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post #31 of 348
The way I approached picking colors in my room was having the ceiling one color, the bottom of the wall and the soffits one color, and then the space between the bottom part and the soffits one color. I went with black for the ceiling, gray for the bottom walls and soffits, and dark red in the middle.

I like to say that the middle color is kind of the odd one out (red in my case, mocha in yours). Then the other two colors are a little more similar.

I think that a dark blue ceiling, black bottoms and soffit, and the mocha in the middle may work well in your room. The black might be a little harsh for the brown though, so you could go wit a dark gray.

Personally, I don't know how well the red panels will fit in on the walls. I'd think that they may look kind of out of place. I think that a gray color may be better for them. The red chairs would look nice next to the brown and gray in the room.

It's just my opinion though. You may feel differently.

By the way, are you not going to use RGB LED strips?
post #32 of 348
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

I'm not the best at picking out colors.
I'm not either, but I'd say you are allowed three: black and red, since those seem to be settled already, plus one more. I wouldn't try to work in both brown and blue. It could be done if you have lots of colors in the carpet or something like that, but I'd say simpler is better.

Fred
post #33 of 348
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Idea at the moment:

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Wainscot would be all black. I just made a little gray so you could see it.

Brown and red... well I don't think I can reproduce the actual colors in a png, but you get the gist of it.

Soffit defnitely has to be brown so the columns stand out against it.

Ceiling... black or blue... hmmm...

Tim
post #34 of 348
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By the way, are you not going to use RGB LED strips?
I'm wired for only a single color. I could buy RGB, but I'd have to pick a color. I didn't want to get into the controllers and power supplies that are tied to the RGB offerings. With a single color I can buy one transformer of appropriate size and dim it with a GRX-TVI.

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I'm not either, but I'd say you are allowed three: black and red, since those seem to be settled already, plus one more. I wouldn't try to work in both brown and blue. It could be done if you have lots of colors in the carpet or something like that, but I'd say simpler is better.
Fred

Yeah, I kind of agree. I wonder if I am overthinking this. But I would use a really deep blue, so that's like... almost black, right? smile.gif
post #35 of 348
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Did I miss a notice about a scheduled update? The answer must be yes, as I just got hosed after trying to submit a new message.

Take 2.

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So, I thought 15 gallons would be enough.. but ran short. Found some proform from another project.. used that. Had to pick up another pail.

I decided to go with a polish coat, which is basically a 4th coat using thinned out spackle-- roughly 8oz water to 5g spackle. With the LED uplighting I wanted to make sure the ceiling came out perfect. The polish coat fills in all those pinholes and feathers out really nice. It's also as smooth as glass when it dries.

Some pro finishers will use a polish coat, some do not. The debate it always that if you were "good enough" you could do it in 3 coats. Well, I'm no pro but with a polish coat my results are the same as-- if not better than- anybody elses.

This is the ceiling after the polish coat:
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The picture doesn't really do it justice.

Today's progress was brought to you buy the pole sander, the hand screen sander, the sanding sponge, the letter "J" and the number "4":
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(if you ever wondered how to get a crisp corner, the secret is the sanding sponge. You would be hard pressed to get as nice a corner with anything else)

Tim
post #36 of 348
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Don't we all! biggrin.gif

Seriously though Tim, it looks fantastic. Extremely professional.
post #37 of 348
I just have one question - All of this work on your own theater isn't going to distract you from answering all of the questions in our threads is it? biggrin.gif
post #38 of 348
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I just have one question - All of this work on your own theater isn't going to distract you from answering all of the questions in our threads is it? biggrin.gif

Not at all! I have to keep checking your thread to see who's winning anyway smile.gif

Tim
post #39 of 348
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I had originally planned on black ceilings, but wondering if a dark blue might be cooler?

post #40 of 348
Hi Tim - looking good! So which miter saw did you end up purchasing? I'm always interested to see what guys with a lot of experience choose...
Thanks!
post #41 of 348
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The verdict is in, I'm going with black on the ceilings. I agree that simpler is better (and cheaper).

