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post #301 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

how much does it cost to 'own' a UV movie?
does it go on your harddrive?
can you burn it on a disc?
how much does that disc cost?
what if your harddrive crashes?
I don't see physical media disappearing for at least 20 years.
Why should i even think about something that wont happen for two decades.
Look at CD's. They still produce those and mp3 have been out for ages and mp3 prices and delivery are 1000x better than streaming video.

Take some time to educate yourself on Hollywood's new digital foray; Ultraviolet:

http://www.uvdemystified.com/uvfaq.html
post #302 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Fire . . . Robbery . . . lending out and never getting your disc back - none of these affect cloud based ownership.

but that assumes you have access to the cloud
post #303 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

but that assumes you have access to the cloud

Internet - that's all you need.
post #304 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

how much does it cost to 'own' a UV movie?

Varies, but about the same as the comparable Blu-ray, and they promotions now that can get you a UV copy for just a couple of dollars.
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does it go on your harddrive?

No, it's stored on a remote server.
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can you burn it on a disc?

No, but most wouldn't want it to be, as they want to access it through the cloud. Same way GoogleDocs and other cloud services work. It's to decrease the amount of physical media in your home and increase accessibility, so if you're on the road, you can access your movie collection.

Many hotels are now allowing the in-room TVs to be connected to mobile devices/laptops, so you can access your Ultraviolet movies and play them. All without lugging discs around.

And as Lee said, if you experience a fire or theft, your movies aren't harmed. They're safe on remote servers.

Also, given the flakiness of consumer disc burning, storing on something else is a better option anyway.
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how much does that disc cost?

See above.
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what if your harddrive crashes?

I'd suggest getting a new one through NewEgg or something, but it's irrelevant to the accessibility to your Ultraviolet movies, as they're available on any device that can access them. Computers, blu-ray players, mobile devices, etc.
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I don't see physical media disappearing for at least 20 years.

Quite optimistic (or pessimistic, depending on your viewpoint.)
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Why should i even think about something that wont happen for two decades.

Because it'll be less than two decades.
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Look at CD's. They still produce those and mp3 have been out for ages and mp3 prices and delivery are 1000x better than streaming video.

CDs are back to being a niche. Plus, video formats tend to not do as well as audio formats. We still have LPs and CDs, but not laserdiscs or VHS/Beta tapes.
Edited by Tulpa - 9/3/12 at 4:23pm
post #305 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Internet - that's all you need.

exactly.
internet down? no movies.
cable down? no movies.
many places and people dont have a high speed connection.
post #306 of 1422
Is discussion is as relevant as the flat screen tvs are dying. Holograms will take its place in 20 years.

Of course eventually streaming will have 90% of the market but it wont be for at least 20 years.

And even then you still will be able to get physical copies of movies (legally or illegally)

I dont see what all the drama is about.
post #307 of 1422
I know that streaming could save the movie company's millions of money and can potentially affect piracy, but there still many many years to finally go completely to that route.



They have a long route to improve that technology ,There are so many problems that involve streaming.You do the list.

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post #308 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

exactly.
internet down? no movies.
cable down? no movies.
many places and people dont have a high speed connection.

Again, you are stuck on this streaming only thing - that's incorrect. You can download a movie to your PC's harddrive. Internet goes down? No big deal, you have your downloaded movies to watch at any time, just like disc only no physical media involved.

Yes, many areas of the USA do not have high speed internet (broadband) but currently over 70% do.
post #309 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post


Because it'll be less than two decades.
CDs are back to being a niche. Plus, video formats tend to not do as well as audio formats. We still have LPs and CDs, but not laserdiscs or VHS/Beta tapes.

CD's are niche? LOL. last year they had 49% of the market.
post #310 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

exactly.
internet down? no movies.
cable down? no movies.
many places and people dont have a high speed connection.

+1, It's that simple.
post #311 of 1422
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I know that streaming could save the movie company's millions of money and can potentially affect piracy, but there still many many years to finally go completely to that route.

