thanks dude. I'll check that out!
post #54 of 59
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Originally Posted by Weazy View Post

Thanks dude. I'll check that out!

Sure thing!

Here's a list of all the performances (from wikipedia.org)
Past shows are still available in their entirety in case you missed any that look good:

1 September: Lady Gaga + DJ White Shadow (opening for Lady Gaga)
2 September: Sigur Rós + Poliça
3 September: The Lumineers + PHOX
4 September: Paramore + Fenech-Soler
5 September: Rizzle Kicks + Eliza Doolittle
6 September: Queens of the Stone Age + Palma Violets
7 September: Phoenix + Little Green Cars (Canceled because Phoenix's singer, Thomas Mars, was ill)
8 September: Bastille + The 1975
9 September: Arctic Monkeys + Drenge
10 September: Jake Bugg + Valerie June
11 September: Kings of Leon + Jimmy Eat World
12 September: Elton John + Tom Odell
13 September: Avicii + Henrik B
14 September: Chic + Janelle Monáe
15 September: Vampire Weekend + The Olms
16 September: Jack Johnson + Bahamas
17 September: Ludovico Einaudi + Agnes Obel
18 September: Thirty Seconds to Mars + The Family Rain
19 September: Kendrick Lamar + Schoolboy Q
20 September: Primal Scream + Skinny Girl Diet
21 September: HAIM + Gabrielle Aplin + Bipolar Sunshine + Dan Croll
22 September: Ellie Goulding + Laura Welsh
23 September: Jessie J + Lawson
24 September: Robin Thicke + Aloe Blacc
25 September: Pixies + NO CEREMONY///
26 September: Tinie Tempah + Naughty Boy
27 September: Dizzee Rascal
28 September: John Legend + Tamar Braxton
29 September: Justin Timberlake + Mikky Ekko
30 September: Katy Perry + Iggy Azalea + Icona Pop[4]
post #55 of 59
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Originally Posted by Summa View Post

I dont' know if any of you AppleTV guys have seen it, but iTunes has a month of live concerts in the UK that have a dedicated channel on AppleTV. I've watched several of them and it's been great.

Hi Summa, the 2 Cellos was awesome in the September 12 Elton John performance.
post #56 of 59
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi Summa, the 2 Cellos was awesome in the September 12 Elton John performance.

I totally agree...that's one of the shows I watched from start to finish. I bought the 2 Cellos most recent album as a result of that show. And Elton still has it! I was hoping he would have performed "Empty Garden", which is one of my favorite songs of all time, but he was still great without it. I had no idea iTunes has been doing this annually since 2007!
post #57 of 59
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Originally Posted by Summa View Post

And Elton still has it! I was hoping he would have performed "Empty Garden", which is one of my favorite songs of all time, but he was still great without it. I had no idea iTunes has been doing this annually since 2007!

And plus its playing in dolby digital 5.1!
post #58 of 59
Also I'm stream Pixies live on my iPhone at work tongue.gif
post #59 of 59
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

And plus its playing in dolby digital 5.1!

The sound is quite good! I only have 2-channel where my AppleTVs are, but I was very happy with how these shows sound. I was a very happy Roku user for the last three years and really didn't expect to get AppleTV...but when my Airport Express didn't play nice with my Peachtree Nova, and Peachtree said that the AppleTV works perfectly, I went ahead and picked one up. I now have two of them and the Rokus have been collecting dust lol. What a great bargain for $89! It's become like my media hub now...this concert channel is just a nice bonus to an already amazing product!
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