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Hi Tim - looking good! So which miter saw did you end up purchasing? I'm always interested to see what guys with a lot of experience choose...
Thanks!

I didn't actually get over to the big store, probably going today. I'm going to pick up the Hitachi 12" double-bevel miter saw. It's compromise between price and a capable saw. There are cheaper saw that do a really nice job, but anything less than a 12" blade will really limit the width of the stock you can cut.

I have used the 12" DeWalt slide miter and that saw is fantastic. A bit pricey at ~$500, but you defimitely get what you pay for. If I was going to do a lot of work, I wouldn't hesitate to spend the extra money. The Makita slide is also really nice, but it's more expensive than the DeWalt for not much more value. The bearings on the Makita are really nice.

Tim
post #42 of 348
Black matches everything.

Once you go with any shade of blue on your ceiling, you automatically reduce the color palate available to the rest of the theater down to a sliver of options.

Now, if you're having trouble making up your mind about the color palate for the walls, this limitation of options can be a good thing.

Being a Home Theater fraud, I've never seen the blue ceiling except for the coved "clouds/stars ceilings." I'm curious about the dark blue ceiling. I can't seem to wrap my mind around it, but obviously you've seen it work somewhere.



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post #43 of 348
Tim, do you have a design plan for the soffit? Where will you put your red LEDs? Do you plan on putting crown around the bottom of the soffit? My room is going to be 18x29' so I am very interested in your build. I will have a riser but I do not have a step down like you do.
post #44 of 348
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Black matches everything.

Yeah I want to err on the side of caution. I thought the dark blue might be cool when you look up, but I am not going to spend time and money on something that could be a catastrophe.

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Tim, do you have a design plan for the soffit? Where will you put your red LEDs? Do you plan on putting crown around the bottom of the soffit? My room is going to be 18x29' so I am very interested in your build. I will have a riser but I do not have a step down like you do.

I have a plan.. In my head. I didn't draw it out. I'm going to rip 2x4 in half on a 45 degree angle. The 2x4 will then be installed with the pointed side down, to receive the crown molding. The LED strip will lay on top of the 2x4, behind the top edge of the crown.

Tim
post #45 of 348
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Found some paint color combos at myperfectcolor.com.

I think I am going to go with HC-72 for the brown:
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It seems to go with a bunch of different reds. I have the Benjamin Moore fan deck and it looks good.

I also found this nifty list in the back of the fan deck:
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The numbers to the right (3.5, 3.3 etc) are the "LRV" or "light reflectance value". Lower value == less light reflectance. Black Forest Green was the lowest I could find. I'm not going to use it, because I don't want a green hue, but it was interesting to note.

Tim
post #46 of 348
Great looking build - and earth tones to boot! smile.gif Subbed.

I went with more or less a 70/20/10 combo of dark brown / black / rust. I probably need a little more of that rust color in the room for accent, maybe will find some matching pillows to toss on the recliners.

Edit: oh, and on black vs. blue ceiling - I don't care for blue with brown, I think it has to do with subtle NLP from Garanimals commercials during childhood.
Edited by Brad Horstkotte - 8/30/12 at 3:50pm
post #47 of 348
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Originally Posted by AirBenji View Post

Hi Tim - looking good! So which miter saw did you end up purchasing? I'm always interested to see what guys with a lot of experience choose...
Thanks!

I have this saw in my shop:

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Link: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-GCM12SD-120-Volt-12-Inch-Glide/dp/B004323NNC/ref=sr_1_1?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1346362381&sr=1-1

Easily the best miter saw I have ever used. The saw will make 90-degree cuts (or 45's or whatever), all day long, that are perfect within my ability to measure. I have used it to crosscut 13" wide, 1" thick stock at 90 degrees, and it takes up less space than a regular slider. An absolute pleasure to use. Downsides are: (1) No laser, which is odd given the price of the saw; and (2) the price of the saw.

When I make furniture, I used to make rough crosscuts on my old miter saw and make the final cuts on the table saw using a crosscut sled. I don't remember the last time I pulled out the sled. With a good blade, the Bosch is accurate enough that I use it for even the final cuts.

