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post #151 of 595
I just pounced on five GC-100's. Can't go wrong at ~$25 a pop.
post #152 of 595
Sorry, don't mean to turn this into a GC-100 thread, but for an average theater, would one unit be enough?
post #153 of 595
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Originally Posted by BllDo View Post

Sorry, don't mean to turn this into a GC-100 thread, but for an average theater, would one unit be enough?

For general automation, most likely one will be enough.

I am looking forward to the day that everything can be controlled via IP. No more IR or interface boxes.
post #154 of 595
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No problem BllDo. A single GC-100 should be adequate for most theaters.

The only major difference between the ones on the 'bay and some of the other available models is that it only supports one connection. So only one device (ie iPad) can connect at a time.

As long as this is strictly for a theater, one connection is probably fine since you will have only one remote. There are plenty of IR outputs, a serial connection and relay connections (so you can activate screen masking or powered shades etc).

I've been thinking about how to implement mine and so far I think..
-IR to the projector
-IR to the equipment
-IR to the Grafik Eye
-serial to my HAI thermostat so I can control temp and see current temp from tablet

Trying to figure out what I could use the relays for.. If I went with RGB strips (which I am not), the relays could be used to change between colors.


Tim
post #155 of 595
Great thanks. Just picked one up.
post #156 of 595
I picked up two because for the price I figured better safe than sorry.
post #157 of 595
Tim,

You must be hard at work in the theater. Haven't heard from you in a while. Any updates?
post #158 of 595
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Just got back from two weeks of vacation in sunny FL. A little rain today, so the shade tree woodworking shop probably won't open today. I have to get down to the theater and regroup.

Tim
post #159 of 595
I bought three of the GC-100-12 units as well.

All of mine came with v2.x firmware, and Roomie and iRule won't recognize them until they're updated to v3.x. They can't be updated in the field, and have to be sent in to Global Cache for updating, at $35 each.

Still turns out a LOT cheaper than buying new, but something to keep in mind.
post #160 of 595
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Originally Posted by KorbenD View Post

I bought three of the GC-100-12 units as well.

All of mine came with v2.x firmware, and Roomie and iRule won't recognize them until they're updated to v3.x. They can't be updated in the field, and have to be sent in to Global Cache for updating, at $35 each.

Still turns out a LOT cheaper than buying new, but something to keep in mind.

Thanks for the info. What wasn't working for you with the old firmware? iRule seems to indicate they support the old firmware, but lack certain functionality like IR Blaster and sensor support. Not sure I need those features, but frankly I had no idea about the firmware until you mentioned it.

I guess I could ship all 3 for ~$100 and still be way ahead of the game. Thanks!

Tim
post #161 of 595
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Originally Posted by KorbenD View Post

I bought three of the GC-100-12 units as well.

All of mine came with v2.x firmware, and Roomie and iRule won't recognize them until they're updated to v3.x. They can't be updated in the field, and have to be sent in to Global Cache for updating, at $35 each.

Still turns out a LOT cheaper than buying new, but something to keep in mind.

I haven't even checked mine yet. I guess I should plug them in and see if they even work.
post #162 of 595
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A little progress (that took a lot of work):
IMG_1594.JPG


I got both of the Grafik Eyes talking to each other and the GRX-TVI working. The manual for the TVI clearly states there is mechnical relay noise.. do not install where noise is an issue.. They weren't kidding! The on-off clunk is like something out of Frankenstein. Luckily I can just set it to 1% which will keep it on and avoid the clunk other than the initial power-on. It's also in a closet with DD+GG and solid core door, so the noise probably won't even be noticeable.

