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post #331 of 1138
But aren't specs irrelevant if the hardware performs more efficiently? I don't own apple products but I do know that they just work well. My pc on the other hand freezes and fails to startup since it was new. But it's cheaper so that's why I bought it.
post #332 of 1138
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

But aren't specs irrelevant if the hardware performs more efficiently? I don't own apple products but I do know that they just work well. My pc on the other hand freezes and fails to startup since it was new. But it's cheaper so that's why I bought it.

Nope hardware specs are always relevant unless you talk about very poor software and windows is far from it. No software can push the hardware over its limits

Whatever happened with your pc is just unfortunate accident, it not about windows, its more about hardware config and bios settings and maybe defective hardware (why wont you fix it?)
I never had any slowdowns, fezzes or other issues on my windows 7 PC that I build, i just dont install crap and have a good anti virus thats all you need

apple users think that their computers are more stable because of 3 main reasons:

1. windows has much more software available in hundred thousands more %, so windows computers tend to have a lots of crap installed but its user error, not the os.
2. Apple only works with selected few parts so they have no need for complicated optimizations, apple computers is like game consoles that use selected hardware, obviously you loose customization options,
3. again its a much more close system like the console this is why you have much fewer programs released for the mac

minuses outweigh the pluses, if all you want is office pc to read email and browse the web then mac are good enough but not for serious gaming, multimedia encoding and so on
post #333 of 1138
Back to the T2.

I can't see this coating you speak of, I try and just blow on them and never actually touch them.

I can see the T3 having improved optics again. Like wider clarity.

As for the PS3 bass impulse headset it has 7.1 wireless virtual surround from the PS3 and a removable 3.5mm jack.
post #334 of 1138
just purchased the asus ROG G74sx with nvidia 560m card. stepping into gaming territory - learning now how to use this mammoth laptop for gaming and nvidia 3d vision!
Now i am intrigued since the laptop has built-in 3d vision and it came with shutter glasses 3d - should i get T1 or T2 to use with it as HMZ series is supported by nvidia 3d vision , i read.
May be i preceed step by step to learn using this 'Giant' machine for gaming i guess!

Damm! T1 is still tempting for usd$850[all duty paid etc] saving of at least usd$500+


T2 is pretty expensive and NOT yet available in India while T1 is trading for usd$600+ on ebay

from what i have read - this HMZ is like - "try before u buy" - now what to do ? play the gamble with T1 or wait get demo of T2 and pay close to usd$1400 - i really do not know ?

any advise ?
Edited by ancjob - 11/12/12 at 3:37am
post #335 of 1138
I don't think the T2 for the price will impress you. If your laptop does 3D you are set.
post #336 of 1138
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Originally Posted by Mickice View Post

I don't think the T2 for the price will impress you. If your laptop does 3D you are set.
well the g74sx came with nvidia 3d vision built-in with nvidia shutter glasses !
i have yet to learn the nitty gritty of 3D gaming and pc 3d titles available - but again playing 3d in bigger virtual screen against 17 inch screen puts this in favor of HMZ but like i said i am a novice - learning in small steps !
post #337 of 1138
What you will get with the T2:
- Discomfort or great pressure
- Not perfect optics.

I find it silly that you can't or atleast I can't get 100% edge to edge clarity out of one eye. The optics are not wide enough to achieve this.
If SONY India has a good return policy and no demo give it a try.

I see already some people are returning theirs but I won't be. It's not perfect but the experience I get can't be achieved elsewhere.
Plus with some creative shopping i'll save up the $1k it cost me in a month.
post #338 of 1138
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Originally Posted by Mickice View Post

What you will get with the T2:
- Discomfort or great pressure
- Not perfect optics.
I find it silly that you can't or atleast I can't get 100% edge to edge clarity out of one eye. The optics are not wide enough to achieve this.
If SONY India has a good return policy and no demo give it a try.
I see already some people are returning theirs but I won't be. It's not perfect but the experience I get can't be achieved elsewhere.
Plus with some creative shopping i'll save up the $1k it cost me in a month.

that's what i am worried about - In India there is NO return policy with repair/replacement warranty so you own it once u pay - then it's luck !
32 incher with passive 3D are not portable with high lag - 27 incher is the best i believe with / without passive 3d!

