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post #691 of 1138
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Originally Posted by 3Dtechno View Post

Have mastered the art of mounting it on - once it's mounted slightly tight i does not fall off / slide but yes the optics 'd be improved as the viewing angle in VERY small , need to look right on to get the screen clear from edge to edge so sweet spot is definitely there and [very small] / takes some patience to achieve.
Being front heavy - it puts pressure on the forehead so frequent breaks are ok

Everyone has their head shaped different, so this just amounts to you posting what difficulties you had and is not relevant to anyone else.
For someone who doesnt realise this and reads your post, it might scare away a potential customer and this lack of sale could hurt the possibility of further improvements to this product.


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Originally Posted by 3Dtechno View Post

3d is quite good but the pop factor is not that apparent as in the shutter type 3D led TV technology.

The strength of the pop effect is based on whether you can see the frame of reference which is why the HMD lacks a little in that dept and TVs dont.
The type of tech used to display the 3D has nothing to do with it.


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Originally Posted by 3Dtechno View Post

But the lack of good 3D content is still an issue for major investment in large 3D TVs for me atm.

There is enough 3D content to choose from.
http://www.3dmovielist.com/3ddvds.html
And more coming
http://www.3dmovielist.com/list.html


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Originally Posted by 3Dtechno View Post

But given the ergonomic issues - for diehard 3D fans - 40-65' inchers 3D led TVs will be better anytime [active shutter tech].

You might want to consider 3D projectors then which will easily give you a picture twice as big for the same if not a lesser price.
post #692 of 1138
I been using my HMZ-T2 out on the field to shoot 3D. I connected it to a battery and then plug it into my JVC 3D cams HDMI for a live view of what I am shooting. Works great so I get perfect 3D shots for my movies all the time. I shoot macro 3D and it's good to see how it looks on the HMZ while shooting.
post #693 of 1138
I keep reading about the "tunnel effect" but i still can't imagine how bad it is. How big are the black borders you see around the image (if you watch in total darkness)? For example, i found this poor quality video of one lens playing a movie, is this how you see the screen? Please ignore the unfocused image and shaky camera, can't be avoided when you film this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI54-hazVBg Does this come close to how you see the screen when mounted on your head? I'm referring to the actual screen size relative to its surrounding black areas, not the quality of the image.
Edited by DG25 - 12/27/12 at 4:24am
post #694 of 1138
Hallo all, sorry for english is not perfect :-) ....
I want buy this new SONY HMZ-T2 but i have few question :

1: make this sony system 3D alone or is 3D signal required from ntb, pc,blueray player ....?
2: I want run it on my alienware notebook with amd hd 6990m - there is 3D support via Tridef3D software and last drivers. Have anyone AMD card and run this 3D personal viewer on it? Work good? I have read on Tomshardware preview and games works good...

Thanks for your time..
Kulda
post #695 of 1138
Regarding my previous post, i'm still trying to find out how it looks like when you use the HMZ in total darkness (or with the light blockers) and how bad is the tunnel vision that some report. I made 3 images, each of them with the screen occupying more of your view. Which one is closer to how you see the "cinema" screen with the HMZ?





Thanks!

Kulda17, i think i can answer your questions:
1. You need a source: PC, blu ray player, etc
2. Although i don't have a HMZ yet, i've read that it works ok with TriDef3D.
Edited by DG25 - 12/27/12 at 2:49pm
post #696 of 1138
I don't understand the tunnel vision either... On the HMZ-T1 I owned, yes I felt like that but on the new T2 I don't feel like it's tunnel vision at all. I feel more like I am in a movie theater with no one around to bother me and can enjoy the movie on a massive IMAX like screen. I am getting a full picture with no blurry edges and with my cushion pads can view for hours and hours with hardly any pain.
I use my pitch black to make it totally dark and lay down on my couch and just get so into it, it really is a great experience.
post #697 of 1138
@DG25 if the film that shot in 16:9 then you don't see black borders at all. you could make the 4th sample which fill up with only image without black bars ( left , right, top or bottom ) but if the film shot in different mode which will have black bars top and bottom but not on the sides.

the tunnel effect as ppl state on the site , as the illusion of how your eyes look at the screes 2inch away from your eyes but the lens zoom in and illusion your brain that you look at big screen from distance, i think you need to go to sony centre and try one yourself but you won't get best experience as it won't be in dark room at sony centre.
Edited by jommy999 - 12/28/12 at 2:55am
post #698 of 1138
I have he T2 and it fills more of your view than the 3rd pic you posted. No tunnel vision at all, just seems like a large projector screen. I can get almost all the screen in view expect for the far right is slightly blurry but it doesn't worry me too much. I noticed I clearer the image is and the better you can see all 4 corners of the 'screen' the more it feels like you are in a theater.

