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post #61 of 72
9/11/12 at 9:10am
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A couple of clarifying points. It's not the digital input that matters, it's the output that matters and as far as I know, both the Datasat and Theta have to downsample the same per HDMI specs. One other option is if using an HD Fury in the HDMI chain would remove the copy protection, see link here: http://www.hdfury.com/products/hdfury4-specs/ If not, then you will be stuck with downsampling with both the Datasat or the Theta.
If the downsampling is too much of an issue and you instead just want to go with analog out to a Trinnov box, then you don't have to go with ADA, you could instead go with any pre-pro you want. The ADA is a great piece, but you certainly aren't required to use the ADA if you want to use a Trinnov box using analog.

oopss.. but if digital input doesn't matter, why the modded oppo can avoid downsampling?
I thought it was because it can go to the pre digitally (aes/ebu) instead of hdmi..

Concerning hd fury.. could you mind to explain better, please?
what is it?

actually I don't know if going digitally to trinnov with downsampling could be
worse than going analog at full rate.. really don't know
but at that point I say Ada because the extra money for CB3 was justified
by the "perfect" system (pre digitally connected to trinnov with downsampling to 96/24 which is no an issue for movies..
if downsampling is to 96/16 .. I don't know..; besides I would have bought the CB3hd without dacs and only the digi out to use trinnov dacs
to save money: if I go analogue to the trinnov I would need theta's dacs.. more expensive... isn't it?)
and while I listened to the ada with trinnov teq, I'm not sure to have the opportunity to listen to CB3 with trinnov..
the choice is becoming hard for me..
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post #62 of 72
9/11/12 at 9:52am
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oopss.. but if digital input doesn't matter, why the modded oppo can avoid downsampling?
I thought it was because it can go to the pre digitally (aes/ebu) instead of hdmi..
Concerning hd fury.. could you mind to explain better, please?
what is it?
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Digital input doesn't matter because I think virtually any HDMI equipped pre/pro or AV receiver can accept the full HDMI signal with no downsampling. The issue is that if that HDMI equiped pre/pro or AV receiver tries to output that signal, the audio is downsampled. That is why there are virtually no pre/pro's or AV receiver's that have digital output, other than the Theta or Datasat. The modded Oppo avoids downsampling because it bypasses the HDMI output on the pre/pro altogether, and just goes straight from the Oppo to the Trinnov. Thus the only way to get Trinnov to work with the full signal (ie., not downsampled) in a digital format (i.e., not after digital to analog conversion), is the ADA reference.

The only other way around this would be if Trinnov built a processor with an HDMI input (but that is essentially what the ADA reference is).
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post #63 of 72
9/11/12 at 10:43am
The downsampling is a restriction put in place by hdmi.

The reason a modded oppo or alike can get round this is because it YOU the owner who is responsible for the mod, not the blu ray player manufacturer. If they were to not downsample on digi out then they would be sued to buggery.

Having said all that, the trinnov mc dacs are superb and going analogue gives very good results, well to me anyways.
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post #64 of 72
9/11/12 at 11:38am
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Thanks Djnick.
What would you suggest to do?
I know you own CRM4..
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post #65 of 72
9/11/12 at 2:13pm
Well, I my self am pondering what to do.

I could keep my crm4 and get the trinnov mc and be very happy. Infact I wuld probably go for the newer model magnitude as I really like the idea of active biamping and adding further height and wide speakers.

But I should soon get to hear the rs20i in an environment where I can fully decide what I prefer. But from upgradability stand point there is no other choice but the datasat.

From talking with Stephen Field and Phil at datasat uk the upgrade paths for the rs20i are very real and very impressive. The only thing that does hold me back is the current lack of upmatrixing like Ada quad bypass. But something similar should be added to the datasat offering before too long.
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post #66 of 72
9/14/12 at 7:43am
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. One other option is if using an HD Fury in the HDMI chain would remove the copy protection, see link here: http://www.hdfury.com/products/hdfury4-specs/ If not, then you will be stuck with downsampling with both the Datasat or the Theta.
maybe this is the way to go to avoid downsampling.
Theta or Datasat could be a matter of price..
Could I get any benefit anyway from digital inputs on the datasat?
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post #67 of 72
9/17/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Grifo View Post

A couple of clarifying points. It's not the digital input that matters, it's the output that matters and as far as I know, both the Datasat and Theta have to downsample the same per HDMI specs. One other option is if using an HD Fury in the HDMI chain would remove the copy protection, see link here: http://www.hdfury.com/products/hdfury4-specs/ If not, then you will be stuck with downsampling with both the Datasat or the Theta.
Has anyone tested the HDFury4 in this regard? Does it output audio over HDMI without HDCP?
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post #68 of 72
9/18/12 at 3:22am
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by the way, the downsampling would be to 96/16
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post #69 of 72
9/25/12 at 9:01am
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Yes, I agree having both Trinnov and Dirac would be like having a porshe and a ferrari, although Trinnov does some things that Dirac doesn't, like 3D remapping. My main point was that it seems like Grifo is correct in that if he wants Trinnov with no ADA conversions, then a Theta processor with a Trinnov MC is the only way to go (other than the ADA reference). Are there any other processors that have digital out like the Theta?
He would not have to buy Dirac if he did not want to do so. It will be an option.
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post #70 of 72
9/25/12 at 9:12am
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Has anyone tested the HDFury4 in this regard? Does it output audio over HDMI without HDCP?
I'm not so sure it will work. It appears that all devices with HDMI and legacy digital outs are forced to output 48\16. I don't know if stripping the HDCP will matter.
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post #71 of 72
12/4/12 at 2:20pm
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Not that I am aware off. I personally would save myself a bundle and get a modded Oppo straight into a Trinnov mc8 (run the 2 subs mono). No downsampling and a lot cheaper. For less critical sources like satellite TV you would use a cheap SSP and run it into the 8 analog inputs on the mc8. The only thing missing in this setup is post processing of the surround modes beyond what the Oppo can do, and the sophisticated bass management capability of the CBIII. Bass management on the Trinnov is excellent and more than adequate though. The Oppo and SSP would take up all your inputs, so if you need an additional digital input (for 2 channel source), you need a digital swtich before the Trinnov.

Actually you wouldn't need a digital switch in this case, as the MC has 3 AES dB25s with 8 channels each. As an example, I have an Oppo on one DB25 and the music server on another. One could have Trinnov providing internal switching between the CBIII, a modified (SPDIF 4x) Oppo, and 4 Stereo digital sources.
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post #72 of 72
12/4/12 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by Curt_Trinnov View Post

Actually you wouldn't need a digital switch in this case, as the MC has 3 AES dB25s with 8 channels each. As an example, I have an Oppo on one DB25 and the music server on another. One could have Trinnov providing internal switching between the CBIII, a modified (SPDIF 4x) Oppo, and 4 Stereo digital sources.

I did not know the MC8 had multiple digital inputs. Soon the Amethyst will allow for input switching on a 4 channel processor as well. Any updates on release date / pricing?
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