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post #1351 of 1422
9/16/12 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

Disc sales are down because:
A. Most people have not converted to BD. Thus people are not 'rebuying' their collection like they did with DVD. Many are content with their DVD collection.
B. The economy sucks.
C. DVD was a revolutionary product. It totally destroyed VHS for picture quality, sound quality, price, and durability. BD is an evolutionary product that the majority of the consumers cannot even distinguish.
D. Many alternate methods. During the DVD days the only alternative was crap VHS. Now we have streaming, illegal downloads. Plus rentals are cheaper (redbox) and more convient than ever before (netflix).
E. Movies are too long.

F. Consumers realize they rarely watch the movies they buy more than once (with the exception of kiddy titles)
G. Consumers are entrenched in the social networks - that is reducing time consumers actually watch TV.
H. Hollywood is making few movies that consumers want to own.
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Streaming is up because:
A. Netflix subscriptions are cheap as hell.
B. Economy sucks so many are cancelling cable and are streaming instead.
C. Many are using phones and tablets.

D. It is the most convinent method of getting entertainment - just press PLAY
E. Competition is rising - Amazon, Hulu Plus. Soon Verizon/Redbox. Competition rises when demand increases.
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post #1352 of 1422
9/16/12 at 11:32pm
Well Everyone is always having trouble seeing the big picture, literaly, when Streeming video is blue ray quality or better, there will be another form of media more advansed. The
HD audeo and video on net streeming, is not even close to blue ray yet, and who says the next new form of media will be a disk, it could be a chip or advansed minny drive the size of your finger nail. As for the death of dvd, it makes know sens to have a lower grade disk any more, blue rays can play on standerd TV's from the passed and new tV's today, so it was a short time for DVD's but there time has come, in the next 2 years DVD's will be gone, so up grade now or just keep streeming, at least streeming quality is a little better than DVD,
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post #1353 of 1422
9/16/12 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by eric30 View Post

Well Everyone is always having trouble seeing the big picture, literaly, when Streeming video is blue ray quality or better, there will be another form of media more advansed. The
HD audeo and video on net streeming, is not even close to blue ray yet, and who says the next new form of media will be a disk, it could be a chip or advansed minny drive the size of your finger nail. As for the death of dvd, it makes know sens to have a lower grade disk any more, blue rays can play on standerd TV's from the passed and new tV's today, so it was a short time for DVD's but there time has come, in the next 2 years DVD's will be gone, so up grade now or just keep streeming, at least streeming quality is a little better than DVD,

It has taken BD 6+ years to achieve 25% of the total optical disc sell-thru market. It you add rentals, it falls to roughly 15%. So in 2 years - BD will make a miraculuous leap in growth . . . enough to wipe out DVD. Are you aware that BD's sell-thru growth is falling? 2009 = 78%, 2010 = 68%, 2011 = 20%. What about the fact that 90% USA households have at least one DVD player while only 35% have at least one BD? That's after 6+ years and includes the PS3.

If your prognostication skills are really worth anything, what will be the biggest money making stock (NYSE) this Friday, September 21, 2012?
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post #1354 of 1422
9/17/12 at 12:14am
What do you mean by "money making stock"?
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post #1355 of 1422
9/17/12 at 12:52am
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Originally Posted by iamian View Post

What do you mean by "money making stock"?

The common stock from the NYSE that has the highest gain in share price . . . this Friday, 9/21/12. You claim to be able to tell the future - well tell THAT one. . . . give answer today Monday 9/17/12
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post #1356 of 1422
9/17/12 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by eric30 View Post

Well Everyone is always having trouble seeing the big picture, literaly, when Streeming video is blue ray quality or better, there will be another form of media more advansed. The
HD audeo and video on net streeming, is not even close to blue ray yet, and who says the next new form of media will be a disk, it could be a chip or advansed minny drive the size of your finger nail. As for the death of dvd, it makes know sens to have a lower grade disk any more, blue rays can play on standerd TV's from the passed and new tV's today, so it was a short time for DVD's but there time has come, in the next 2 years DVD's will be gone, so up grade now or just keep streeming, at least streeming quality is a little better than DVD,

What would be the point of owning a "standard TV from the past" and using a BD player/disk .. ??
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post #1357 of 1422
9/17/12 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by eric30 View Post

blue rays can play on standerd TV's from the passed

Only if you have an older blu-ray player. I think most newer players have gone HDMI only.


