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post #301 of 782
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

Zombie tested 80ms. I think that's probably what you're experiencing. AWFUL from Epson for gamers!!

Besides gaming, is this stat of any relevance to good 'ol plain movie watching - including 3D?
Edited by bambam - 11/2/12 at 2:29pm
post #302 of 782
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Originally Posted by bambam View Post

Besides gaming, is this stat of any relevance to good 'ol plain movie watching - including 3D?

It's neither good nor bad or movie watching. It is good to know though; As a starting point, I set the audio delay in my AV receiver to the same value as the PJ lag.
post #303 of 782
According to Zombie, Super resolution is NOT available in 3D mode on the 5020, which contradicts Art's claims at Projector Reviews. There doesn't seem to be enough of a difference between the 5010 and the 5020 to justify an upgrade.
post #304 of 782
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

According to Zombie, Super resolution is NOT available in 3D mode on the 5020, which contradicts Art's claims at Projector Reviews. There doesn't seem to be enough of a difference between the 5010 and the 5020 to justify an upgrade.

Mine is not working either in 3D but I only briefly glanced to confirm zombie's finding.
post #305 of 782
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Originally Posted by jmalto View Post

Mine is not working either in 3D but I only briefly glanced to confirm zombie's finding.

I hope they can fix this in a firmware update soon, I've tried a number of settings and cannot get this this feature to activate when the projector is in 3D mode. I think the HW50 with the RC has a bit of an advantage here and would like to see the SR enabled in 3D.
post #306 of 782
Where can you buy the Epson 5020UB? I don't see any for sale in the Epson store?
Thanks!
post #307 of 782
I wonder if SR is actually enabled/enforced in 3d mode? I noticed on some pjs certain features are enabled and locked/enforced in 3d mode. And the option is greyed out.
post #308 of 782
Guys does the Epson 5020 come with External 3D Emitter or do you have to buy this.
post #309 of 782
The Epson uses RF signals for the glasses. There is no external emitter necessary.
post #310 of 782
tjenkins95,
Thanks for the reply.
post #311 of 782
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

I wonder if SR is actually enabled/enforced in 3d mode? I noticed on some pjs certain features are enabled and locked/enforced in 3d mode. And the option is greyed out.

it's possible, but I don't think that's the case here. The 3D isn't quite as sharp as the 2D is with the SR enabled. That's why I added the Darbee @ 40% in 3D mode to see how it looked next to the HW50 with the RC on.
post #312 of 782
Visual Apex looks to have them in stock
post #313 of 782
Hello,

I'm thinking of buying 5010 or 5020 so my question with regard to my situation (in img) which one will be better?
Will RF work if between PJ and glasses is concrete floor? Will 3d work if screen is ~2m higher than eyes? Thank you!
I have contacted Epson but didn't get helpful response.

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post #314 of 782
I would think you would have a better chance with the RF vs. the IR in that unique setup.

I have the 5020 with the RF glasses, later tonight i'll see how far I can go with them before they lose sync.
post #315 of 782
I know there is external 3D IR emitter for 5010 but from the picture only I can't figure how it connects to PJ. Is it by cable (i would need 6m) or wireless in the line of sight of PJ and me?
I have 720p Infocus X9 in 2d and everything is OK but upgrade is complicated:)
post #316 of 782
It connects via a cable.
post #317 of 782
Just got some 5020 in and have two for demo that have gone out to about 12 people total so far, everyone had positive feedback. We also put one up and compared to the 6010 and 5010 there is not a big difference. I will try to do a side by side at some point and post pics. They claimed it is brighter but I can't see big differences over all the new features like THX are nice but nothing that is really wowing me. I still think these are the best bang for buck projectors out htere.

Figured I would pass along the info looks like another winner, I did see this that I likes though.

