Sony HMZ-T2 Personal 3D Viewer HMD Dedicated Thread - Page 29

Is anybody use HMZ T2 ?
Any comments ?
Is it worth it ?

I finally got my HMZ-T2, haven't had much time to settle into it.

Anyone have advice on the optimal place for it to sit as far as getting the entire screen in focus?

Currently I can get 3/4ths of the screen in focus on either eye, but the either the left edge is blurred for the right eye, or the right edge is blurred for the left eye. Would having the device closer or farther away from my face help?

And in terms of comfort, should I tighten the back straps first, or start with the ones on the sides?

Oh, and finally, any tips on image adjustment? The colors on the standard setting seem a little off. Thanks!

I've tried a bit of a snowboarding game "SSX" and i'm impressed with the immersion factor, and It's not even in 3D. Looking forward to getting my headphones hooked up and getting lost in a movie.

Update: Some fiddling has yielded better results with focusing. Had to remove the bottom light-blocker so I could get in closer.

But now my biggest concern is the 'tunnel vision' people refer to. Some of the light hitting the lens gets bounced back and distracts from the screen. Does anyone know a good tutorial for A) Disassembling the device, and B) painting the lens edges black?
Edited by chibiracer - 2/12/13 at 3:11pm

Yes to both questions. The voltage is international and english is present.

Yes its worth it, but be carefull with the rear strap as its fragile perhaps oil the rubber to make it last longer as it cracks

hi from athens greece...i would like to know if it has frame interpolation on movies or games..some tvs have that ..in different names(smooth motion etc)or maybe clear mode is really frame interpolation on hmz-t2..

So you are posting in a thread dedicated to discussing this product and you post a q like this on page 28 ??!!

I didn't understand what do wrong?

Most posting here own or have used the HMZ-T2.

To answer many new peoples questions that are wanting to buy an HMZ-T2,

YES you can use English and other languages, the voltage is international and YES it is amazing to use and great for movies and games.

Sigh I hope the bigger forehead cushion I ordered from bravia3D help me out. Manual says do not let it sit on ur nose but if I don't let it sit on my nose and strapped very tight against my head the image won't be sharp as it won't be aligned with ny eyes. So now using computer is a pain cause there is great pressure on my head and nose is sore and red after... Keeping image in sharpness is a chore so I have resorted to finding a good spot then tightening it to dangerous levels... I'm seriously worried of the back cables will definitely break sooner or later. Ps3 is much better since I lay in bed and play so there is less pressure just sometimes if I play with my glasses on then the hmz pushes the glasses into my eye lids but overall it's ok.

DOOM 3 is amazing in 3D,graphics are dated but action and all that and the 3D effects are seamless... On ps3 kill zone 3 was breathtaking for first 30 min.... I thought I was there.... I went over to a balcony and looked down just cause it was so life like.... Pain to keep in sharpness but whatever.

I'm gonna try Titanic or avatar 3D soon and maybe some 2D games and see how much better those are. Maybe keeping stuff in sharpness would be less of an issue with 2D... Not sure if I'll keep it or not yet but I haven't tinkered with it enough yet... And wanna wait for the stuff from bravia3D to get here... When it work though it really works.



About hmz 3 or ps4...It's definitely coming... When I went to Sony store there was a team from Tokyo there interviewing people who tried the demo HMZ unit there and spoke to me about why I was buying and what I would improve about the design.

So it's coming for sure.

i'm disappointed with my hmz t2. It's heavy, it makes pressure on my forehead and the image is not as beautiful as i expected (purple tint like somebody noticed, blacks are good, but it's no miracle from oled). It could have been very good, if it had not this challenge to find the sweet spot.I'm constantly struggling to find the sweet spot, i was scared about that before buying it, and it is confirmed, it's a struggle to find this damn sweet spot.

This device is a pain in the ass, how could sony ever release something like that i mean, even a cushion pad would have helped, why it is sold by a normal person like blazin 3d and not by sony? heck

blazin3d, tell me, do your cushion pad really help the blurry edges? how do you set the focals? i need to let both triggers at the maximum sides , because if not,, even one pull further makes the edge of the screen totally blurry (and even like that it's still blurry, but way less) but then it's the middle of the screen which is a bit blurry... i need help with this device, like the guy just before me said, i tested it with pretty much every position and what i found the best was that i needed to let it rest on my nose if i want a "sharp" image , because if not it's totally blurry (even if it stays blurry on the edges like that). it's really uncomfortable, but before solving the rgonomics i would like what i paid for, a sharp image... i'm so sad

please help, i feel like i've wasted my money
Edited by dislaire - 2/15/13 at 1:38am

Hi your thoughts are mirrored by everyone one who loves their HMZ. On day one i wanted to take it and shove it up the backside of the sony rep who told me its gets more comfy when you get it home, what rubbish.

