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post #121 of 1138
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Originally Posted by scarl-marci View Post

Yesterday I now detail my new HMZ-T2 against my old HMZ-T1 tested. The report you can (but in German, but Google can indeed help) read our German forum page http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=browseT&forum_id=216&thread=440&postID=1661 # 1661st
Have fun
scarl

Can u publish the report in English here @AVS for all of us to understand better as translations do not work well - please
post #122 of 1138
I got one of mine today and getting the other one later. I'll review them and compare tomorrow.
post #123 of 1138
Nice, i can't wait. Please, also test the new headphones included and, if you have some full size ones, test with those as well. I'm really curious if they improved the surround headphone simulation...

Also, i don't know if you can, but see if you notice any reduction of input lag in games.

Thanks.
post #124 of 1138
Alright, a very short review after playing around with it for about 30 minutes. Once I spend more time with it I shall make a much better review, and a video review possibly as well. But for now this will help those that can't wait!
I have the HMZ-T1 so I will be comparing it to this.


Outa the box the T-2 is noticeably smaller and much lighter than the T-1, when I picked it up I was surprised. Since I had my T-1 connected up, I decided to first try the T-2 on my T-1's pass through box. That didn't work at all, so pulled out the pass through and connected it up. One thing I noticed right away is the back straps are much better quality. Instead of using little hooks to connect, they adjust using sliders kinda like a zip tie. So much easier and feel a bit stronger also. Only down side to this is my cushion pads will not work on the T-2 so I have to make some that will. Once on your head the T-2 feels much better than the T-1, so much lighter and less pain. However, still rest on your nose and causes a little pain just not as bad. Maybe after fooling with it some more I can adjust the straps better to fix this. But so far I think I may need to design some pads for this one as well to help myself and others. The forehead pad is much bigger but still seems to push against your forehead, yes even after 30 minutes I had a red spot.


It goes through about the same info on startup as the T-1, select language and blah blah...

I slapped in Resident Evil Afterlife and powered up the T-2, a bit confusing because the buttons are in different areas now. I am so used to the T-1.

I plugged in my Denon AH-D510 headphones and started watching. At first the sound had to much bass and sounded bad. So I went to the menu and amazingly you can actually adjust if you are using inner headphones or outer! I chose outer and that made a world of difference. After fooling with the bass, treble and choosing cinema mode it sounded the way I wanted it. Like a damn IMAX in my ears!eek.gif In short, using your own headphones kicks ass and I love it much better than the T-1's built in crappy headphones.

After this I had to adjust the screen for my eyes. This was WAY more eaasier than the old T-1, since you can adjust both eyes independently. After doing this, I can report I got a 100% FULL SCREEN view with no blurry edges at all... A perfect picture, unlike the T-1 which was near impossible to do.
I sit back on my couch, cranked the volume and watched about 20 minutes of Resident evil Afterlife and truly felt I was in an IMAX, only no people there to bother me.... Just me and my super big screen, it felt great.

I haven't messed with picture settings, but looks like you can do more than the T-1, I noticed a noise reduction setting in the menu but it was not selecttable yet.. Not sure why?! It also has a few other modes I'll have to try out later. Have not tried games yet or lag, but I have a feeling it may be better.


More to come when I get time, but in short this is actually a good improvement over the T-1 as far as I can tell so far.biggrin.gif
post #125 of 1138
Great news! Thanks for the impressions. As I asked scarl, do you mind having a look to see if the auto colour temperature adjustment can be turned off? That's the main thing that would make me get a T1 rather than a T2.
post #126 of 1138
Very welcome, yes I will check into that when I get a chance. I'd do it now, but gotta go out in a few hours and getting ready.
post #127 of 1138
Thanks again! Look forward to hearing more.
post #128 of 1138
Thank you! I'm happy to hear the surround sound is good. And no blurry edges. Scarl also said the same thing, in his german review. Maybe the optics lenses are better in T2?

