Need recommendations on a center channel to put between 2 definitive technology 800 speakers. I have $200.00 to spend.
Not really. Any horizontal array will have lobing problems whether it is an MTM or an MT bookshelf design.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyng_fool /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22346352
Putting the same speaker on its side will sound better. Having the tweeter aligned directly with the woofers gives you more horizontal lobing.. Read this article to find out why having a two way on its side is better than that center.
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22349187
Not really. Any horizontal array will have lobing problems whether it is an MTM or an MT bookshelf design.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick240 /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22349270
...but if I've understood your, and others, comments correctly...
...the MT will have lobing only in the crossover region
...whereas the MTM will have lobing in the entire range of the two Ms plus the crossover range
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Originally Posted by rick240 /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22349270
...but if I've understood your, and others, comments correctly...
...the MT will have lobing only in the crossover region
...whereas the MTM will have lobing in the entire range of the two Ms plus the crossover range
In theory. However, the lobing is dependent on driver spacing and only significant when the driver spacing exceeds 1 or 1/2 wavelength (depending on who you believe). Thus, "the two Ms" will have problems only at the upper end of their ranges and not at the lower end. So, it comes out to the same issue: Major lobing problems are generally in the crossover range, regardless of the number of drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyng_fool /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22349749
Exactly.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/vertical-vs-horizontal-speaker-designs
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Originally Posted by cowboys88 /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22345627
Need recommendations on a center channel to put between 2 definitive technology 800 speakers. I have $200.00 to spend.
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22351285
I still say getting one of his L/R will still be the best match since it's the exact same speaker.
Not everyone hears the problems and that's OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kini62 /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22351522
+1
I have SuperZero 2s and use one laid over on its side for a center and notice no issues whatsoever.
I'm ok, you're ok, we're all ok!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22352198
Not everyone hears the problems and that's OK.
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22352419
I'm ok, you're ok, we're all ok!
Nope. In fact, it can be ameliorated with controlled dispersion but that kind of sophistication is beyond most middle-market products.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyng_fool /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22354659
You're not making any compromises if the tweeter radiates equally in all directions.
There are plenty of middle market controlled dispersion speakers. Or am I not understanding your response?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22354815
Nope. In fact, it can be ameliorated with controlled dispersion but that kind of sophistication is beyond most middle-market products.
The point I was making is that "if the tweeter radiates equally in all directions" it will not resolve the lobing problems associated with horizontally arrayed drivers. In fact, controlled dispersion is possible way to ameliorate the problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyng_fool /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22354871
There are plenty of middle market controlled dispersion speakers. Or am I not understanding your response?
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay1 /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22355716
The vertical null of a TM system is a phase alignment issue, it doesnt matter if it's CD or not. The best compromise for most people should be a vertical TM under the screen tilted back slightly.
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Originally Posted by Jay1 /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22355716
The vertical null of a TM system is a phase alignment issue, it doesnt matter if it's CD or not. The best compromise for most people should be a vertical TM under the screen tilted back slightly.
ah, I see what you meant now. I guess my point was if the tweeter radiates equally in all directions, then laying it on its side would not make it sound differently, right? (at least I think so, I still have much to learn)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22355622
The point I was making is that "if the tweeter radiates equally in all directions" it will not resolve the lobing problems associated with horizontally arrayed drivers. In fact, controlled dispersion is possible way to ameliorate the problems.
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool /t/1426431/center-channel-recommendations#post_22356773
ah, I see what you meant now. I guess my point was if the tweeter radiates equally in all directions, then laying it on its side would not make it sound differently, right? (at least I think so, I still have much to learn).