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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hi All,
Greetings from Seattle. This is the first message for me and i am totaly a newbie on HT environment.
I have a basement that i want to convert it to a media room with surround system and some type of a display device and that is where i need advice from the geeks. This room will be 90% movie+TV and 10% music

My room is 17x15. Heigt is 7ft. I was planning to put Epson 6010 with a 120" screen but i am not sure whether this is too large for that room or not. I went to Best Buy yestarday to get an "expert(!)" opinion for that room and the guy told me to get a 60" or 65" LED.



This room will not be used other than watching or listening something. There is no windows on anywhere except the back of the projector which will be controlled.


So can you guys give me an advice on this. Is this room is enough for a projector setup?
post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by burton123 View Post

Hi All,
Greetings from Seattle. This is the first message for me and i am totaly a newbie on HT environment.
I have a basement that i want to convert it to a media room with surround system and some type of a display device and that is where i need advice from the geeks. This room will be 90% movie+TV and 10% music
My room is 17x15. Heigt is 7ft. I was planning to put Epson 6010 with a 120" screen but i am not sure whether this is too large for that room or not. I went to Best Buy yestarday to get an "expert(!)" opinion for that room and the guy told me to get a 60" or 65" LED.

This room will not be used other than watching or listening something. There is no windows on anywhere except the back of the projector which will be controlled.
So can you guys give me an advice on this. Is this room is enough for a projector setup?

The room is great for a projector. The Best Buy guy does not know what he is talking about, there is nothing that can replicate the experience of watching a movie or TV on a large projection screen vs a much smaller LED. The 6010 is a solid projector, I think that is a great pick for your room.

As for screen size, this is entirely dependent on seating distance. Do you know where you sweet spot for where you will sit will be? Once you have that you can use this calculator (or this forum) to help you or we can help smile.gif

For reference, I am sitting around 12' from a 125" screen and it is perfect.

What about audio, what are you thinking there? Keep in mind that the center of the room is a bass null, so you want to try and sit either closer, or further away from the center of the room so you are not sitting in that null area. If this cannot be avoided, you want to have the subwoofer placed as close to the seating position as possible.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
This room, is used for nothing so i am totaly free for seating positions. For audio, i am planning 7.2 but as i said i dont know anythig about those either. So my call is the biggest number is better smile.gif

BTW i have no electornic equipment for that room also so i will start from scratch. Budget is ~10K for all the electronic stuff (projector+receiver+speakers+wiring+bluray player+extra 3d glasses,HTPC,etc)

that is what i thought but the guy was very confident on what he is saying so it makes me to ask here also.
post #4 of 14
Get your seating figured out, pick a projector that will work for the room and a range of potential screen sizes. Then get the projector installed, use either a sheet or photographer backdrop paper to make a temporary screen (or just the wall if it hasn't been painted yet). Try different sizes and see what *you* like best from *your* seating distance. Once you decide, then buy the screen...

Jeff
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by burton123 View Post

This room, is used for nothing so i am totaly free for seating positions. For audio, i am planning 7.2 but as i said i dont know anythig about those either. So my call is the biggest number is better smile.gif
BTW i have no electornic equipment for that room also so i will start from scratch. Budget is ~10K for all the electronic stuff (projector+receiver+speakers+wiring+bluray player+extra 3d glasses,HTPC,etc)
that is what i thought but the guy was very confident on what he is saying so it makes me to ask here also.

Sitting about 12' back, I would go around 120-125" screen. This puts you out of sitting in the center of the room as a null spot.

