The DVD Is Dying - Page 41

LOL - don't we wish.

Digital Video Revolution: Did We Miss a Step?

By Amir Majidimehr

http://www.madronadigital.com/Library/FutureHomeVideoDistribution.html

Yes, we did miss a step. That step is called giving these mass market concerns a break and truly enjoying the outdoors for the first time in decades.

I'm with the 4K people on this one. I never got in to 3D (and don't plan to) but affordable 4K is something I could get behind. Nowhere close to affordable or even widespread yet but I see it happening eventually. I don't have a lot of free time to spend watching anything currently, so when I do it's almost always a blu-ray. I have the audio and video to support it so why wouldn't I want to experience the best formats? If the streaming people can't stream 4K then I see disks remaining in play. I do, however, think that at some point in the future it's inevitable that content such as 4K will be able to be streamed. It's probably a long ways off though. My two cents.

streaming 4k is impossible with the current infrastructure.
even streaming BD quality is impossible on a large scale.

if you can download digital movies at BD quality and they are priced right I can see digital taking off.

While 4K may be the dream next format for hardware makers and studios so they can sell some goods and convince us we need to buy another disk of the same film, I myself just don't see it ever entering the mainstream ..

Joe Six Pack and Average Joe (the two most celebrated folks on AVS) is just not going to see an advantage on his 42" - 60" flat panel VS BD ..

agree.
8k is where its at.

even on 40" you can tell the difference with 8k (thats what i read somewhere)

8K is not going to be available until at least 2020 (in Japan) and no idea when in the USA. CEMs want somethiing new to sell that has a big profit margin. HDTV is no longer that something. OLED would IMO be that next something. 4K LCD is just a niche product. It's a pig with lipstick on it.

F 8K, 16K is going to be money.

I thought it was the end of this topic.I guess no

There is never an end to this topic .. it's been discussed on other threads and when this one dies down, someone will likely start another ..

UltraViolet movie format to use Dolby Digital Plus encoding

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/10/ultraviolet-movie-format-to-use-dolby-digital-plus-encoding/

I was hoping for TrueHD.
too bad.

LOL - I sincerely doubt you would ever be able to tell the difference between TrueHD and full bandwidth DD+

Remember - this isn't streaming. It's for the UV CFF - a download

There you go again....

LOL - just stating the obvious.

Did they see a difference between 720/1080? By your logic we shouldn't even have 1080 then.

Probably not. But the marketing slogan of "Full HD" has been very successful. And the reason for 1080 HTVs is that the max resolution for HDTV is, as you know, 1920x1080.

Do you remember the HDTV Shootouts from past years where the Pioneer 720P Kuros kicked the snot out of all the 1080P HDTVs from the big name CEMs?

There is more to picture quality than just how many pixels make up the image. As a matter of fact, in a list of the 4 most import picture parameters, resolution resides last:

1. Contrast Ratio
2. Gray Scale accuracy
3. Color Saturation accuracy
4. Resolution

All very true, but again, why would an "ultra HD" marketing slogan be any less successful? See what I mean? It's the "latest and greatest". Once the price point gets commoditized, and cable/sat start broadcasting in it(I believe DirecTv and Cox have already commented on this), it's bound to happen sooner than later. I doubt the average Joe even knows what the hell the 1st three things on that list are lol!

You are making a whole lot of assumptions here. You do realize that many HDTVs today are still bought for the astectic value (A hang on the wall Geroge Jeston TV!) and are never attached to any HD content source.

Mass market consumers don't care about the "latest and greatest" when it comes to home video. Only Videophiles do - a very small segment of the total market.

Just look at BD's track record - the very best PQ and AQ available and yet today, it only represents 25% of all sell-thru revenue and it's growth has slowed to less than 15%. If mass market consumers were enamored with the best PQ they could get, then why is BD not at least twice as popular as it is today?

It isn't going to be the same as HDTV where all TVs produced are HDTVs. They aren't going to switch over to 4K panel manufacturing instead of 1080 panel manufacturing. It would cost billions to do that.

The only way 4K would ever be a mass market product would be to have it MORE convinent (as in accessible) than todays HD which as you know isn't stellar. It's hard enough to deliver HD to consumers via the internet. 4K just compounds that problem 10 fold.

And what about the cost of the content? Consumers have already balked at paying the upcharge for BDs versus DVDs.

They say there is no 4K content. There is - it's a documentary called Timescapes. You can buy it right now . . . $89.95 for the memory stick version or . . . $299.99 for the Cineform Hard Drive version.

http://timescapes.org/

Oh - BTW . . . An HBO Exec has already given his opinion of 4K:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/4k090412.htm

Oh - he knows, count on that . . 2,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio! . . . 5,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio!!! . . . ad nauseum.
Edited by Lee Stewart - 9/10/12 at 6:23pm

I don't know about the credibility of any HBO executive. Recall that those guys were the rocket scientists who decreed that 2.35:1 films would be cropped to 16:9 for transmission on HBO.



Yep, lossless is lossless is lossless and lossy is, well not.

So I guess mass market consumers don't ever complain about those black bars huh?

And that HBO Exec's credibility . . . far better than anyone posting on this thread (yes myself included)

good point. I was surprised that the public actually got into the whole 1080 thing.
Just shows that if you hype it enough the public will probably eat it up.

4k + OLED would be sick.

I found this from a website ,here is a screenshot of the picture quality of vudu vs blu ray.

said this:Even the best 1080p streaming services, such as Vudu’s 1080p HDX w/ a very high speed internet, cannot match the quality of Blu Ray, especially for high-action movies. Here is a screenshot comparison of Vudu’s HDX (currently the best quality 1080p streaming sevice) vs. Blu Ray.

vudu hdx


blu ray



Zoom in and compare. Blu Ray has more detail because of its higher bitrate. Vudu’s HDX is 10 mbps average, while Blu Ray is 30 mbps average. Both use the the H.264 (AVC) video codec.

Also note that Vudu HDX charges you $5.99 for a movie rental, while you can get a Blu Ray at the local Redbox for $1.60.
Edited by losservatore - 9/10/12 at 8:31pm

Sure, some complain about the bars...and many also complain about the cropping (both subscribers and filmmakers alike). The problem is that HBO ignores the latter group. Black bars havenot affected the growth of BDs...which continues to rise. Actually, the title of this thread is a bit misleading...DVD may be dying but BD is growing. If the black bars were so offensive, would people (yes, even HBO subscribers) spend $6 - $12 a pop to stream widescreen movies from Vudu, CinemaNow, Amazon, Blockbuster, etc, as well as purchase BD discs? Cropping is antiquated...a sad holdover from the VHS days. The fact the HBO still foists it upon us is more shameful than ever.: If it weren't for their original programming, many of us wouldn't even keep HBO in this day and age.

I hear way more complaints from average people about black bars than I do about cropping. Whenever people ask me for advice (not here, in my non-HT circles) about stuff like that, it's always "I don't ever want to see black bars. How can I do this?"

I suspect HBO hears a similar proportion of complaints.

And HBO streams their movies on HBO Go in OAR