Btw, is the forehead pad removable?
post #129 of 1138
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Very welcome, yes I will check into that when I get a chance. I'd do it now, but gotta go out in a few hours and getting ready.

Hi,
do you have your H1 modded? I removed the sync wheel from mine so i can adjust each eye separately, do you use this mod?
Im asking because im interested how it compares to H2? is it the same thing? Technically its should be unless they also improved optics.
post #130 of 1138
Where did you get it? I live in Japan and want to pick one up
post #131 of 1138
I haven't removed the wheel, never could find a good video on how to do so.

Damyr, got one at Yodobashi and one at Bic Camera both were pre-orders.
post #132 of 1138
Is there an english digital manual for this? I've looked on Sony's UK site, but no luck.

ps: review in Japanese: http://www.4gamer.net/games/183/G018303/20121012076/
Edited by DG25 - 10/13/12 at 6:00am
post #133 of 1138
colour temperature adjustment can't be shut off, but says normal so maybe that's kinda like the off?

Gaming looked fine to me, I don't notice lag but perhaps others may.
post #134 of 1138
Thanks for checking the colour temperature. I suppose we won't really know whether it changes and by how much unless someone does some testing with a colorimeter. I just don't understand why Sony and other display manufacturers feel the need to add these image processing 'features' that can't be turned off. Colour accuracy is more important to me than some pseudoscience about long-term viewing comfort. I suppose if it's not noticeable or can be defeated by restarting the device, I can probably live with it if the other improvements are worthwhile.

Looking at that 4gamers review, it seems like the optics and processing are a bit better, the input lag is maybe a bit less (though 33ms is still not great and it doesn't seem to be improved by 'Game' mode like they were claiming), and it's lighter, but that's about it. I'm not sure it's worth the extra money over the T1, particularly given that I'm willing to mod it to remove the headphones etc.

Guess I'll wait to see how much extra they charge for it here in Australia. Hopefully there will be more impressions / tests by then too.
post #135 of 1138
You are welcome.

I am selling both the HMZ-T2's I got of course brand new. Each will come with a limited edition set of our cushion pads specially made for the HMZ-T2. The pads are softer, have more cushion and just like the HMZ-T1 pads we made will help with the comfort. We are still making them but rest assured they will look amazing once done. We had to redesign the cushion pads for the HMZ-T2 because it is a bit different. They will also come with our light blocker included.

Each is $1,300 US dollars and the buyer must pay shipping from Japan to where they are. The Japanese models have English menus and will work pretty much worldwide. As a bonus I will also include my Marine World, Hirado and Fukuoka Custom Car Show movies as well!

Just drop me a message here and I will take PayPal payments only, I won't lower the price as the US dollar is so low compared to the Japanese Yen that I barely profit even at $1,300, which is why I include the pads, light blocker and movies as I know the price is a bit high. But no need to deal with Ebay and I will ship out fast for any buyer.
post #136 of 1138
By the way, I can confirm having a full screen view with no blurry edges on the HMZ-T2 rocks! Unlike the T-1 you can get a perfect picture full screen view and feels much more like an IMAX.
I wouldn't sell one of mine but the wifes forcing me to do so:mad:
post #137 of 1138
Sounds amazing Blazin. Looks like they did a few major improvements.

I never had the cash for the first one, but I do this time round.
I'm stuck in the same boat as most Aussies waiting for the HMZ-T2, MDR-1R and Experia Tablet S.
post #138 of 1138
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

By the way, I can confirm having a full screen view with no blurry edges on the HMZ-T2 rocks! Unlike the T-1 you can get a perfect picture full screen view and feels much more like an IMAX.
I wouldn't sell one of mine but the wifes forcing me to do so:mad:

hi bravia

please inform us regd. below

1) Comfort-wise is this T2 really comfortable for long hours of movie viewing ? what's the max time you can do without taking a break while watching a movie [2d/3D] ?