Right now for zones:

GE1Z1: Screen downlights (4-3" pinhole cans)
GE1Z2: Seating downlights (6-3" cans)
GE1Z3: Speaker accent lights (3-PAR20 lampholders)
GE1Z4: Spare

GE2Z1: Rear downlights (4-3" cans)
GE2Z2: Walkway downlights (3-3" cans)
GE2Z3: Step lights (4- Nora steplights, 1 Progress steplight)
GE2Z4: Soffit lights (LED strip lights via GRX-TVI and Mean Well power supply)

For scenes I can't think of many I would need:

Scene 1 - Cleanup: all ceiling cans on
Scene 2- Entrance: set the lights for people to sit and get ready for the movie
Scene 3- Movie: dim the lights to the appropriate levels for movie viewing
Scene 3- Traffic: movie is still playing, but bring up some of the lights for people to ingress/egress
Scene 4- Intermission: movie is paused, bring up lights a bit more

Still gluing up frames for the columns...

Tim
post #163 of 595
I bought 2 gc-100-12s too, haven't checked them out though. I can't believe there is no way to field update the firmware???
post #164 of 595
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Originally Posted by xjagox View Post

I bought 2 gc-100-12s too, haven't checked them out though. I can't believe there is no way to field update the firmware???

Just checked mine. They are both firmware 2.x as well. A quick search confirms that these units cannot be upgraded without sending them in. I guess I will decide exactly how I will use them before paying to upgrade them.
post #165 of 595
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Originally Posted by xjagox View Post

I bought 2 gc-100-12s too, haven't checked them out though. I can't believe there is no way to field update the firmware???

I agree. There is an EEPROM in the system, but it's only 256k for storing settings and nothing else. I made sure to read one of them, and that was all that was on it. The main program is stored on a surface mounted PIC chip. I don't have the required clips to reprogram one in-circuit (if I even had the code).

Roomie wouldn't even detect the GC-100 until the update. I believe iRule only showed it as an Aux device and I couldn't do anything with it as far as IR output.

The return was pretty painless. They only had the unit for a day or two before it was on its way back. I'm about to send in my other two to get the update.

https://globalcache.zendesk.com/entries/162146-faq-gc-100-firmware-upgrades
post #166 of 595
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Originally Posted by KorbenD View Post

I agree. There is an EEPROM in the system, but it's only 256k for storing settings and nothing else. I made sure to read one of them, and that was all that was on it. The main program is stored on a surface mounted PIC chip. I don't have the required clips to reprogram one in-circuit (if I even had the code).

Roomie wouldn't even detect the GC-100 until the update. I believe iRule only showed it as an Aux device and I couldn't do anything with it as far as IR output.

The return was pretty painless. They only had the unit for a day or two before it was on its way back. I'm about to send in my other two to get the update.

https://globalcache.zendesk.com/entries/162146-faq-gc-100-firmware-upgrades

Funny how they make such a simple thing into a big ordeal to save 50 cents on a socket and a PDIP chip. I have a PIC programmer, but even if you had to mail in and swap chips (or just buy new ones), it would be a lot cheaper for both parties, I'm sure.

I guess they've corrected this with the iTach.
post #167 of 595
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

Just checked mine. They are both firmware 2.x as well. A quick search confirms that these units cannot be upgraded without sending them in. I guess I will decide exactly how I will use them before paying to upgrade them.

I checked mine out too. 2.0.8-12r2
post #168 of 595
Hi Tim,

FYI all, The GC units work fine with Irule with old firmware if they are not defective. The problem with the old firmware is it doesnt beacon itself on the network and a couple other belles and whistles. If you dont know the IP address you have to do a factory reset and the GC should default to 192.168.1.70. Factory reset is done by shorting pins 2-7 on serial connection #1 during power up.

No matter which firmware you have i dont think the GC-100 series bridges support more than one connection at a time.

My first one off the bay wouldnt reset and i had to send it back. While i was already paying for shipping i picked up another.

Ive got one completely integrated in the theater running old firmware and works great. Best $30 mod i ever did.

Anyone thinking about irule though be prepared for a steep learning curve, it takes a minute to get it IMO.

