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post #241 of 740
10/27/12 at 1:19pm
Well, just came back from demoing the Epson 5020 at my local best buy. Sorry but I was not able to check any of the things requested frown.gif The 3D glasses where not available, so I was limited to 2D viewing. This was the main purpose of my demo though, since 2D is priority for me.

All i can say is that I tried the Cinema mode, in eco, with auto IRIS set to fast. Screen was ~100" 'diamond' (?) which seemed a gray reflective, gain was 1.4. Room was about 90% dark, with only minor ambient light coming in through the closed door.

Tested a few bluray movies including Fifth Element.

My observations:
-Black levels are outstanding. I tried hand puppets over several 'black' portions of the screen (including the 'black bars' top/bottom of 2.23:1 content, and I could not see the hand puppets. I was really trying. Really impressive.
-Color and saturation seemed very nice for an uncalibrated projector, out of the box.

What I did not like:
-Frame Interpolation (FI) even at the lowest level was too much for me. Soap opera effect. medium and High FI got slightly worse. I was hoping for a low FI level that wasn't so aggressive, to be used with 24hz movie content. I did like the FI applied to a music concert though.
-Sharpness seemed subpar. Im comparing to my Z2000 projected onto a painted wall. Maybe the screen they had at this Magnolia room was at fault. The focus seemed right, because I could see the pixel structure up close. Sharpness setting was set at zero (centered on the scale), and the RC (or whatever Epson calls it) was set to OFF. I tried this enhancement and noticed sharpness improvements, quite subtle really, nothing too aggressive.

Hope this helps.
Edited by gnolivos - 10/27/12 at 2:08pm
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post #242 of 740
10/27/12 at 1:22pm
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Well, just came back from demoing the Epson 5020 at my local best buy. Sotty but I was not able to check any of the things requested frown.gif The 3D glasses where not available, so I was limited to 2D viewing. This was the main purpose of my demo though, since 2D is priority for me.
All i can say is that I tried the Cinema mode, in eco, with auto IRIS set to fast. Screen was ~100" 'diamond' (?) which seemed a gray reflective, gain was 1.4. Room was about 90% dark, with only minor ambient light coming in through the closed door.
Tested a few bluray movies including Fifth Element.
My observations:
-Black levels are outstanding. I tried hand puppets over several 'black' portions of the screen (including the 'black bars' top/bottom of 2.23:1 content, and I could not see the hand puppets. I was really trying. Really impressive.
-Color and saturation seemed very nice for an uncalibrated projector, out of the box.
What I did not like:
-Frame Interpolation (FI) even at the lowest level was too much for me. Soap opera effect. medium and High FI got slightly worse. I was hoping for a low FI level that wasn't so aggressive, to be used with 24hz movie content. I did like the FI applied to a music concert though.
-Sharpness seemed subpar. Im comparing to my Z2000 projected onto a painted wall. Maybe the screen they had at this Magnolia room was at fault. The focus seemed right, because I could see the pixel structure up close. Sharpness setting was set at zero (centered on the scale), and the RC (or whatever Epson calls it) was set to OFF. I tried this enhancement and noticed sharpness improvements, quite subtle really, nothing too aggressive.
Hope this helps.

Which Best Buy did you go to?
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post #243 of 740
10/27/12 at 1:26pm
Call the tricounty mall best buy in Cincinnati.
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post #244 of 740
10/27/12 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

Well, just came back from demoing the Epson 5020 at my local best buy. Sotty but I was not able to check any of the things requested frown.gif The 3D glasses where not available, so I was limited to 2D viewing. This was the main purpose of my demo though, since 2D is priority for me.
All i can say is that I tried the Cinema mode, in eco, with auto IRIS set to fast. Screen was ~100" 'diamond' (?) which seemed a gray reflective, gain was 1.4. Room was about 90% dark, with only minor ambient light coming in through the closed door.
Tested a few bluray movies including Fifth Element.
My observations:
-Black levels are outstanding. I tried hand puppets over several 'black' portions of the screen (including the 'black bars' top/bottom of 2.23:1 content, and I could not see the hand puppets. I was really trying. Really impressive.
-Color and saturation seemed very nice for an uncalibrated projector, out of the box.
What I did not like:
-Frame Interpolation (FI) even at the lowest level was too much for me. Soap opera effect. medium and High FI got slightly worse. I was hoping for a low FI level that wasn't so aggressive, to be used with 24hz movie content. I did like the FI applied to a music concert though.
-Sharpness seemed subpar. Im comparing to my Z2000 projected onto a painted wall. Maybe the screen they had at this Magnolia room was at fault. The focus seemed right, because I could see the pixel structure up close. Sharpness setting was set at zero (centered on the scale), and the RC (or whatever Epson calls it) was set to OFF. I tried this enhancement and noticed sharpness improvements, quite subtle really, nothing too aggressive.
Hope this helps.