Anyway we all modded in some way and it has worked out fantastic for thise who managed a succesful mod.

And as you said, a mod that could turn it from the pile of junk to stunning is so dam simple. You would think sonl would sell it with a "geeky" lookin otpional mount system ie. ski googles style... Dam sony.

Whoa !! That is big news you just dropped in an ending sentence.

Can you elaborate on which store you went to and whether the demo unit was a T2 or a prototype of a T3 ?

Also, did you ask them any questions in return ?

I registered an account with Tenso.com last night. Unfortunately they make you register a payment method with them before you even buy anything. Warning to anyone else thinking about doing this: Use Paypal, not a credit/debit card. Woke up this morning to messages from my bank that my card had been compromised/copied and charges had been made from Tenso that they wiped off. I now havce to wait a week for a new card. Not only that, the instructions for ordering from Amazon.jp were very unclear so I didn't proceed with my order.

yes, it's for shipping fee. I don't know what happenned to you, for me and my friend it always worked like wonder (it's how i received my hmz).If you don't know how to fill your adress, here's the link https://www.tenso.com/en/guide/buy/address.html theres an image with amazon account, just reproduce this it's very easy. I used paypal so no charge whatsoever
Edited by dislaire - 2/16/13 at 1:46am

i don't know how to mod, i'm very new to this and won't risk to break a 1000$ device...For this price, we shouldn't need to mod for me, sony are really dumb( and i'm too for buying it).Wht advice can you give me? did you test blazin3d accessories?

Yes yorkdale store in toronto... They have sold only 4 since they got em in stock in Jan.

Team wanted to know if I knew anyone who had it, how I heard of it, what I would do to improve it, what price would be appropriate, and I asked when T3 is coming they just said they doing consumer survey Lololol yah all the way from Japan to do a survey with cameras and all. Yah ok




Update about mine... I just solved 80 percent of my issues.... Idiot me had forgotten about the forehead adjuster.... Pushed it back all the way and it's much easier to keep in focus. Will play more tonight.

The pass through needs 2 hdmi INs man, so annoying

My cushion and straps will take a month plus shipping from bravia3D but pretty sure they won't do jack for sharpness. First day was a nightmare for sharpness for me and comfort... My nose was all red and sore... Second day was 50 percent better and Last night after the forehead adjustment it became even better. I'm getting closer and closer to keeping it now

Anyone have any hints on how to view SBS vids from computer? All 3D options are on and on auto in the hmz and movie is a sbs rip of a dvd.... It's in mkv format I think... I tried bunch of players (power dvd vlc wmp) and nothing works. What gives?

I finally got my cushions from Blazin3D and I have to say it is a must for this HMZ-T2 (at least for me). You're correct in a sense when you say that it won't help the focusing BUT, if you do find an awkward position where you get everything in focus but where you have to hold it because it doesn't stay in place, then the cushion will help you. For me, I used to adjust it a lot while watching a movie before I had the cushions but now, I put it on and don't even need to adjust anything because it just sits on your head easily! I really think it is a good investment. I tried it for a few minutes last night but I will tell you guys some more after I get to use it for a longer period.

Cheers.

Very sorry it takes so long for each customers cushions. Keep in mind, we aren't a large business. Each set is being hand made by my wife and I. We get numerous orders each day and it gets quite busy! We try hard to make them and rush them out for all.

We are very glad they are working for people though, that's why we make them!


Sent from Josh Blazin 3D Manager from iPhone 5

Finally got mine and love it. Using with Sony PS3 wireless headphones, so no extra wires to deal with. I have the tunnel vision and am wondering what is the fix?

Hey, Blazin, just curious. When we buy just the HMZ-t2 without any mod, does it still take a long time before you ship it out?

Those are (normal) video format, 3D ripped into half SBS (H-SBS) and Media Player Classic will play them all mkv, mp4, mts formats etc.
Download free mpc: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Media_Player_Classic.htm

Since HSBS are just normal video's with stereo images (hence side by side), it won't be auto detected as 3D, so you'll need to manually select the [Side by Side] option in [3D Display] menu on hmz!
Edited by iBrad - 2/17/13 at 3:15am

If you want the improve electronically fast the PQ/sharpness/colors/viewing angle etc., the OLED displays and inside electronics also needs some period of break-in/aging time.
You can use pixel jogger for this purpose: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406663/pixel-jogger-break-in-improves-pq-plasma-lcd-led-tv-for-diy-users-only-w-disclaimer
Just leave it play 4+ hours loops and see if you can notice any PQ improvements.

Since the hmz screens will automatically turn off, when it isn't on your head, so you'll need something to push the (hidden) detector switch on the forehead supporter.

Enjoy!

IBrad thanks alot ill check it out at home. I don't know if the break in time is a myth or if I'm just getting better at adjusting the mount so it fits better and faster but now when I put it on image comes in sharp much easier and faster.