If I shave away part of the nose mould I might be able to get my face even closer and hopefully get a perfect image with no blur on the right side. But I'm scared to do this because then I can't sell it frown.gif
post #699 of 1138
Hmmm....I presumed that the tunnel vision is similar to seeing the screen from far away, like sitting the last row in a dark cinema or looking at the screen through reverse binoculars.
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Originally Posted by jommy999 View Post

@DG25 if the film that short in 16:9 then you don't see black borders at all. you could make the 4th sample which fill up with only image without black bars ( left , right, top or bottom ) but if the film short in different mode which will have black bars top and bottom but not on the sides.
Not sure how to explain this, but doesn't the area surrounding the lens+screens add to the perceived black border? Of course, this would be the case only if you use the light blockers or watch in total darkness. Otherwise i'm guessing you'll see the surrounding room through the bottom openings.
post #700 of 1138
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Originally Posted by DG25 View Post

Hmmm....I presumed that the tunnel vision is similar to seeing the screen from far away, like sitting the last row in a dark cinema or looking at the screen through reverse binoculars.
Not sure how to explain this, but doesn't the area surrounding the lens+screens add to the perceived black border? Of course, this would be the case only if you use the light blockers or watch in total darkness. Otherwise i'm guessing you'll see the surrounding room through the bottom openings.

yes not sure how to explain it, all of users as far as i know won't have problem about black area borders at all ( so you don't have to worry ). you won't notice it as the simple of those 3 pics. the feeling when using T2 is just a room fill up with big cinema screen ( the black borders top and bottom only from the film itself ) , the tunnel effect is what some ppl worry and want it to improve . imagine you look through toilet paper tubes in cinema . the screen cinema is the same size but you could see or have the feeling of looking through a tunnel rather than your open naked eyes.

ps, i dont have problem with tunnel effect ( just try to make the room dark and no light leak in then you good to go ) have a look at bravia3D item . i am using them ( his pitchblack light blocker is best , it come with forehead cushion pad which it will easier to get screen in focus too ) , btw i don't know him personally i just love his products.
post #701 of 1138
No tunnel effect here, its like looking into a box for me and in the box is this huge screen.
I actually love 4:3 movies on this, the black borders are less perceived because of the pure blackness.
post #702 of 1138
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post #703 of 1138
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

I been using my HMZ-T2 out on the field to shoot 3D. I connected it to a battery and then plug it into my JVC 3D cams HDMI for a live view of what I am shooting. Works great so I get perfect 3D shots for my movies all the time. I shoot macro 3D and it's good to see how it looks on the HMZ while shooting.
Hey Bravia3D, are you working on some personal projects or with a proper team? do you think others in the field of Visual Effects/DOP's would use the HMZ for similar purposes?
was it easy to mod to take batteries? does it use lots of power?

so when on the field setting up a shot with the HMZ for real time reviewing, are you creating shots that would ultimately look best through HMD's or would it still be a good idea of what it would look like on a projector screen?
thanks for your info
post #704 of 1138
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

Yes, you are totally correct!
This SONY T2 is the best cheapest 3D consumer HMD available at this moment and there is no alternative.
T2 is just a quick "small update" to earn back the investment costs of T1.
I think T3 will be totally redesigned back as the former glasstron types.
I think there is still market for these 2D/3D videoglasses and the "cheap low res" chinese variants of will properly upgrades within 10yrs to 3D hi-res.
Epson Moverio BT-100, "expensive" crap stand alone android only, mid res 3D videoglasses with projection LCD!, is the only other brand trying to step in.
Will see if T3 over 3yrs got a properly comfortable full hd redesign!, will get a T2 if the price comes around 500 USD.

Ah initially i also thought of getting the T1 - used for usd$400-500 but then i settled for T2 though had to pay on the high side [the offer!] as Latest version is always better than the predecessor.
And i am Happy - this is Big Screen theater [create your own imax @ home in utter privacy]. smile.gif
Also IPD adjustments are very important as if not properly done the rt/left edges might get blurred out.So take time.And do not get frustrated.
So this is NOT a out-of-box plug'n'play just give it time and 'Explore' it and by the time you perfected this device - you have fallen in love with it. smile.gif
This is not a substitute of 3D 55 incher big boys [oops panels] but ok - i'd still recommend to 3D diehards that they get the 55+ incher [active shutter 3D] for the ultimate 3D.
Currently collecting 3D blu-rays and plan on getting the Sony 3D big boys soon!

I will keep this and wait for t4/t5/t6......etc with those suggestions conceded by Sony [1080p,ergonomics,higher fov 60+,usb powered etc] till then this is my companion for good.

Hope this helps !
post #705 of 1138
Yes!!!