Using a Black Diamond screen in a light controlled room, you would be hard pressed to see hand puppets with many projectors.
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post #245 of 740
10/27/12 at 2:07pm
My ONLY experience has been with flat white screens. So I was wondering about the diamond and it's effect on blacks. I don't like the texture that diamond produces though.
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post #246 of 740
10/27/12 at 8:08pm
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That's disappointing! The Epson has an active DI in 3D this year and the Sony doesn't. The Sony as an active FI in 3D and the Epson doesn't. What gives?

I know!

Personally the lack of FI is more of a disappointment to me since motion issues are seen more in 3D than in 2D. Plus black levels are already helped by the tinting of the glasses but it would be nice if both worked.
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post #247 of 740
10/27/12 at 8:12pm
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Call the tricounty mall best buy in Cincinnati.

If you are interested in seeing the HW50 they have it on dispaly at Alamo Electronics. Similar setup to BB on a 100" screen. I think more ambient light came through onto the screen at Alamo Electroincs more than did at BB. Also, the 3D glasses are (or were) in the entertainment stand in front of the screen FYI. I felt the same about sharpness as well but in my case I think the HP screen that I am using seems to make a noticeable difference in sharpness. At least that was my impression when I switched to an HP screen several years ago from an Elite Screens 1.1 gain screen.
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post #248 of 740
10/27/12 at 8:58pm
Thanks for the tip! Will head to Alamo next week. smile.gif
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post #249 of 740
10/28/12 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by yhtomitb View Post

I checked out 6010 today and the Anamorphic mode is in the Aspect menu screen. So, if you are running a 3D movie and you go into that menu screen, I need to know if Anamorphic is grayed out or not. If the remote control is the same as the 6010, then you should have an "Aspect" button that will quickly pop up the menu. The "Anamorphic" selection should be right above the "Horizontal Squeeze" if the menu structure is the same.
Thanks in advance for checking this out.
Tim B
Omaha, NE
With a 3D disk in, I get a message that aspect menu options are not allowed. With a 2D disc I have access to aspect information but never did find anything anywhere that mentions anamorphic or horizontal squeeze.
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post #250 of 740
10/29/12 at 10:37am
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With a 3D disk in, I get a message that aspect menu options are not allowed. With a 2D disc I have access to aspect information but never did find anything anywhere that mentions anamorphic or horizontal squeeze.

I was afraid of that. I wish they'd get this resolved, so that I could promote them along-side JVC when people are interested in Anamorphic.

I'll have to play with it further, when we finally get our 6020's in stock. They must have changed the menu structure again.

Thanks for checking that out.
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post #251 of 740
10/29/12 at 4:43pm
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Well, just came back from demoing the Epson 5020 at my local best buy. Sorry but I was not able to check any of the things requested frown.gif The 3D glasses where not available, so I was limited to 2D viewing. This was the main purpose of my demo though, since 2D is priority for me.
All i can say is that I tried the Cinema mode, in eco, with auto IRIS set to fast. Screen was ~100" 'diamond' (?) which seemed a gray reflective, gain was 1.4. Room was about 90% dark, with only minor ambient light coming in through the closed door.
Tested a few bluray movies including Fifth Element.
My observations:
-Black levels are outstanding. I tried hand puppets over several 'black' portions of the screen (including the 'black bars' top/bottom of 2.23:1 content, and I could not see the hand puppets. I was really trying. Really impressive.
-Color and saturation seemed very nice for an uncalibrated projector, out of the box.
What I did not like:
-Frame Interpolation (FI) even at the lowest level was too much for me. Soap opera effect. medium and High FI got slightly worse. I was hoping for a low FI level that wasn't so aggressive, to be used with 24hz movie content. I did like the FI applied to a music concert though.
-Sharpness seemed subpar. Im comparing to my Z2000 projected onto a painted wall. Maybe the screen they had at this Magnolia room was at fault. The focus seemed right, because I could see the pixel structure up close. Sharpness setting was set at zero (centered on the scale), and the RC (or whatever Epson calls it) was set to OFF. I tried this enhancement and noticed sharpness improvements, quite subtle really, nothing too aggressive.
Hope this helps.