NH out.
post #169 of 595
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Thanks for the info Nick. I thought there may be a way to use it without upgrading.. as the iRule staff did confirm as much. I just didn't know what functionality was missing.

I haven't tested mine, what are you guys doing to check it? I was thinking crossover cable to the laptop, then wireshark to figure out what IP it's using.

Everything I've read confirms it only supports 1 connection. You need the iTach to support multiple. In my own case I will only need one, so hopefully it will work well.

Tim

edit: I checked all 3 of mine: 2.0.8-12r2
Edited by Mr.Tim - 1/18/13 at 9:22am
post #170 of 595
I use a network scanning tool(app) on my iphone called Fing. It scans network and reports all IPs found. Helpful if your like me and don't write down all those static IPs and don't want to setup a conflict. If you successfully reset your unit, it should show up on IP XXX.XXX.X.70 when plugged into the network.

I tried a crossover cable and that was the supposed "preferred" method but mine never would show up that way. However, once reset and plugged into the network, it showed up on that .70 IP address. You just type the IP address into your browser and configure like you would any router.
post #171 of 595
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

I use a network scanning tool(app) on my iphone called Fing. It scans network and reports all IPs found. Helpful if your like me and don't write down all those static IPs and don't want to setup a conflict. If you successfully reset your unit, it should show up on IP XXX.XXX.X.70 when plugged into the network.

I tried a crossover cable and that was the supposed "preferred" method but mine never would show up that way. However, once reset and plugged into the network, it showed up on that .70 IP address. You just type the IP address into your browser and configure like you would any router.

I ended up setting my laptop interface to 192.168.1.1, reset the GC-100s and used a crossover cable. My home network runs on 192.168.2.0 so I had to change them.

Tim
post #172 of 595
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I've been a bit under the weather for about a week. I think I've had about every -itis there is, including a nice bout of conjunctivitis on Friday. Meds on board now, so back into the basement, cough be damned!

I had planned to get the second layer of plywood on my last riser this weekend. I only needed a few tubes of GG, so I ordered 4 tubes off the 'bay:
IMG_1595.JPG

Yeah, that's what I said. Anyway, correct product will be shipped Monday. Last shipment came the day after I ordered it, so not a real big deal. I ended up using the little bit of GG I had left under the walls I built. I'll have to lift the plywood (just tacked with screws right now) and apply the rest after it gets here.



Overall shot of the theater:
IMG_1598.JPG

You can see the columns I made in the rear corners. I had a heck of a time trying to figure out how to make it work, but I think it will be nice when I'm done. Those 3 seats will be on the back riser eventually, 2 feet off the back wall. Actually there will be six-- I think-- I may go with five. I have to assemble them and see how they fit. Six will be tight.



Better shot of the columns:
IMG_1599.JPG



Inside the columns:
IMG_1602.JPG

I routered off the back of the rails/stiles. The plan is to wrap 3/8" plywood with fabric and have the panels held in with panel retainers. That way I can replace the fabric if something happens. Holes will be cut in the 3/8" plywood to allow the speakers to work etc.



Back corner traps:
IMG_1601.JPG

Not the ideal solution, but I am going to try and use this space as a bass trap. The side framed with 2x4 will be fabric from floor to ceiling. The front will look like the rest of the columns, solid on bottom, fabric on top. Not sure what I should do.. Safe'n'Sound with airspace behind, OC703 with air space.. fill with pink fluffy. Have to take a look at the coefficients and see what works.

For subwooferage.. looks like 2 THT LP's stacked will hide nicely back there. Had originally thought F-20s.. but too tall. Then looked at THT.. but again a bit too high (would be higher than the seats).

Still need to figure out what to do with the top half of that back wall. I know that too much absorption will kill the room.

Tim
post #173 of 595
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

Hi Tim,

FYI all, The GC units work fine with Irule with old firmware if they are not defective. The problem with the old firmware is it doesnt beacon itself on the network and a couple other belles and whistles. If you dont know the IP address you have to do a factory reset and the GC should default to 192.168.1.70. Factory reset is done by shorting pins 2-7 on serial connection #1 during power up.