It may never be one or the other. Frankly, those days are over. The home video market is so fractured with so many choices available to consumers as to how they can get their movies. It isn't like 1995 when choices were very few.
post #312 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Again, you are stuck on this streaming only thing - that's incorrect. You can download a movie to your PC's harddrive. Internet goes down? No big deal, you have your downloaded movies to watch at any time, just like disc only no physical media involved.
Yes, many areas of the USA do not have high speed internet (broadband) but currently over 70% do.

okay so you download the movie. Now your harddrive crashes. You have no internet. LOL.

And why the hell would i want to waste 1000GB on my harddrive for movies?
post #313 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

exactly.
internet down? no movies.
cable down? no movies.
many places and people dont have a high speed connection.

My Internet connection has been continuously active for several years, with very infrequent outages for less than an hour. I can go read a book if it came down to it. It's not like the AOL days anymore.

And while there are places without high speed yet, it's coming (my uncle's farm in Kansas has broadband now, they stream Netflix.)

Plus, many BDs need BD Live. You know what that needs? INTERNET.

You also have to have firmware updates for BD players. You know what that needs? INTERNET.
post #314 of 1422
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

+1, It's that simple.

LOL - it may be simple but it definitely is incorrect.
post #315 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

okay so you download the movie. Now your harddrive crashes. You have no internet. LOL.

Reductio ad absurdum, but I'll play along.

In that case, whip out your cellphone and watch movies there until your internet comes back up and your new harddrive comes in (although in my case I have HDD backups, so no big deal.)
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And why the hell would i want to waste 1000GB on my harddrive for movies?

Why waste shelf space for 120 BDs?
post #316 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

Why waste shelf space for 120 BDs?

ask my grandmother or even my father if they have 2 Terrabytes of space to download movies to. Dream on.

now you have to BACKUP 2 terrabytes every week or else you may lose all your movies also. Ridiculous.
post #317 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

okay so you download the movie. Now your harddrive crashes. You have no internet. LOL.

I am sure you can think of scenerios that are theoritical - but the question is . . . do they really happen? And who in their right mind has a single hard drive in their PC? HD's are so cheap, it costs very little to have a second one as a mirror backup to your main drive. And please spare us the scenerio of both crashing.

I can easily paint a picture of your house being robbed and the theif stealing all of your BDs. With Ultraviolet, you will be able to re-download all the movies you own when you buy another PC - the thief took yours. tongue.gif
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And why the hell would i want to waste 1000GB on my harddrive for movies?

The cost of 1 TB HDs are so low now so the question is why not? No having to loads discs - just access your movie and press play right from the couch - no getting up.
post #318 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

CD's are niche? LOL. last year they had 49% of the market.

In the mid 90s they had 90% of the market.

No young person buys CDs. Why would they when everything they own plays mp3s or streams music?
post #319 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

ask my grandmother or even my father if they have 2 Terrabytes of space to download movies to. Dream on.
now you have to BACKUP 2 terrabytes every week or else you may lose all your movies also. Ridiculous.

Lose a movie? Just re-download it. It's that simple.
post #320 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

ask my grandmother or even my father if they have 2 Terrabytes of space to download movies to. Dream on.

Your grandmother or father aren't the market. Kids and young people today regularly have computers with 2TB drives. Internet going down is much rarer now than it used to be.
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now you have to BACKUP 2 terrabytes every week or else you may lose all your movies also. Ridiculous.

You don't lose them, they're in the cloud. Accessible on any internet device or smartphone, which most people already have.

You get a new hard drive to replace the crapped out one? Just sign in and redownload. For free (they keep track of what you own.)
post #321 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

In the mid 90s they had 90% of the market.
No young person buys CDs. Why would they when everything they own plays mp3s or streams music?

You are the one who called CD's niche, not me. When 49% of the market is niche, LOL!!!!

So who buys CD's? The same people who will continue to buy physical media DVD/Bluray/4k for the next two decades.

Like i said, in 20 years streaming will have a 90% marketshare.

But by them direct-to-brain movies will be out anyway (movies 'downloaded' directly to your brain)
post #322 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

CD's are niche? LOL. last year they had 49% of the market.

And that market is half was it was 10 years ago.
post #323 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

okay so you download the movie. Now your harddrive crashes. You have no internet. LOL.

Reductio ad absurdum, but I'll play along.

In that case, whip out your cellphone and watch movies there until your internet comes back up and your new harddrive comes in (although in my case I have HDD backups, so no big deal.)
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And why the hell would i want to waste 1000GB on my harddrive for movies?