Just asking - are you sure this wasnt the 5010 ? Im looking at the magnolia web site and also went to two of the BB in Detroit area and they just set up the 5010's in both . I hope Im wrong as Id love to be able to see it in action as I already own the 8350 and would have to decide whether its worth upgrading to .
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post #252 of 740
10/29/12 at 5:10pm
They told me 5020, but I did not verify. I assumed it was since they set it up 5 days ago. But now you have me thinking.
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post #253 of 740
10/29/12 at 5:40pm
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Just asking - are you sure this wasnt the 5010 ? Im looking at the magnolia web site and also went to two of the BB in Detroit area and they just set up the 5010's in both . I hope Im wrong as Id love to be able to see it in action as I already own the 8350 and would have to decide whether its worth upgrading to .

It is the 5020UB, thanks to gnolivos I called the BB he went to and they gave me the SKU and I got mine ordered.
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post #254 of 740
10/30/12 at 4:27am
Any chance you could share that SKU wink.gif. The Best Buys in my area are not exactly up to speed as they too just set up the 5010.
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post #255 of 740
10/30/12 at 7:14am
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Any chance you could share that SKU wink.gif. The Best Buys in my area are not exactly up to speed as they too just set up the 5010.

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post #256 of 740
10/30/12 at 9:55am
I just heard back from Jeff Paiva of Epson America, and he verified that the HC 5010 and HC 5020 do not support Anamorphic, and therefore no Anamorphic in 3D as well.

The step-up models ProCinema 6010 and 6020 both support Anamorphic and 3D, but only 1080P/24Hz, which is fine for Blu-ray, but some video games will not work.
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post #257 of 740
10/30/12 at 11:35am
Just painful waiting for input lag report. Was going to buy the 5010 a year ago, waited the whole year for improvements, now very little hype about the new model compared to the old. No quality reviews. No input lag. Doh. I will wait one more week, then throw in the towel and buy the Panasonic 8000 if still no info. Currently have a Panasonic 1000u with bulb 10% overdue to break, cant wait forever.
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post #258 of 740
10/30/12 at 12:23pm
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Just painful waiting for input lag report....

Keep watching the mini-shootout thread, and the numbers for the 5020 should be posted in another day or two.
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post #259 of 740
10/30/12 at 1:13pm
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Just painful waiting for input lag report. Was going to buy the 5010 a year ago, waited the whole year for improvements, now very little hype about the new model compared to the old. No quality reviews. No input lag. Doh. I will wait one more week, then throw in the towel and buy the Panasonic 8000 if still no info. Currently have a Panasonic 1000u with bulb 10% overdue to break, cant wait forever.

I'm in the same boat, except this is my first HT Projector. Seriously contemplating the 8000 as well. My guess is Epson won't match the lag on the 8000 in game mode, but I'd love to be surprised.
Edited by blizaine - 10/30/12 at 1:32pm
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post #260 of 740
10/30/12 at 3:05pm
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It is the 5020UB, thanks to gnolivos I called the BB he went to and they gave me the SKU and I got mine ordered.