2) does the adjustable forehead pad [up/down with button/lever provided] add to comfort compared with T1 ? does it really help ?

3)what happens when you are using it continuously for hours - does the 'auto color temperature impact visual elements of image [like soothing the image,making the image dull etc] ?

4) Do u have the image at a huge distance for comfortable viewing ? does that strain the eyes in prolonged viewing ? is the optics really 'Great' and better than T1 ?

wait your kind reply
post #139 of 1138
I'm waiting for mine to be delivered (tomorrow, hopefully), and I never got a chance to look at the T1 model for comparison, but with that caveat, I did not spot any blurriness along the edges of the screen during my time using the display model in-store. So based on that, I would not be surprised if the optics were improved.

Also, for me at least, the illusion of a large screen was quite convincing, especially when blocking out ambient light. It felt like sitting in the front row in one of the smaller indie film cinemas -- definitely felt bigger than any home projector set-up I've seen. I say front row simply because there are no obstructions like other seats in front of you, not because it feels like you're too close to the screen or anything like that. The 45 degree viewing angle is pretty good at still keeping most of the screen in your field of focus.
post #140 of 1138
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Originally Posted by Damyr3 View Post

I'm waiting for mine to be delivered (tomorrow, hopefully), and I never got a chance to look at the T1 model for comparison, but with that caveat, I did not spot any blurriness along the edges of the screen during my time using the display model in-store. So based on that, I would not be surprised if the optics were improved.
Also, for me at least, the illusion of a large screen was quite convincing, especially when blocking out ambient light. It felt like sitting in the front row in one of the smaller indie film cinemas -- definitely felt bigger than any home projector set-up I've seen. I say front row simply because there are no obstructions like other seats in front of you, not because it feels like you're too close to the screen or anything like that. The 45 degree viewing angle is pretty good at still keeping most of the screen in your field of focus.

i have not yet come across any consumer HMD with fov > 40 which has optics as great as emagin z800
i believe the diagonal 42 is the best FOV with complete image distant yet in full focus without blurring as in emagin z800 which i have , so 51 FOV for T2 is overkill unless the optics are absolutely fabulous !smile.gif

are the optics of T2 better than that of emagin or just so-so ?


For bravia 3D
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please inform us regd. below

1) Comfort-wise is this T2 really comfortable for long hours of movie viewing ? what's the max time you can do without taking a break while watching a movie [2d/3D] ?

2) does the adjustable forehead pad [up/down with button/lever provided] add to comfort compared with T1 ? does it really help ?

3)what happens when you are using it continuously for hours - does the 'auto color temperature impact visual elements of image [like soothing the image,making the image dull etc] ?

4) Do u have the image at a huge distance for comfortable viewing ? does that strain the eyes in prolonged viewing ? is the optics really 'Great' and better than T1 ?

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Edited by ancjob - 10/14/12 at 11:59pm
post #141 of 1138
1) Comfort-wise is this T2 really comfortable for long hours of movie viewing ? what's the max time you can do without taking a break while watching a movie [2d/3D] ?
Honestly, not really. Though it is lighter than the T-1 I found after long use it hurts my forehead still. If it's pushed down on your nose it will hurt your nose also. It is a bit better than the T1 but not by much. We made some cushion pads for it, we had to redesign them due to the T2's change. After using the pads it felt much better and I was able to watch Final Destination 5 all the way through without removing it.

2) does the adjustable forehead pad [up/down with button/lever provided] add to comfort compared with T1 ? does it really help ?
Yes and no, it took me awhile to find the good sweet spot where I feel it's best. But after some time using it, it will hurt and make your forehead red a bit. I wish they made it removeable like the old T1. You can NOT remove this one and it only comes with one already attached.

3)what happens when you are using it continuously for hours - does the 'auto color temperature impact visual elements of image [like soothing the image,making the image dull etc] ?
Not that I could tell, the image always looked pretty dang good throughout my viewing.