I guess what i will do is to get myself a asus 27 incher with nvidia 3d vision 2 featuring lightboost tech that will be economical [usd$950] as HMZ-T2 [usd$1350] is still not worthy , may be T3 'd be .

this will be best for me - Asus VG278H 27" 3D LCD Monitor

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-VG278H-27-3D-LCD-Monitor-16-9-2-ms-Adjustable-Display-Angle-1920-x-108-/261020113556?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item3cc602da94

this will do unless sony does miraculous changes to T2 [ redesigning casing/optics etc]
what do u think ? [ Damm! i am so excited with this 3d bug!]
post #339 of 1138
You should remember a 27" monitor will not give you the imersive feel of 3D as the hmz does
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post #340 of 1138
Watching Disney's Tangled (2D) really did feel like a mid sized, perhaps a little bigger cinema screen. cool.gif
Best seat in the house, btw.


But the T2 is expensive, if you can't afford it good or bad, well thats too bad.
post #341 of 1138
I was so close to dropping the t2 eek.gif
post #342 of 1138
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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post

Into the T2 3.5mm jack

This limits the sound to stereo, correct? I believe there are some headphones that decode surround sound, does that require an optical out and does the T2 have one? Is anyone here using a surround sound headphone set with the T2 and want to comment on them? Can you watch with your normal AVR surround system and have it sound natural for your "theater" experience?
post #343 of 1138
Im using the sony 6500 wireless surround headphones direct from my sorces with optical cable cool.gif the sonys stock in ear headset isnt as crisp n clear but have more the bass than the 6500 cool.gif
But i like the wireless option and the batterylife on the 6500s are insain 20hours on one charge
post #344 of 1138
Orderd a darbee dablet cool.gif and gnna try that out with the T2 on movies games 2D and 3D and post my findings when it arrives
post #345 of 1138
Can the darbee scale screen size? Also how much?
post #346 of 1138
How are you guys liking you hmzt2? I had the t1 but ended up returning it, I didint like the headphones on them and had a feeling that they would break. I ordered a t2 and should be getting it next week. Are you guys modding yours to be more comfortable or is it ok out of the box.
post #347 of 1138
i think the real issue is tilt adjustment not possible and lastly the exit pupil is very small in T1/T2
i compare this with eMagin z800 3dvisor which i have - both these limitations are NOT there - resulting in seamless focus [without eyes straining] - optics of z800 the ultimate which i guess are patented so sony will never have that optics ever ! too bad.

emagin z800 's image Q sucks only if it'd be that of sony HMZ line up - i guess my search 'd have ended - alas! that's NOT to be !

Now i am trying if field sequential VGA is possible with z800 using 560m nvidia - reading forums though i have little hope if that's possible ! but hope is always ON! smile.gif
Edited by ancjob - 11/12/12 at 8:58pm
post #348 of 1138
Time to return the T2 frown.gif

I had the T1 but returned it due too discomfort, blurry edges, and very obvious grid pattern and one of the BIGGEST PROBLEMS I had with the T1 (which i tried two btw) which I haven't seen anyone mention is that on bright solid colours there is a very visible sheen/texture over the entire picture. Almost looks like dust particles covering the entire image. It reminds me of the old high gain rear projection TVs that had a very visible screen texture (they called in silk screen effect). Just though I'd mention that the T2 also has this problem.

Pros:

picture quality is definitely improved over the T1! Much better colours, sharpness (when in sweetspot).
Pixel grid is much less noticeable
lighter then T1
Removable headphones
Best black levels I've ever seen

Cons:
It's almost freaking impossible to get the image to be COMPLETELY in focus. Forget about getting in focus for more then an few minutes at a time. Even the slightest movement, i'm talking less then a mililiter and the picture losses some focus. I tried for hours and hours to get it to work but I just couldn't. Even manually holding the unit with my hands to acheive the perfect sweetspot was near impossible. So I find myself constantly adjusting and tightining until the pressure builds and an hour later I got a headache.

Sheen/texture is still there from the T1

Obviously comfort is still an issue and I find myself unable to enjoy a movie because of this.

Pixel grid while less visible then the T1 is still there.

Still feels like I'm watching movies through binoculars.


I REALLY wan't to like the T2 but I just can't. I get those moments sometimes that I'm like WOW this is awesome, but they can't outway all the issues I have with the T2. They really need a lighter more comfortable unit with 1080p and much better optics before I give an HMD another chance.
post #349 of 1138
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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

i think the real issue is tilt adjustment not possible and lastly the exit pupil is very small in T1/T2
i compare this with eMagin z800 3dvisor which i have - both these limitations are NOT there - resulting in seamless focus [without eyes straining] - optics of z800 the ultimate which i guess are patented so sony will never have that optics ever ! too bad.
emagin z800 's image Q sucks only if it'd be that of sony HMZ line up - i guess my search 'd have ended - alas! that's NOT to be !
Now i am trying if field sequential VGA is possible with z800 using 560m nvidia - reading forums though i have little hope if that's possible ! but hope is always ON! smile.gif

Just saw your post.