That's all I can say after using my brand spankin new T2! I had the T1 for a year but sold it to be able to get the T2. I was VERY rarely able to get full focus on all four corners and had to be very still and very uncomfortable. I tried every possible combinations of different cushions and straps length but was never truly able to get a perfect in focus field!
After trying the T2 for a few minutes and adjusting very little, I had almost perfect focus in all corners and I'm pretty sure I can get all four corners in focus after more adjustments. This is 1000% better than the T1. Also, for some reason, on the T1, I had the impression of looking at a small screen right in front of my eyes. But with the T2, I truly feel like I'm in an IMAX theatre. Not sure if it is a placebo effect but I don't really care at this point.
I was so disappointed with the T1 that I was very skeptical about the T2 and almost did not buy it after reading this thread. I then decided to check it out myself at a sony store in Paris and was sold. I ordered mine from Japan since I live in the US and saw a reply from a Sony rep on some Sony thread that unfortunately, the T2 will not make it to the US! What a shame!

I will try to post more impressions as I get to use it more but overall, I'm super impressed with this T2!

Cheers!!

P.S.: I discovered that you may get a better result by actually adjusting the straps so that your eyes are as further away from the lenses as possible without getting blurry spots. Give it a try!
post #706 of 1138
been looking for a good t2 youtube review , anyone going to do one ? , and the ebay hmz t2's from japan hongkong are they ok for uk ? i want to buy one of these but not sure ... they seem to be about £400 cheaper , smile.gif
post #707 of 1138
Shonofear, sorry for a late reply. I am using a battery that the HMZ plugs right into just like a wall outlet. It last about 2 hours and works great.

I am not working with a team, just myself making 3D movies. I use the HMZ to preview what I am shooting, what looks good on the HMZ usually looks good on my 3D TV's.
post #708 of 1138
is it possible for playing a ps3 game to have 1p on the hmz-t2 and 2p on the HDTV?
post #709 of 1138
I get best results with finding the sweet spot with loose straps, which is usually angled up a bit and as close as my head shape will allow then tightening up.
Its weird how up close and further away can both provide good focus and how adjustments don't shake the screen around too much more so just the optics.

Some seriously impressive magic going on here.
Make.Believe people.
post #710 of 1138
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Originally Posted by pita123 View Post

is it possible for playing a ps3 game to have 1p on the hmz-t2 and 2p on the HDTV?
Only if you clone the signal with a hdmi splitter. The game of course should support 2 player (or 4) mp on the same screen. And if your TV is 2D only, you should also use the HMZ in 2D mode when you do this, otherwise i don't think it will work.
post #711 of 1138
I owned the HMZ_T1 and the tunnel vision matches more of image 3. However, make the image a little bigger and thats a good idea of how it is.
post #712 of 1138
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Shonofear, sorry for a late reply. I am using a battery that the HMZ plugs right into just like a wall outlet. It last about 2 hours and works great.
I am not working with a team, just myself making 3D movies. I use the HMZ to preview what I am shooting, what looks good on the HMZ usually looks good on my 3D TV's.
cheers 4 the reply.
is your work more nature filming etc? what camera setup do you have going?
post #713 of 1138
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Originally Posted by tontondavid View Post

Yes!!!
That's all I can say after using my brand spankin new T2! I had the T1 for a year but sold it to be able to get the T2. I was VERY rarely able to get full focus on all four corners and had to be very still and very uncomfortable. I tried every possible combinations of different cushions and straps length but was never truly able to get a perfect in focus field!
After trying the T2 for a few minutes and adjusting very little, I had almost perfect focus in all corners and I'm pretty sure I can get all four corners in focus after more adjustments. This is 1000% better than the T1. Also, for some reason, on the T1, I had the impression of looking at a small screen right in front of my eyes. But with the T2, I truly feel like I'm in an IMAX theatre. Not sure if it is a placebo effect but I don't really care at this point.
I was so disappointed with the T1 that I was very skeptical about the T2 and almost did not buy it after reading this thread. I then decided to check it out myself at a sony store in Paris and was sold. I ordered mine from Japan since I live in the US and saw a reply from a Sony rep on some Sony thread that unfortunately, the T2 will not make it to the US! What a shame!
I will try to post more impressions as I get to use it more but overall, I'm super impressed with this T2!
Cheers!!
P.S.: I discovered that you may get a better result by actually adjusting the straps so that your eyes are as further away from the lenses as possible without getting blurry spots. Give it a try!


Can anyone else confirm the HMZ-T2 will not be releasing in the US?
post #714 of 1138
The tunnel effect is due to the lens reflection on the side that make the image border glow. The effect is like looking at afar through a tunnel, where the bright light from the side will reduce the image contrast. The best way to reduce this effect is to darken the lens side border with matte paint.
post #715 of 1138
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Originally Posted by shonofear View Post

cheers 4 the reply.
is your work more nature filming etc? what camera setup do you have going?