Projector and screen will set you back about $4500-4700 or so (depending on the screen). One thing to consider is getting the Epson 5010 (little brother to the 6010). The 6010 gives an installer some more ISF calibration options, spare bulb, one more year on the warranty. Picture quality wise, the 5010 will look nearly identical, so you have to way your options, but the 5010 is about $1400 cheaper:
http://www.visualapex.com/Epson/Projector-Specifications.asp?For-The=Home-Cinema-5010

That is a big cost savings smile.gif For a screen, I really like this company for price and quality:
http://www.carada.com/


You have a nice budget and lots of options, so that is good. For speakers I would recommend visiting some local dealers and listening to:
Paradigm
Kef
Klipsch
Goldenear
Triad

Depending on which projector you decide on, this will affect your budget here, but plan on spending around $3K (obviously you can spend more or less here, but $3K should give you a nice 7.1 setup) for speakers and a subwoofer. Once you know your budget more here, I would post and research in the dedicated speaker and subwoofer forum, but an SVS, or Hsu sub would be a good product for your space.

Don't make the mistake of spending too much on a receiver. In your budget I think $500-700 buys you a great 7.1 or 7.1 receiver. I really like Denon as they leverage the built in Audyssey room equlization software that really helps RQ your room. Something like this would be ideal and is a steal right now (the new 2013 model came out so these are being sold at deep discount):
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR2112CI-Integrated-Surround-Receiver/dp/B004Z0S7OM/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1346442251&sr=1-11&keywords=denon

The big kicker is going to be labor. If you just need someone to pull cables for you, you are looking at $500-800 or so I would think (maybe cheaper). If you want someone to mount everything, configure everything, calibrate everything, etc you could spend a huge chunk of your budget here.

If it was my money, I wold get the 5010 projector, buy a calibration disc and read up here at AVS and save that $1400. I would just pay for someone to pull cables (try to get at least three quotes) and hook everything up myself. None of this is hard really, and Audyssey room correction software is easy to use. Myself and others would be happy to talk you through mounting the projector and screen to save money.

For remote, I really like my Harmony 1100. One more option to think about. Depending on your aesthetics choices you could go with an accoustically transparent screen, and in-wall speakers hidden behind the screen. The big benefit here is being able to buy three identical left, right, and center channel vertical speakers (horizontal center channel speakers are a compromised design) and this allows you to place the speakers at perfect height (tweeter at ear level when seated) for sound. For the three main speakers and screen you are looking at around $2500 or so, then another $1800 for surrounds and a solid subwoofer.

Just something to consider. I went with an AT screen and in-wall speakers and am loving it.

Here are my speakers:
http://www.definitivetech.com/Products/products.aspx?path=In-wall/In-Ceiling_Speakers&productid=UIW_RLS_II

You can find them for around $380-400 each on deals.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Sitting about 12' back, I would go around 120-125" screen. This puts you out of sitting in the center of the room as a null spot.
Projector and screen will set you back about $4500-4700 or so (depending on the screen). One thing to consider is getting the Epson 5010 (little brother to the 6010). The 6010 gives an installer some more ISF calibration options, spare bulb, one more year on the warranty. Picture quality wise, the 5010 will look nearly identical, so you have to way your options, but the 5010 is about $1400 cheaper:
http://www.visualapex.com/Epson/Projector-Specifications.asp?For-The=Home-Cinema-5010
That is a big cost savings smile.gif For a screen, I really like this company for price and quality:
http://www.carada.com/
You have a nice budget and lots of options, so that is good. For speakers I would recommend visiting some local dealers and listening to:
Paradigm
Kef
Klipsch
Goldenear
Triad
Depending on which projector you decide on, this will affect your budget here, but plan on spending around $3K (obviously you can spend more or less here, but $3K should give you a nice 7.1 setup) for speakers and a subwoofer. Once you know your budget more here, I would post and research in the dedicated speaker and subwoofer forum, but an SVS, or Hsu sub would be a good product for your space.
Don't make the mistake of spending too much on a receiver. In your budget I think $500-700 buys you a great 7.1 or 7.1 receiver. I really like Denon as they leverage the built in Audyssey room equlization software that really helps RQ your room. Something like this would be ideal and is a steal right now (the new 2013 model came out so these are being sold at deep discount):
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR2112CI-Integrated-Surround-Receiver/dp/B004Z0S7OM/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1346442251&sr=1-11&keywords=denon
The big kicker is going to be labor. If you just need someone to pull cables for you, you are looking at $500-800 or so I would think (maybe cheaper). If you want someone to mount everything, configure everything, calibrate everything, etc you could spend a huge chunk of your budget here.
If it was my money, I wold get the 5010 projector, buy a calibration disc and read up here at AVS and save that $1400. I would just pay for someone to pull cables (try to get at least three quotes) and hook everything up myself. None of this is hard really, and Audyssey room correction software is easy to use. Myself and others would be happy to talk you through mounting the projector and screen to save money.
For remote, I really like my Harmony 1100. One more option to think about. Depending on your aesthetics choices you could go with an accoustically transparent screen, and in-wall speakers hidden behind the screen. The big benefit here is being able to buy three identical left, right, and center channel vertical speakers (horizontal center channel speakers are a compromised design) and this allows you to place the speakers at perfect height (tweeter at ear level when seated) for sound. For the three main speakers and screen you are looking at around $2500 or so, then another $1800 for surrounds and a solid subwoofer.
Just something to consider. I went with an AT screen and in-wall speakers and am loving it.
Here are my speakers:
http://www.definitivetech.com/Products/products.aspx?path=In-wall/In-Ceiling_Speakers&productid=UIW_RLS_II
You can find them for around $380-400 each on deals.