What do you mean by the exit pupil is very small?

I find that I also get alot of eyestrain when viewing the T2. It's almost like my brain expects certain things to be in perfect focus and when there not, my brain "tries" to make them focus and causes eye strain. I still can't believe how small the sweet spot is on the T2. I don't know how they can sell a second version with such a huge problem. I'm not exaggerating either. I think some people may just not notice or care for perfect edge to edge focus. Again, even holding the unit without the straps and just my hands I was unable to achieve what I would call perfect focus over the entire image. I am one picky SOB however.
post #350 of 1138
I honestly can't think of why you guys cannot achieve edge to edge focus.
For me I can achieve it, plus top and bottom focus in minutes.

For vertical focus there is about 1cm clearence up or down for me.
Horizontal is harder to manoeuvre but again say 1cm.

Could the optics be bigger? Maybe. I didn't make it so I have no idea.

As for comfort all I add is a 2cm sponge ontop of the forhead pad. I may still get a Blazin support tho to lift it off my nose.
post #351 of 1138
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Just saw your post.
What do you mean by the exit pupil is very small?
I find that I also get alot of eyestrain when viewing the T2. It's almost like my brain expects certain things to be in perfect focus and when there not, my brain "tries" to make them focus and causes eye strain. I still can't believe how small the sweet spot is on the T2. I don't know how they can sell a second version with such a huge problem. I'm not exaggerating either. I think some people may just not notice or care for perfect edge to edge focus. Again, even holding the unit without the straps and just my hands I was unable to achieve what I would call perfect focus over the entire image. I am one picky SOB however.

Exit pupil means very large/ huge 'sweet spot' ,in other words - No tunnel vision , closing onto peripheral vision [like our natural eye sight] - for me diagonal 40 of z800 is more than enough for games and movies ,

Sony's diagonal 51 is too much an overkill only leading to eye strain as the eye pupil will have to move from left top edge to the bottom right edge to analyze image. which will strain the eyes overtime unless they have 'fantastic' optics - this way of achieving 51 dia FOV is riddled with problems as many have already pointed out in their honest reviews of T1/T2.

Even oleds require angling just like their LCOS counter parts else they too look blurry so emagin has tilt/swivel to take care of that - clever eMagin !

For achieving perfect dia 40 without straining the eyes - the lenses have to have special tech. to allow for near peripheral vision , no tunnel effect which to date only z800 has achieved [ erstwhile olympus eye trek too] ! emagin uses clever refraction and total internal reflection to achieve this using spl. lenses !

refer here :
http://www.emagin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/WFO5.pdf
http://www.emagin.com/optics/

Too bad this emagin optics is patented so sony either will have to pay them to use this 'technology' / lenses whatever - which i think they will never do ! So say bye-bye to fantastic optics

For me i'd rather use active / passive 3d tech with gaming laptop using a large monitor than to strain [read rape] my eyes with HMZ as the optics is imperfect and head-casing totally uncomfortable and further to add insult to injury - T2 is pricey - so may be T3/T4......etc

I will wait for HMZ line with 'emagin like' optics till then i prefer to wait or do as above.
Edited by ancjob - 11/12/12 at 10:44pm
post #352 of 1138
Rather think the less resolution n contrast on the emargins makes the fault less visible vs the high contrast hd oled screens rolleyes.gif

Don't find much reviews of the emargins z800 so any info to back up ur clames? Don't even find any info on the emargin site abt the z800 optics is really the optics your revering to other than it seems to be made after the z800s wink.gif
Edited by vaktmestern - 11/12/12 at 11:00pm
post #353 of 1138
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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post

Rather think the less resolution n contrast on the emargins makes the fault less visible vs the high contrast hd oled screens rolleyes.gif
Don't find much reviews of the emargins z800 so any info to back up ur clames? Don't even find any info on the emargin site abt the z800 optics is really the optics your revering to other than it seems to be made after the z800s wink.gif

well - friend seems you are a newbie in video googles tech.
i have tried every other consumer HMD in the market but only z800 has lived up to it's promise despite being SVGA '2D' only.

believe or deny - despite low contrast SVGA resolution of z800 i am happy owning them.

Only issue - no latest 3d compatibility - but i ask what 3d content we have - those promo clips from companies like LG/samsung or the animation movies/games or the movies with little or subpar 3d content / imax documentaries and so NOT missing much - z800 being SVGA '2D' is still ok .