Irregardless I say to all those who are buying or thinking of buying it, do it but definitely give it a fair amount of time to test and play with. Gets easier every time

From what I have read the only solution is to disassemble the device and paint the edges of the lenses a matte black (chalkboard paint is one suggestion). I find the tunnel vision really distracting, from what would otherwise be a movie-theater view.

I will be trying to take it apart and paint the lenses today, I'll let you know how it goes and if there's any improvement.

Please post some pictures, if you can. Thanks.

One observation that nobody has mentioned with this device: Over time your eyeballs will adjust to better focus on the screen.

The optics aren't perfect and they require your eyes to hold a certain focus which is unnatural at first and can lead to blurry edges.

But now that I've been using the device for a week, my eyes have developed some muscle memory and can easily get back to their 'in-focus' state, with little or no adjustment of the sliders. For the same reason, prolonged use leaves your eyes feeling a bit sore.
Edited by chibiracer - 2/17/13 at 12:57pm

If you buy just the HMZ-T2 from us it won't take to long as we won't have to make the pads.

Ok, I completed my lens-painting mod.

For those who are interested, the purpose of this mod is to reduce the tunnel-vision effect that casts a ring of light around the screen, distracting from normal viewing, and decreasing immersion. I have virtually no experience with taking things apart, or putting them back together. Still, I found the process fairly straightforward, but it is very easy to damage something.

Before we get any further, I'll give you my conclusion right now: It doesn't really help, and in disassembling and painting you risk breaking something, leaving you worse off than you started.

If none of that deters you, let's carry on. I couldn't cover every detail, and pictures wouldn't have shown much, so feel free to ask about anything you're having trouble with.

The materials I used:
- a philips head screwdriver (says PH-000 and 1/16 on mine)
- a wooden toothpick
- a small brush (as small as possible, the lenses are small, and the area to paint over is about a millimeter wide)
- black chalkboard paint (latex based)

The process:
Disassembly (I used this video as a reference)
- The big difference is that the HMZ-T1 has an easily removable forehead rest. The T2 forehead rest requires some additional unscrewing to remove it from its sliding track. It's also connected to the circuit board, which means it will be dangling by that wire for the duration of the project.
- There are tons, and I mean TONS of screws. There are 3 different sizes, with two of them being so similar they fit into each others holes. At the end of the project I had one left over screw, but it doesn't seem to have affected anything. Two particular screws are so small, and in such an awkward position, it was almost impossible to get them back in place. My screwdriver was not magnetic, so I ended up using the toothpick to put them in place.
- There are several fragile wires that you'll have to be careful with. Again, they will be dangling from the side at times. Eventually the lens contraption itself will be somewhat separated and easier to work with.
- There is a small piece of black tape with a screw hiding behind it. If you just can't seem to separate the nose-piece/buttons from the lenses, make sure you didn't miss it, or any other hiding screws.


Forehead rest removed.


Optics detached from circuit board. Hard to see, but the right lens has its cover partially removed, exposing the edge underneath. You will need to remove the cover entirely to get at all of the edges. This can be tricky because of the way the cover is hooked in place. Instead of just pulling on it, try pushing it in slightly and depressing the tabs that hold it in place before pulling them out. Do NOT remove the screw just above the center of the lens. That keeps the OLEDS attached, and you don't want that exposed.

Painting
- The area you want to paint is tiny. You need as fine a brush as you can find and a steady hand. The 'edge' of the lens is made up of two parts: a 'flat' perpendicular part, then a 45 degree angle part, followed by the curved part your eyes actually look through. Personally, I was confident in my skills and painted right up to the edge of the curved part. I accidentally got a small amount of paint on the lens, but was able to remove it easily with the toothpick.
- It will require multiple coats. After putting on the first coat, you will probably still be able to see light shining through the paint.

Reassembly
- Once you reattach the circuit board to the lens hardware and try to mount it in the frame, make sure the focus sliders work. I made the mistake of reassembling it most of the way, only to find that the left slider wasn't in place and could not adjust it, which meant disassembling it all over again.
- I found it very difficult to put it all back together without getting the lenses greasy. Might as well wait until it's all done to clean them instead of doing it over and over.

End result
- Everything still works! Woo hoo!
- There seems to be slightly less of a ring of light, but it's still there, and it's still noticeable.

Final Thoughts:
I can think of two reasons why this mod does not solve the problem. Either there is a tiny sliver of light making it through the edge of where I painted but it's too close to cover without also painting the lens itself, or the tunnel-vision is simply a defect of the lenses. Many people have wondered why Sony didn't make lenses with blackened edges like other manufacturers do. It's possible their engineers already knew this wouldn't fix anything.
Edited by chibiracer - 2/17/13 at 7:56pm