Thanks ! Hopefully I can either get the 5020 or possibly get them to discount the 5010 , wont be till around Christmas so I have some time to decide what to do .
Trouble is I would have to sell the 8350 first & Ive only had it two yrs , so we shall see.
Once again thanks for the info !
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post #261 of 740
10/30/12 at 6:07pm
guys...I'm picking up the 5020 in about an hour..if someone can help me..ill be glad to do a lag test right away when I get it home tonight! what will I need..I have a monitor that claims a 2ms lag delay..but no crt..but the reaction on my gaming monitor is direct zero delay in feel...when I used to use my 3010 and this monitor cloned..this was immediate..3010 was way behind dragging the mouse!...I'll be glad to do this. What is needed?
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post #262 of 740
10/30/12 at 7:32pm
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Keep watching the mini-shootout thread, and the numbers for the 5020 should be posted in another day or two.

And Art over at ProjectReviews.com has almost completed his review of the 5020UB... per their update approx 2 hours ago :-)

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Art is working hard on the Epson Home Cinema 5020UB review. Stay tuned....
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post #263 of 740
10/30/12 at 8:23pm
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guys...I'm picking up the 5020 in about an hour..if someone can help me..ill be glad to do a lag test right away when I get it home tonight! what will I need..I have a monitor that claims a 2ms lag delay..but no crt..but the reaction on my gaming monitor is direct zero delay in feel...when I used to use my 3010 and this monitor cloned..this was immediate..3010 was way behind dragging the mouse!...I'll be glad to do this. What is needed?
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post #264 of 740
10/30/12 at 8:53pm
just tested the 5020 using my laptop ang lag test consistantly was 60ms..... this was with fast processing on and native 1080p

I have also owned the 3010 and 5010 and will do a comparison review soon!!
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post #265 of 740
10/31/12 at 4:27am
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just tested the 5020 using my laptop ang lag test consistantly was 60ms..... this was with fast processing on and native 1080p

I have also owned the 3010 and 5010 and will do a comparison review soon!!

Thanks. This means lag is AT LEAST 60ms. This is bad news, still too significant for gaming. I suspect your laptop has its own lag so you'd need to add that on top.

Epson is scratched from my list, panny or Sony take my money this time.
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post #266 of 740
10/31/12 at 7:24am
Well my initial reaction from about 2 hours use last night! this is a 5010 improved in almost every way! I threw the hard scenes that I knew ghosted before and its not there. the black level looks to be the same as the 5010, see no real improvement there, but hey they were already great! the 5020 lag is 60ms..thats what I got consistantly..with 1080p all extra features off and with fast processing on. In 3d I had to use thx mode which looked very very good, in dynamic mode even in 3d this thing was way too bright hurting my eyes. The new glasses are very comfortable and hardly weigh anything at all. In 3d mode di is the only option pretty much available, theres no fi or anything else available in 3d. The motion in 3d is also pretty smooth..any other questions I'll be happy to answer. I am having one issue with the pj, both the left and right sides of the screen are bright dark pink on a full white screen, bad color uniformity..its unaceptable on this specific machine. oh yes and sharpness is pretty good in 2d and 3d,, was able to get text and my desktop screen very sharp! Oops almost forgot, my biggest gripe on the 5010 was shadow detail. I thought it was awful..also very much improved!
Edited by dagameballa - 10/31/12 at 7:48am
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post #267 of 740
10/31/12 at 8:32am
dagameballa,
Did you see any flickering when using 3D glasses.
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post #268 of 740
10/31/12 at 9:12am
none whatsoever..the 3d was extremely clean and much smoother than the 5010! And I cant tell you how bright 3d is..first time I said wow..3d is to bright..had to turn it down.. the new glasses are probably the most lightweight comfortable, forget you have em on glasses after a minute or two..I did not care for the first gen glasses..they were big heavy and bulky..the new ones have flexible arms...but the 3d was rock solid!
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post #269 of 740
10/31/12 at 9:22am

dagameballa, maybe I missed it but can you tell me your screen size and gain?

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post #270 of 740
10/31/12 at 9:26am
its a 123" vutec britewhite 1.3 gain..and I sit about 10 feet back..I see this pj lighting up a 140" easily in 3d dynamic..3d dynamic was so bright. the 3 options for 3d color wise are, cinema, thx and dynamic..dynamic was holy s&*% bright..I didnt try cinema..once I saw how amazing and perfectly bright thx mode was. I stopped there.
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