4) Do u have the image at a huge distance for comfortable viewing ? does that strain the eyes in prolonged viewing ? is the optics really 'Great' and better than T1 ?
The image seems a bit far, like sitting in the middle of an IMAX and looks big. The great thing is with the T2 you can see the full screen and clealy, unlike the T1 where it was blurry and hard to get the full screen. Optics seem a bit better than the T1, for gaming as well. I'm not getting any eye strain while viewing over long periods.




We have designed some new cushion pads just for the T-2, at the moment they are in the trial stages. I am testing them out making sure they do the job:D They are different from the T-1 and we may have a limited version coming soon.
post #142 of 1138
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Honestly, not really. Though it is lighter than the T-1 I found after long use it hurts my forehead still. If it's pushed down on your nose it will hurt your nose also. It is a bit better than the T1 but not by much.
Does lying flat in bed helps, with your face up?
post #143 of 1138
Just tried it, yes it does help. Feels much better lying down.
post #144 of 1138
where do you buy these things?

and the whole 1080p vs 720p. How much of a difference is the image with these things compared to a nice 1080p lcd.
post #145 of 1138
Buy them from Sony, or any electronic store. They are out here in Japan, I had to preorder.

Image quality is amazing, 720p but can't tell a difference between that and 1080p. Black levers are amazing and so deep.
post #146 of 1138
Would you say the HMZ is best used with a bean bag rather than sitting straight and upright?
post #147 of 1138
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

1) Comfort-wise is this T2 really comfortable for long hours of movie viewing ? what's the max time you can do without taking a break while watching a movie [2d/3D] ?
Honestly, not really. Though it is lighter than the T-1 I found after long use it hurts my forehead still. If it's pushed down on your nose it will hurt your nose also. It is a bit better than the T1 but not by much. We made some cushion pads for it, we had to redesign them due to the T2's change. After using the pads it felt much better and I was able to watch Final Destination 5 all the way through without removing it.
2) does the adjustable forehead pad [up/down with button/lever provided] add to comfort compared with T1 ? does it really help ?
Yes and no, it took me awhile to find the good sweet spot where I feel it's best. But after some time using it, it will hurt and make your forehead red a bit. I wish they made it removeable like the old T1. You can NOT remove this one and it only comes with one already attached.
3)what happens when you are using it continuously for hours - does the 'auto color temperature impact visual elements of image [like soothing the image,making the image dull etc] ?
Not that I could tell, the image always looked pretty dang good throughout my viewing.
4) Do u have the image at a huge distance for comfortable viewing ? does that strain the eyes in prolonged viewing ? is the optics really 'Great' and better than T1 ?
The image seems a bit far, like sitting in the middle of an IMAX and looks big. The great thing is with the T2 you can see the full screen and clealy, unlike the T1 where it was blurry and hard to get the full screen. Optics seem a bit better than the T1, for gaming as well. I'm not getting any eye strain while viewing over long periods.
We have designed some new cushion pads just for the T-2, at the moment they are in the trial stages. I am testing them out making sure they do the job:D They are different from the T-1 and we may have a limited version coming soon.

thank u bravia !
i will look forward to the ver 2.0 of your hmz- cushion pads - may be that will solve the comfort part smile.gif
post #148 of 1138
Can you still watch movies in 2d at 1080p? I would love to try these out with that upcoming 3D converter, if you can raise the resolution. If it works well, you could potentially have 1080p/60hz 3D.
post #149 of 1138
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TreeDee View Post

Can you still watch movies in 2d at 1080p? I would love to try these out with that upcoming 3D converter, if you can raise the resolution. If it works well, you could potentially have 1080p/60hz 3D.

What 3D converter?
post #150 of 1138
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Originally Posted by ViruzzX View Post

What 3D converter?

The one mentioned in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1424578/gene-dolgoffs-3d-vision-how-to-convert-any-2d-television-into-3d#post_22358096
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