And what better is 3D on HMZ when the headset is marred with issues of optics / comfort to name a few !

For an HMD - optics is MOST IMPORTANT - rest all other considerations are secondary e.g 3d compatibility, input ports / formats etc.
HMZ has everything great! except for optics/comfort which undermines it as a not-so-great HMD in totality.

At least my eyes do not water-out or i do not feel nauseated / swirling-head using emagin all day.
z800 preferred over f**king my perfect vision with likes of HMZ etc. any day!

To the owners of HMZ - one sentence to say " best of luck with your vision and stay clear of Blood pressure issues"

even without HMZ - 3d cab be experienced thanks to active/passive 3D or the upcoming RDZ Tech from samsung soon
refer here : http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/samsung-reald-announce-rdz-tech-that-puts-active-shutter-3d-int/

but again where is the real 3d content to enjoy!
3D will be relevant only when quality material is available in 3D ONLY !
Edited by ancjob - 11/13/12 at 12:06am
post #354 of 1138
ancjob, just for the record, you didn't had the chance yet to try the T1 or T2, am i right?
post #355 of 1138
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Originally Posted by DG25 View Post

ancjob, just for the record, you didn't had the chance yet to try the T1 or T2, am i right?

i'd tried the T1 once that was purchased from ebay - later on returned it for refund! lost on custom taxes and return shipping , a pricey shock for me!
same issues as the reviews for T1 read - guess i'd have read reviews first - learnt the hard way.
hence NOT impressed with T2 as it's essentially the T1 slightly modified
i hope that sets the record straight
T2 i have NOT yet tried as it still is not in India yet hopefully before Christmas - it will be here for demo
but i do not have high expectations at all.
post #356 of 1138
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Originally Posted by DG25 View Post

ancjob, just for the record, you didn't had the chance yet to try the T1 or T2, am i right?

When are you getting yours?

Also this thing is best paired with a PS3, sorry 360 fans but the experience I get on SuperStardust HD in 3D literally poops in your face. If you can afford a $1k 3D headset I don't see why you can't afford a $200 PS3.

Trust me when I say this, you all need a PS3.
post #357 of 1138
In a week or two, i hope i'll get the chance to try a demo unit before buying.

I already have a PS3 (also SuperStardust HD, bought it a long time ago) and a good enough PC for 3D games. I still need to learn about 3D terminology, though, as i never used it on my PC before (for movies/games). Is nvidia 3DTV the best option available right now?
post #358 of 1138
Super stardust is ace in 3D cool.gif just got cod blackops 2 that im gnna play through the story in 3D cool.gif
post #359 of 1138
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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

well - friend seems you are a newbie in video googles tech.
i have tried every other consumer HMD in the market but only z800 has lived up to it's promise despite being SVGA '2D' only.
believe or deny - despite low contrast SVGA resolution of z800 i am happy owning them.
Only issue - no latest 3d compatibility - but i ask what 3d content we have - those promo clips from companies like LG/samsung or the animation movies/games or the movies with little or subpar 3d content / imax documentaries and so NOT missing much - z800 being SVGA '2D' is still ok .
And what better is 3D on HMZ when the headset is marred with issues of optics / comfort to name a few !
For an HMD - optics is MOST IMPORTANT - rest all other considerations are secondary e.g 3d compatibility, input ports / formats etc.
HMZ has everything great! except for optics/comfort which undermines it as a not-so-great HMD in totality.
At least my eyes do not water-out or i do not feel nauseated / swirling-head using emagin all day.
z800 preferred over f**king my perfect vision with likes of HMZ etc. any day!
To the owners of HMZ - one sentence to say " best of luck with your vision and stay clear of Blood pressure issues"
even without HMZ - 3d cab be experienced thanks to active/passive 3D or the upcoming RDZ Tech from samsung soon
refer here : http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/samsung-reald-announce-rdz-tech-that-puts-active-shutter-3d-int/
but again where is the real 3d content to enjoy!
3D will be relevant only when quality material is available in 3D ONLY !

Well buddy there sum faults in all of this but sum good points aswell. cool.gif

Im havent any issue with blurry sides on the t2 comfort is so good i can do 4 hours easly withouth any oroblem
Samsung abandoned real 3D ages back lad so dont wait for that smile.gif
Real 3D is sparse but sum movies are 3D only like dreed 3D and thats got great native 3D
post #360 of 1138
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Originally Posted by Mickice View Post

Can the darbee scale screen size? Also how much?

Dont think the darbee has a scaling option it just cleans the picture makes it pop more
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