sorry for late response, i was out of town for long weekend. I alsoi thought about 5010 is much better choice than 6010 until i got a $3100 offer from a local dealer here. i will make more investigation for the speakers and provide an update with hopefully some photos/.
post #7 of 14
I'd start by defining your seating needs, instead of screen size, and work out from there.

Seventeen feet of room length is tight for two rows of seating, and a seven foot height creates sight line issues and center channel issues for the second row.
If your seating needs can be met by four seats, then perhaps an acoustically transparent screen is an option? This would give you improved speaker layout, no riser/headroom issues, and
hide much of the av gear.
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot for the advice and also for the PM. Everything is an option at this point. smile.gif
What I understand is this is a very complex problem that needs to be solved with the help of experts like you guys smile.gif
I read too many stuff today and learned one more thing the general opinion to tile flooring is NO for home theater setup.
Here is my other problem;

From the opening on the bottom part of the picture, is where I have access to my backyard and my swimming pool and the top left restroom is where we (me and my guests) use for showering before and after swimming. So carpet and hardwood was not an option for flooring that area. Now I need to think more about that.
post #9 of 14
tiled perimeter.jpg 35k .jpg file

Maybe a dark tiled perimeter, with carpetted center? Treated walls and directional speakers to help tame the tile surface???
(Just guessing here...)

A single row of seating eliminates riser/walkway issues and maximises headroom. Maybe less is more, here?

Is there space under the stairs, for an in-wall audio video rack?
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
There is enough space for a good size of rack, around 3ft x 3ft and height is around 7ft, actually that was the area that i planned for the equipments. Since it is below grade, i need to raise the rack a littlebit for a possible flooding. It never happened but my pool pump is in right next room and if the plumbing of the pump fails, it will be a disaster biggrin.gif (20K gallons of water in 8 hours) Carpet is a good idea, SIngle row seating is also my plan but i tought maybe a sectional could be OK also for watching TV casually.

I made an action plan like this.

1.Remove existing drywalls
2. Install wiring for Audio/Projector System. This include the power outlet for projector , media rack,lights etc.
3.Treat the walls (Experts needed smile.gif ) Sound isolation would be great for upper floors
4. Install sound system for test
5. Install media capinet for test
6. Install Projector Mount (a dryrun with projector to see everything is good shape and remove the projector again until all the dusty work is gone)
7. Verify everything is working properly and remove everything again until dusty work is done
8. Remove the existing floor, install underfloor heating system and remove existing baseboard radiator
9.Install drywalls
10. Paint the walls and treat the walls aquistically
11. Install tiles
12.Buy furniture
13. Install all electronic equipment in final place

Will start the work this week. I forgot to take some photos but i will share them with you.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Tedd View Post

tiled perimeter.jpg 35k .jpg file
Maybe a dark tiled perimeter, with carpetted center? Treated walls and directional speakers to help tame the tile surface???
(Just guessing here...)
A single row of seating eliminates riser/walkway issues and maximises headroom. Maybe less is more, here?
Is there space under the stairs, for an in-wall audio video rack?