“If Epson figures they are getting this 5020 back anytime soon, they are delusional. The only way they will pry this away from me, is by leaving the similar but slightly more expensive Pro Cinema 6020 with me instead.”
“The combination of excellent overall performance in terms of brightness, color, blacks, shadow detail, and 3D, with a price lower than most of the most direct competitors, makes this a top value. That it sells for a good deal less than the Sony and Panasonic… should seal the deal for many folks”


http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5020/index.php



Jason
Edited by programmergeek - 11/6/12 at 9:45am
post #318 of 782
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

Just got some 5020 in and have two for demo that have gone out to about 12 people total so far, everyone had positive feedback. We also put one up and compared to the 6010 and 5010 there is not a big difference. I will try to do a side by side at some point and post pics. They claimed it is brighter but I can't see big differences over all the new features like THX are nice but nothing that is really wowing me. I still think these are the best bang for buck projectors out htere.
Figured I would pass along the info looks like another winner, I did see this that I likes though.
“If Epson figures they are getting this 5020 back anytime soon, they are delusional. The only way they will pry this away from me, is by leaving the similar but slightly more expensive Pro Cinema 6020 with me instead.”
“The combination of excellent overall performance in terms of brightness, color, blacks, shadow detail, and 3D, with a price lower than most of the most direct competitors, makes this a top value. That it sells for a good deal less than the Sony and Panasonic… should seal the deal for many folks”
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5020/index.php
Jason

I can imagine that the 2d 200,000:1 contrast ratio for the 5010 cant be to far behind the 5020 320,000:1 contrast ratio; however, one thing you forgot to mention is the 3d mode. In the 5010 3d mode is stuck in native resolution (i'm not sure exactly what that is, i'm guessing 4000:1 or 40,000:1) the epson 5020 gets the iris allowing it to have the full 320,000:1 contrast ratio.
post #319 of 782
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Originally Posted by mat82284 View Post

I can imagine that the 2d 200,000:1 contrast ratio for the 5010 cant be to far behind the 5020 320,000:1 contrast ratio; however, one thing you forgot to mention is the 3d mode. In the 5010 3d mode is stuck in native resolution (i'm not sure exactly what that is, i'm guessing 4000:1 or 40,000:1) the epson 5020 gets the irisallowing it to have the full 320,000:1 contrast ratio .

This doesn't have as much impact as it sounds like. There isn't really a noticeable difference in contrast between the 5010 and the 5020 in 3D mode with the iris engaged, I'd like to see it more aggressive than it's current programming.

Also, any members receiving their 5020's, can you please check to see if the 'Super Resolution' option is available in 3D mode? On the production model we have here, it does not allow the SR to be turned on in 3D mode. thanks.
post #320 of 782
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

This doesn't have as much impact as it sounds like. There isn't really a noticeable difference in contrast between the 5010 and the 5020 in 3D mode with the iris engaged, I'd like to see it more aggressive than it's current programming.
Also, any members receiving their 5020's, can you please check to see if the 'Super Resolution' option is available in 3D mode? On the production model we have here, it does not allow the SR to be turned on in 3D mode. thanks.

Zombie, I seem to recall you were going to post the firmware version of your specific 5020. Did I miss it or was it indeed posted? It would be great to compare all 5020 owner's firmware versions.
Thanks.
post #321 of 782
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Originally Posted by Squuiid View Post

Zombie, I seem to recall you were going to post the firmware version of your specific 5020. Did I miss it or was it indeed posted? It would be great to compare all 5020 owner's firmware versions.
Thanks.

I haven't yet, but will tonight. I am firing it up for a Calibration this evening and will see what firmware version it has.
post #322 of 782
I think Zombie cloned himself and there is two of him, I don't know he fits it all in. I can barely hold down my regular job and even post here anymore :P
post #323 of 782
Why not look at the 5020 at this point it has RF glasses might solve your issue also the glasses are ligher and charge via USB. The IR glasses it is hit or miss I have had it work sometimes in sitiustions like yours because it bounces off the screen and walls and others I had to wire an external IR emmiter. No one will be able to give you a black and white answer.
post #324 of 782
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

Why not look at the 5020 at this point it has RF glasses might solve your issue also the glasses are ligher and charge via USB. The IR glasses it is hit or miss I have had it work sometimes in sitiustions like yours because it bounces off the screen and walls and others I had to wire an external IR emmiter. No one will be able to give you a black and white answer.