When you say short out pins 2-7, would you care to elaborate? Is it just simply a jumper wire? Also, is anyone controlling their AppleTv 2gen with iRule?
post #174 of 595
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Originally Posted by wraunch View Post


When you say short out pins 2-7, would you care to elaborate? Is it just simply a jumper wire? Also, is anyone controlling their AppleTv 2gen with iRule?

 

You can use a paperclip or very small flat blade screwdriver.  Just touch the two pins together when powering on and you should see the power light flash a couple of times indicating that a factory reset has been performed.  One of my units had to be done a couple of times because it didn't seem to work the first time.

post #175 of 595
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Yeah, I used a small flat blade screwdriver. You can stick it between pins 2-7 and twist it gently. The pressure holds it in place while you apply power.

In other news.. I must be making progress... Because I got my fabric samples today:
IMG_1604.JPG

L-to-R is FR701 Red, FR701 Claret Accent, Anchorage Red Delicious, Anchorage Geranium.

If I decide to spend the $$ on Anchorage, the Geranium (far right) is the winner, imho. If I stick with 701 I'll get the Red (far left).

I have to say that last week I got genuinely angry at how long this is taking.. how much time I could have spent doing other things. I wanted to throw something and stomp off... But to actually see fabric on the horizon is a little encouraging. I ordered 20,000 staples today too smile.gif

Tim
post #176 of 595
Here's a good chance to save a buck. I think the FR701 Red is the best match for the seats - at least on my monitor.
post #177 of 595
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Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

Here's a good chance to save a buck. I think the FR701 Red is the best match for the seats - at least on my monitor.

Red and Geranium are both good matches in person. At this point I am leaning toward the red. Thanks for the input smile.gif I always like saving a buck.. or two smile.gif

Tim
post #178 of 595

Tim,

 

I agree with you that fabric samples = feeling of making progress. I just ordered my GOM samples last night.  I previously got a card with some small 1" samples, but I went ahead and ordered the larger samples so I can make a final decision.  

 

Are you doing full acoustic treatments on the walls, or just panels over painted walls?

post #179 of 595
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

Tim,

I agree with you that fabric samples = feeling of making progress. I just ordered my GOM samples last night.  I previously got a card with some small 1" samples, but I went ahead and ordered the larger samples so I can make a final decision.  

Are you doing full acoustic treatments on the walls, or just panels over painted walls?

I have traps in the corners, but the rest of the walls will be hung panels. They'll be approximately 2x2 and cover the walls in a pattern. Some will be acoustic, others will just be frames+fabric (no insulation) to keep the pattern.

What I'd like to do is measure the room without the wall treatments, then treat/remeasure/tweak/repeat.

I want to make the fabric easily replaceable should something happen (leak, kid damage, etc).

Tim
post #180 of 595
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

Yeah, I used a small flat blade screwdriver. You can stick it between pins 2-7 and twist it gently. The pressure holds it in place while you apply power.

In other news.. I must be making progress... Because I got my fabric samples today:
IMG_1604.JPG

L-to-R is FR701 Red, FR701 Claret Accent, Anchorage Red Delicious, Anchorage Geranium.

If I decide to spend the $$ on Anchorage, the Geranium (far right) is the winner, imho. If I stick with 701 I'll get the Red (far left).

I have to say that last week I got genuinely angry at how long this is taking.. how much time I could have spent doing other things. I wanted to throw something and stomp off... But to actually see fabric on the horizon is a little encouraging. I ordered 20,000 staples today too smile.gif

Tim

My 2 cents,

The Geranium popped to me so that would be my choice, followed by the 701 Red. The Claret brought pictures of ketchup to my mind. The wife just walked by and liked the 701 Red the best.

Like I said, my 2 cents,

Robin
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