I agree with Ted. You can still have tiled floor, but just use area rugs where you can, especially around the area where your home theater will be.

Drapes, couches, pillows, will also help with the sound. Once the room is built you can start applying treatments and run EQ like Audyssey on your receiver and see how things sound and how things change if you introduce area rugs, drapes, etc.

My room was an echo chamber, but once the carpet, courches, drapes, pillows, etc went in, it made a huge improvement coupled with room EQ from Audyssey MultiEQ.
post #12 of 14
Your room is similar to my HT. Concrete floors made it into an echo chamber. The best thing I ever added was my 8 ft comfy sac.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1390166/dedicated-ht-game-room-basement-build



It is one huge acoustic trap and the most comfortable place to watch the movie. I have 8ft ceilings so risers for the back row were out. This is how I solved that problem and almost all of the echo in the room as well.
I left the floor joist exposed so the ceiling feels higher than it really is. Good luck on the project!
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
just to give a status update, i still didnt give up smile.gif
i am still working on my project. Here is the update:

I bought
1-) Denon AVR2112CI receiver from the link above
2-) 2 x JBL Northridge E80 + EC35 center + 2 x E10 from craigslist for $300 which i thought a good deal. If i need to upgrade, i can still use them in another room so i just wanted to have something that i can use for now.
3-) Since i realized that Epson 5020 and 6020 are on the way, i decided to wait them instead of 5010/6020 and buy something temproraryly and I bought Mitsubishi HC3800 with brand new OEM lamp and a mount for $400 from a local seller on craigslist and i am using it for now.
4-)Bought 200ft 14 guage CL2 monster speaker
5-)Bought 25ft HDMI1.4 CL2

i have a problem in construction though, my wife biggrin.gif She doesnt want me to remove the walls and do the wiring etc so i am thinking some alternative ways of wiring. I see crown moldings that has wire channel in it. I am planning to drive the cable to the location i want inside the moulding and then planning to fish it down. However i have no idea whether the reflection on moulding will cause any problem or not.

and i know, i still didnt provide any pictures. my fault, i will.

One thing that i couldnt solve is seating. I have no idea how to setup the seating. Whatever i try to do didnt work, maybe you guys can help me on that when i provide the pictures smile.gif

Another missing thing is the subwoofer, i didnt decide what to buy yet.
Since i have a projector now, i am planning to use a temporary painted screen (digital1crystal) for $150 a gallon. i am not sure whether it will be perfect or not but i am sure that it will be better than my drywall.
Edited by burton123 - 10/12/12 at 12:01pm
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by burton123 View Post

i have a problem in construction though, my wife biggrin.gif She doesnt want me to remove the walls and do the wiring etc so i am thinking some alternative ways of wiring. I see crown moldings that has wire channel in it. I am planning to drive the cable to the location i want inside the moulding and then planning to fish it down. However i have no idea whether the reflection on moulding will cause any problem or not.
and i know, i still didnt provide any pictures. my fault, i will.

If your room is built with drywall, it should be a pretty easy thing to open up the walls as needed to pull the wiring to the exact spot you want them, versus snaking up and down walls to run them behind crown molding. Plus the cost of buying & installing the molding. Most likely she is just concerned that pulling cables through drywall is a huge project that would leave the room looking bad. It's not, and it won't.

Pictures would really help if you really want more specific input from folks. Give us something to work with - post some photos of your room!!
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