It's more saw than is needed for cutting framing lumber, but it is pretty whiz bang in a furniture shop.
post #48 of 348
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Great looking build - and earth tones to boot! smile.gif Subbed.
I went with more or less a 70/20/10 combo of dark brown / black / rust. I probably need a little more of that rust color in the room for accent, maybe will find some matching pillows to toss on the recliners.
Edit: oh, and on black vs. blue ceiling - I don't care for blue with brown, I think it has to do with subtle NLP from Garanimals commercials during childhood.

I checked your thread.. no pics?? I am curious to see how you incorporated the reds.

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I have this saw in my shop:

Ouch! I didn't think there was a saw more expensive than the Makita (well, if Festool makes one I am sure it is more). As with most things, you get what you pay for. I can see spending the money on a dedicated shop saw. I wouldn't want that saw banging around in the back of my truck or being lugged across a construction site. Good info. Thanks!

Tim
post #49 of 348
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I checked your thread.. no pics?? I am curious to see how you incorporated the reds.

Its more of a rust than a red, so not a big "pop" in terms of contrast with the lights dimmed, shows up better when the lights are up - but here's a picture with the lights down, because for some reason (probably watching too many movies) I never got around to doing proper photos all around the room. The only rust is the sides of the columns, then black soffits, black doors, black screen wall; dark brown ceiling, brown checkerboard carpet, brown patterned GoM wall panel fabric.

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More pics here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1250265/pimp-my-garage/510#post_20554537
post #50 of 348
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Its more of a rust than a red, so not a big "pop" in terms of contrast with the lights dimmed, shows up better when the lights are up - but here's a picture with the lights down, because for some reason (probably watching too many movies) I never got around to doing proper photos all around the room. The only rust is the sides of the columns, then black soffits, black doors, black screen wall; dark brown ceiling, brown checkerboard carpet, brown patterned GoM wall panel fabric.

Hehe sorry I missed the pics... I checked the last few pages. Your thread continues for another 400 posts after them!

I definitely like the earth-tone look of your theater.. I think I am moving in the right direction.

ATM, I am thinking about the black checkerboard carpet from Lowes that a few people have used. Inexpensive and looks good in the store.

For paint:
Black wainscot/columns, General Finishes black underbody w/ 3 coats black tinted satin poly
Brown upper walls, Benjamin Moore HC-72 "Branchport Brown"
Brown bottom of soffits
Black on the sides of soffits and ceiling. Benjamin Moore 2132-10 flat black
Black GOM screen wall w/ a narrow horizontal fidelio velvet accent line
Red GOM panels, exact color TBD, but hopefully will match my seats

Tim
post #51 of 348
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It was an expensive day, but I'm happy to have made it out alive.

Started the day by bursting one of the steel brake lines on my pickup. If you ever had one burst, you know they burst when you really need them, not when you're coming to an easy rest at a stop sign. Needless to say I was at what I would call the 2nd or maybe 3rd busiest intersection in my area, slammed on the brakes and found I had none. That 2 weeks of EVOC training never came in so handy. Navigated the intersection without hitting anybody and limped home at about 15 miles an hour with the ebrake.

Take all the seats and kids junk out of the suburban and back to the big store. Picked up some MDF and plywood for my speaker build and also got a new miter saw:
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I forgot how expensive gas was when you have to buy the cylinders. The gas was almost as much as the saw. But now I'm all set for when the CAC arrives.

Like they say.. any day above ground and warm is a good day!

Tim
post #52 of 348
I'm glad that you're alright. Having your brakes fail is definitely a very scary thing.

Congratulations on the new saw! It's always a good day when you get a new power tool. biggrin.gif

Just a note about the carpet; if you are referring to the stainmaster silver lake (the one Damelon and I used just to name a few) know that the sample in the store (I think that it is called gothic gray) is extremely dark. Once you get it laid out in a room it is dark gray and not so black. That may work for you, but if you really want a black carpet then I would go with something else.
post #53 of 348
Glad to hear you made it through ok. I would have needed to stop and buy myself a new pair of boxers before buying the saw.