I suppose you could throw a converter in there, but... ew?
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post #1358 of 1422
9/17/12 at 12:38pm
With a converter the player will probably need to output 1080i or you'll get two funny looking fields on a set with component. Since my set is a 2000 Pioneer HDTV it only has component and not even an ATSC turner. I got an HDMI converter (HDFury) so that streaming would work without being downverted. However as much as I like the quality of the picture on the RPTV (everything looks like film) I will eventually move to an LCD set so my 1080p and 720p devices will work.
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post #1359 of 1422
9/17/12 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

Only if you have an older blu-ray player. I think most newer players have gone HDMI only.

The Analog Sunset only affects Component Output - no more HD from them. Can only be SD. I don't believe there is any restriction to having an RCA Video (yellow) output. Though in looking at a handful of current BD player modes, few if any have one.
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post #1360 of 1422
9/17/12 at 5:31pm
Yeah, I don't think the manufacturers were ever restricted, but they just don't bother with SD output anymore. Why would they, since you can't buy anything but an HD display now anyway?

My dad still has an SD TV, and doesn't want to bother with buying a new one. He does have an older Sony BD player (2007 or 2008, can't remember), because his DVD player conked out and I figured if he does get an HDTV, he ought to have something that'll play DVDs and BDs. It still had composite video, so it works with his TV. Yeah, it's overkill for now, but the TV could join the DVD player on the recycle heap and he could have an HDTV tomorrow.

My BD player is a newer model (2011) and only has HDMI out.
Edited by Tulpa - 9/17/12 at 5:38pm
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post #1361 of 1422
9/17/12 at 5:57pm
I just checked Amazon, and the first Sony Bluray player that I checked has HDMI as well as composite outputs. Component output jacks are no longer there.

If you have a "small screen" television, composite looks just fine anyhow for DVD content.
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post #1362 of 1422
9/17/12 at 6:15pm
Actually, scratch that. Mine does have composite out, and even still has component out. It was the other Onkyo model I was thinking of that had HDMI only (Sharp rebadge, I believe.)
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post #1363 of 1422
9/18/12 at 5:02pm
Who said that there are no extras if you buy a Digital Download?

http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/374369/Prometheus-Bundle
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post #1364 of 1422
9/18/12 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Who said that there are no extras if you buy a Digital Download?
http://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/374369/Prometheus-Bundle

2 alternate scenes? LOL

There are iTunes extras as well (I buy my downloads on iTunes) but they never compare to their dvd/Blu-ray counterparts for obvious reasons.
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post #1365 of 1422
9/18/12 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

2 alternate scenes? LOL
There are iTunes extras as well (I buy my downloads on iTunes) but they never compare to their dvd/Blu-ray counterparts for obvious reasons.

It's a start - like offerring the Digital HD movie 3 weeks before OD and VOD wink.gif
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post #1366 of 1422
9/19/12 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Keep dreaming then.
ISP's are moving more towards data caps and tiered data services, not away from them. How many 20-50GB files are you going to stream/DL a month, and at what cost? Maybe if Google or the Gov pushed Broadband OTA or something else soon...
Disc might end up dying, but it's going to be because of ultra cheap solid state media eventually. Think how big, yet tiny flash has become. Soon it'll be as cheap as discs to produce. Savings on shipping and distribution will then allow them better margins while passing on a few % savings to consumers (make media cheaper).


...and I remember when Steve Jobs said the words, " no floppy disc drive."
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post #1367 of 1422
9/19/12 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by AZAVJunkie View Post

...and I remember when Steve Jobs said the words, " no floppy disc drive."

jobs never said no physical media either.
be it flash memory or harddisk.
we will never be 100% cloud, ever.
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post #1368 of 1422
9/19/12 at 7:05am
^^^

"never" is a very long time.... smile.gif

there was once a time where i wrote code on punch cards and paper tape too...

there was once a time when i had a 300 baud modem and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread...

there was once a time where dick tracy's "2-way wrist radio" was "science fiction"...

there was once a time when you had to go into a bank and talk to a teller to get money...

and so on...

besides, if you get your way on movies being shorter, it makes it even easier to move to a "hardware free" distribution system... tongue.gif
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post #1369 of 1422
9/19/12 at 7:37am
registered with vudu/UV this morning but forgot it was US only... I still got the free movie though! smile.gif
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post #1370 of 1422
9/19/12 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
"never" is a very long time.... smile.gif
there was once a time where i wrote code on punch cards and paper tape too...
there was once a time when i had a 300 baud modem and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread...
there was once a time where dick tracy's "2-way wrist radio" was "science fiction"...
there was once a time when you had to go into a bank and talk to a teller to get money...
and so on...
besides, if you get your way on movies being shorter, it makes it even easier to move to a "hardware free" distribution system... tongue.gif

all true.
but why do we still have cash?

there are some things that will never disappear.
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post #1371 of 1422
9/19/12 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

F. Consumers realize they rarely watch the movies they buy more than once (with the exception of kiddy titles)
G. Consumers are entrenched in the social networks - that is reducing time consumers actually watch TV.
H. Hollywood is making few movies that consumers want to own.
D. It is the most convinent method of getting entertainment - just press PLAY
E. Competition is rising - Amazon, Hulu Plus. Soon Verizon/Redbox. Competition rises when demand increases.