You are welcome, well I try to do a mix of things. Since I am in Japan there are so many interesting things to film. I have filmed custom car shows, aquariums, the first Christian churches here and some volcanos. At the moment I am working on a simple movie about flowers. I went to a large flower park here and shot numerous flowers with a macro adapter which turned out amazing.

My filming setup includes,

JVC-GS TD1 3D cam, Cyclopital base extender, Cyclopital macro adapter, Marumi +3 macro lens, Kenko +5 macro lens and the HMZ-T2 for viewing while shooting connected to a large battery.
post #716 of 1138
What audio codecs will this accept and play? I can't remember what my T1 took but I don't think it accepted the new codecs (DTS MA or TrueHD).

Also, for those planning to game with this, be warned that if you move your head when gaming, it can cause you to lose your orientation while gaming and you could lose that split second advantage and die. I hoped to use my T1 for playing COD but found after a while that I lost a lot of battles because I sometimes jerk when someone pops up unexpectedly and when my head would move, my eyes would momentarily lose focus and it would take a sec to recapture the image.
post #717 of 1138
Well.. after following the HMZ-T1, and then the T2, for almost 2 years now.. I finally couldn't resist pulling the trigger and I ordered a unit from an autralian seller on ebay with excellent 300+ feedback. It was the lowest price I'd seen it to date! 906+28 US with express shipping included. Also comes with a 240v to 120v converter

I'm anticipating I'll probably get nailed for ~150$ in tax and duties.. though it'd be great if I somehow dodged it this time! We all get lucky sometimes wink.gif

I also went on blazin3d to order their cushion pads.. and got charmed into adding their carry bag and their pitch black cover kit..

I figure if I'm doing this I better get the most immersive crazy 3d experience out of it as I can.. and I heard great things about their products.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to complete the order because blazin3d is currently having problems with their paypal account.. but I'll check back next week to finalize the order.

To finish off my xmas-gift-to-myself.. and I've really been a good boy last year barely spending in comparison to previous years.. I decided it was time to get some sick 3d surround headphones.

After doing an hour's worth of research, a minimum before buying anything remotely expensive (50$ or more), I deducted that those "gaming headsets" are crappy gimicks and that you should aim for better sound and comfort if you're going to be doing mostly gaming.

That means the best solution is to get a seperate mini-amp that does the job of making your source sound in simulated 3D and get a pair of comfortable and quality headphones.

After some reading I decided to get the Astro MixAmp Pro for the amp.. which surprisingly only cost ~150$ with shipping. And for the headphones I got what appears to be the best value for your dollar headphones right now.. the SteelSeries Siberia V2 headphones. I got their least expensive color for only 85$! wow.. it happens to be PINK though =P but I figure that'll look alright with the T2's light silver color.. plus it'll make a great conversation starter with all the people that will be lining up to try the immersive experience for themselves ;p

So.. really excited about trying this! I made a list of the "most immersive" PC games.. largely based on google's results to that question. It seems Bioshock 1 and Amnesia are going to be the craziest experiences.. I also can't wait to play it with all the graphics maxed out on games like Far Cry 3 and Skyrim for the sweet feeling of being in nature.. next to a waterfall looking out at a sunset. Dat's gonna be nuuts! I also wanna re-try GTA4.. I remember how amazing that game looked when I stood only 3 feet away from my 120'' projector screen. I also can't wait to try it out with my racing playseat with G25 racing wheel and pedals. That also should be amazing!

I was wondering if anyone knows about some sweet 3D video footage.. stuff like POV roller coaster rides or stuff that's filmed precisely with a VR HMD in mind. The kinda stuff they showed at the HMZ-T2 SR Prototype unveiling. I guess this stuff must be really rare right now.. I really hope there starts to be more of it! Hell this is a very niche product right now and I'm sure a lot of VR scenes could go a long way into make it more popular.

Who knows.. maybe VR will one day amount to the kind of technology they had in the 2000 "new millenium" movie Strange Days. That was a wicked good movie and I figure with something like the HMZ-T2 and the right head or eye-level mounted camera.. you could really reproduce the same effect as in the movie.. minus the brain neuro-stimulation of course ;p

Still! It'd be great to have a new website where you can view POV footage exclusively meant to be used by HMD users! Hell maybe I should make that website!
post #718 of 1138
What about lying down on the bed and putting on your favorite pov gonzo, then have your gf... that would be worth the price for sure.
post #719 of 1138
An ASUS Xonar U3 would have done you for $40. Superb sound for the money and has Dolby Headphone.
post #720 of 1138
OK still loving the HMZ T2, and would like to know if anyone has got heat tracking to work in Gran Turismo 5? Loving it without, but it would be the icing on the cake if I could get that to work together with my headset.

Regards

Lewis
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