Speaking of saws, that is the same one I bought a month or two ago when a bearing went out on my old Craftsman. I needed something to get me through the build without breaking the bank. So far, so good.
post #54 of 348
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I'm glad that you're alright. Having your brakes fail is definitely a very scary thing.
Congratulations on the new saw! It's always a good day when you get a new power tool. biggrin.gif
Just a note about the carpet; if you are referring to the stainmaster silver lake (the one Damelon and I used just to name a few) know that the sample in the store (I think that it is called gothic gray) is extremely dark. Once you get it laid out in a room it is dark gray and not so black. That may work for you, but if you really want a black carpet then I would go with something else.

I went through the carpet aisle at Lowes again and I took a liking to Mohawk Berkley Hills "Pitch Black". It's very similar to silver lake except a bit darker and the pile is a little shorter. It's also less expensive (win!)

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Glad to hear you made it through ok. I would have needed to stop and buy myself a new pair of boxers before buying the saw.
Speaking of saws, that is the same one I bought a month or two ago when a bearing went out on my old Craftsman. I needed something to get me through the build without breaking the bank. So far, so good.

Glad to hear it is working well. The box says 5 years warranty. The checkout clerk asked if I wanted a 4 yr extended warranty.. No thanks.
post #55 of 348
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Originally Posted by cshawnmcdonald View Post

Being a Home Theater fraud, I've never seen the blue ceiling except for the coved "clouds/stars ceilings." I'm curious about the dark blue ceiling. I can't seem to wrap my mind around it, but obviously you've seen it work somewhere.
You're right, blue limits your palate a little, but not too much. Check out my Theater 1.0 thread link in my signature to see a dark blue ceiling. I think it was called Federal Blue.
post #56 of 348
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The room is primed now (I had the primer tinted brown). That primer covers incredibly well. I've never had a primer cover like that:

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This is what I used:

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2-1/2" angled sash brush from Purdy. As long as you take care of it, it will last you forever. I went with a short nap roller (3/16") to get the walls and ceiling super smooth. The spackle worked out great. There is one spot where something must have hit the wall, because there is a dent, but easily fixed. Otherwise I was pleased not to have discovered any other imperfections. Taking time up front will save me a lot of hassle. Before I primed, I went over all the walls and ceiling with my HEPA vacuum with a floor attachment.

And the paint for the rest of the job is here:

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When I went to get the black Benjamin Moore, I didn't see it on the shelf. I asked him to mix a gallon of black and he asked if I had already started painting. When I told him no, he grabbed the gallon of black premixed and said it was blacker than the custom mix. If black is what I wanted, he recommended the premix.. which corresponds to what the fan deck indicated.

The GF products will be for the woodwork.. which begins... now!

Tim
post #57 of 348
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Started working on the wainscoting in the theater. Built a cabinet for my router table. Will assemble tomorrow.

Because of the detail I want, I am going to end up with a space behind the wainscoting:

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I know I should fill this space.. but with what?

Pink fluffy? 703? Linacoustic? Does it matter?

Thanks!

Tim
post #58 of 348
If the wainscotting is solid wood, you probably just want to keep it from resonating - wood blocking maybe?
post #59 of 348
I'd say the simplest and easiest is also most effective; another layer of wood - the cheapest you can find.

Assuming that this answer is somehow inadequate - I think the answer is, like Brad said - keep it from resonating. Anything that prohibits the movement of air within the cavity will do that - even a closed-cell foam.
post #60 of 348
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

If the wainscotting is solid wood, you probably just want to keep it from resonating - wood blocking maybe?

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I'd say the simplest and easiest is also most effective; another layer of wood - the cheapest you can find.
Assuming that this answer is somehow inadequate - I think the answer is, like Brad said - keep it from resonating. Anything that prohibits the movement of air within the cavity will do that - even a closed-cell foam.

Thanks guys. The space is 1" deep by an average of 3' tall. It would be tedious with wood. If I just need to fill the space... 1" foam board is probably the cheapest/easiest... unless there are any objections?

Tim
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