You make some good points. AVS'ers tend to be niche folks, despite what some delusional AVS'ers might want to be believe, our taste, wants, needs, desires, typically exceeds what he average consumer would find acceptable.

While streaming is nice, we get to sit on sofas and get even fatter, it comes up short for what most of us want. The audio is simply unacceptable compared to Blu Ray, I don't know why that's so, but it is.
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post #1372 of 1422
9/19/12 at 12:08pm
Heres the problem with streaming:

You are watching a great movie. The climax of the moving is near and then.....................................................................................buffer........................buffer............................................broken images.................

Thats just unacceptable.

For casual watching I'm all for stream. But for an 'event' movie no way am I going to be at the mercy of my ISP.
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post #1373 of 1422
9/19/12 at 12:08pm
I'm a fan of extras but watch them less and less these days so I don't mind a rental disc so much. Only if the film merits the extras do I miss them. But some discs that are at Redbox aren't always a rental edition and have the extras (Sony and Lionsgate for example). What they don't have yet online are the movies with commentaries. They could do that with an alternate streamed track. I watched "Red State" streaming when it came out and the extras too on VUDU. Kevin Smith always seems to have interesting extras.
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post #1374 of 1422
9/19/12 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

Heres the problem with streaming:
You are watching a great movie. The climax of the moving is near and then.....................................................................................buffer........................buffer............................................broken images.................
Thats just unacceptable.
For casual watching I'm all for stream. But for an 'event' movie no way am I going to be at the mercy of my ISP.

You should get high speed broadband service. Sound like you're still using a dial up modem.tongue.gif
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post #1375 of 1422
9/19/12 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

You should get high speed broadband service. Sound like you're still using a dial up modem.tongue.gif

sound like you haven't stream many movies.
buffering cannot be avoided 100% unless the movie is downloaded.
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post #1376 of 1422
9/19/12 at 12:36pm
Buffering happens to me as often as a damaged DVD or Blu-ray, which is almost never. And while buffering is annoying, it always resumes and you see the whole movie. A damaged DVD often has permanent data loss and either jumps over an entire section or stops playing entirely, necessitating replacement.
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post #1377 of 1422
9/19/12 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

Buffering happens to me as often as a damaged DVD or Blu-ray, which is almost never. And while buffering is annoying, it always resumes and you see the whole movie. A damaged DVD often has permanent data loss and either jumps over an entire section or stops playing entirely, necessitating replacement.

I regualry got buffering using Netflix.
I ain't spending $100 on ISP so my buffering is smooth
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post #1378 of 1422
9/19/12 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I regualry got buffering using Netflix.
I ain't spending $100 on ISP so my buffering is smooth

Who charges $100?
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post #1379 of 1422
9/19/12 at 1:49pm
Viacom CEO: Declining DVD Sales Have Altered Moviemaking Economics
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Viacom CEO Philippe Dauman told an investor group that ongoing slowdown of DVD sales of new release movies continue to reverberate through Hollywood leading studios to rework the entire economics of moviemaking, among other issues.

Speaking Sept. 19 at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia Conference in New York, Dauman said multiplatform pay-TV platform Epix (which is co-owned by Viacom-owned Paramount Pictures), Redbox and subscription video-on-demand services continue to supplant slumping DVD sales only to a point.

Dauman said previous assumptions regarding packaged media sales of movie have changed to the point that when greenlighting a feature film, Paramount has restructured deals made with actors, producers and directors to better reflect a “partnership” relationship on the economics of the film than a high upfront cost.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/paramount/viacom-ceo-declining-dvd-sales-have-altered-moviemaking-economics-28359

SEE LINK FOR ENTIRE ARTICLE
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post #1380 of 1422
9/19/12 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I ain't spending $100 on ISP so my buffering is smooth

I don't spend $100 on my ISP. Not even half that.

Buffering is a non-issue for me. VUDU, Netflix, whatever.
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