Why waste shelf space for 120 BDs?

I dont get it... If you defend the streaming so much, Why you still have a vhs player in you set up and a cassette player? don't you prefer streaming? or you just trolling around ,I don't have vhs or a cassette player for so long that I don't even remember. LOL biggrin.gif
post #324 of 1422
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I dont get it... If you defend the streaming so much, Why you still have a vhs player in you set up and a cassette player? don't you prefer streaming? or you just trolling around ,I don't have vhs or a cassette player for so long that I don't even remember. LOL biggrin.gif

What I use personally is irrelevant to the truth about streaming. Yes, I have a VHS player, to play a few VHS tapes that aren't on anything else. I also have a Blu-ray player and an Ultraviolet account, a Netflix account, and a VUDU rental account. You didn't mention any of that.

I'm progressive on all fronts. smile.gif It allows me to be knowledgeable about each one of those formats.

But none of that takes away from what I'm saying. Sog35 has been misinformed about how UV works. Lee and I are merely correcting him.
Edited by Tulpa - 9/3/12 at 4:46pm
post #325 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

Your grandmother or father aren't the market. Kids and young people today regularly have computers with 2TB drives. Internet going down is much rarer now than it used to be.
You don't lose them, they're in the cloud. Accessible on any internet device or smartphone, which most people already have.
You get a new hard drive to replace the crapped out one? Just sign in and redownload. For free (they keep track of what you own.)

Tulpa:

Best to give it up. He has no understanding of the true digital marketplace. All he has is a preconcieved notion of what it entales. You can easily tell by his questions and mocked up scenerios.
post #326 of 1422
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

You are the one who called CD's niche, not me. When 49% of the market is niche, LOL!!!!

It's shrinking and less than half. That's niche.

The most viable market segment for music does nothing but downloading and streaming.
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So who buys CD's? The same people who will continue to buy physical media DVD/Bluray/4k for the next two decades.
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And none of them drive the overall market.
post #327 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Tulpa:
Best to give it up. He has no understanding of the true digital marketplace. All he has is a preconcieved notion of what it entales. You can easily tell by his questions and mocked up scenerios.

Yeah, I agree. I started realizing that when he came up with Internet going down with a harddrive crash simultaneously. So one person having a very bad day is cause to not go ahead with streaming/downloading. biggrin.gif
post #328 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I dont get it... If you defend the streaming so much, Why you still have a vhs player in you set up and a cassette player? don't you prefer streaming? or you just trolling around ,I don't have vhs or a cassette player for so long that I don't even remember. LOL biggrin.gif

What I use personally is irrelevant to the truth about streaming. Yes, I have a VHS player, to play a few VHS tapes that aren't on anything else. I also have a Blu-ray player and an Ultraviolet account, a Netflix account, and a VUDU rental account.

I'm progressive on all fronts. smile.gif

But none of that takes away from what I'm saying. Sog35 has been misinformed about how UV works. Lee and I are merely correcting him.

This is you own comment on the thread :I still have a ton of cassettes and don't feel like rebuying them in CD mp3 whatever the new format is format.

I still dont get eek.gif if you are claiming that streaming and owning a digital movie is the best way, Why you keep tons of cassettes lol.Dont you want to go that route biggrin.gif
post #329 of 1422
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

I dont get it... If you defend the streaming so much, Why you still have a vhs player in you set up and a cassette player? don't you prefer streaming? or you just trolling around ,I don't have vhs or a cassette player for so long that I don't even remember. LOL biggrin.gif

It isn't a case of "defending streaming" at all. It is a case of looking at the current market . . . where it is today . . . where it was just 5 years ago and where it might be 5 years from now.

Try broadening your horizon. Videophiles don't drive the home video market . . . mass market consumers do.
post #330 of 1422
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Originally Posted by losservatore View Post

This is you own comment on the thread :I still have a ton of cassettes and don't feel like rebuying them in CD mp3 whatever the new format is format.I still dont get eek.gif if you are claiming that streaming and owning a digital movie is the best way, Why you keep tons of cassettes lol.Dont you want to go that route biggrin.gif

Are those movies that he owns on VHS even available digitally?
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