You can even use the Samsung SSG-4100GB 3d glasses too with this projector. Price wise you probably won't find any RF active shutter 3d glasses that are cheaper that function with this projector. And they are supposed to be pretty nice as long as you are using them in a dark environment. Because it doesn't have sides to the glasses to block out light, any ambient light could be an issue.

Check these out at http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-4100GB-Active-Glasses-Models/dp/B007K9P7H0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1352249043&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+SSG-4100GB
post #325 of 782
My mindset going in the direction of the 5020 but there is fear that it will not work. 5010 has fail safe, this one don't. This is the pic form manual and it looks like it's bluetooth wireless. Can it go through or around the walls? Tried it with mobile phones enabled bluetooth connection and it worked perfectly.
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Edited by takua - 11/8/12 at 3:40am
post #326 of 782
Received the 5020UBe yesterday. Got it all setup and hooked up to my sources, however this unit seems to have a focus problem?

On all sources I'm seeing the following problem with focus. I focus it perfectly with the focus ring and see clear sharp text, and then it does this: 10 seconds of perfect focus-->loses focus for 1 second--> 10 seconds of perfect focus--> loses focus for 1 second, etc, etc.

Best way to describe it is a pulsing focus issue.
Any ideas folks?
post #327 of 782
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Originally Posted by dmoneyman2323 View Post

You can even use the Samsung SSG-4100GB 3d glasses too with this projector. Price wise you probably won't find any RF active shutter 3d glasses that are cheaper that function with this projector. And they are supposed to be pretty nice as long as you are using them in a dark environment. Because it doesn't have sides to the glasses to block out light, any ambient light could be an issue.
Check these out at http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-4100GB-Active-Glasses-Models/dp/B007K9P7H0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1352249043&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+SSG-4100GB

I Love these glasses! The only bad thing is the battery replacement, but if your like me and live in a 2 person household and have guests its perfect. I give my guests these just incase they break them, or put finger prints on them. This is also a good idea for kids.
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Originally Posted by Squuiid View Post

Received the 5020UBe yesterday. Got it all setup and hooked up to my sources, however this unit seems to have a focus problem?
On all sources I'm seeing the following problem with focus. I focus it perfectly with the focus ring and see clear sharp text, and then it does this: 10 seconds of perfect focus-->loses focus for 1 second--> 10 seconds of perfect focus--> loses focus for 1 second, etc, etc.
Best way to describe it is a pulsing focus issue.
Any ideas folks?

I've yet to see anything like that with my projector. What i would do it keep the menu up, or the grid and see if the focus still changes. If it doesnt its a source issue. You can also try the other hdmi port just to double check.

Just to let everyone know my unit will not do Interpolation in 3d.
post #328 of 782
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Originally Posted by Squuiid View Post

Received the 5020UBe yesterday. Got it all setup and hooked up to my sources, however this unit seems to have a focus problem?
On all sources I'm seeing the following problem with focus. I focus it perfectly with the focus ring and see clear sharp text, and then it does this: 10 seconds of perfect focus-->loses focus for 1 second--> 10 seconds of perfect focus--> loses focus for 1 second, etc, etc.
Best way to describe it is a pulsing focus issue.
Any ideas folks?

Are you by chance using the Wireless HDMI?

If you are then it is likely the culprit and you'll want to move the transmitter around and see if you can improve it, of course it may be another signal causing the issue.

I have dual wireless HDMI kits and they do almost exactly what you describe if they are not placed carefully (although I am working with a transmitter & receiver).

If you are wired direct then that does sound odd, does it do it with all sources?

Jason
post #329 of 782
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Are you by chance using the Wireless HDMI?
If you are then it is likely the culprit and you'll want to move the transmitter around and see if you can improve it, of course it may be another signal causing the issue.
I have dual wireless HDMI kits and they do almost exactly what you describe if they are not placed carefully (although I am working with a transmitter & receiver).
If you are wired direct then that does sound odd, does it do it with all sources?
Jason

You my friend are awesome. I am indeed and this was it. Thank you!

I watched my 1st 3D movie on it last night, 'How to Train your Dragon' and I did unfortunately see quite a bit of ghosting in background areas throughout the movie, some very pronounced. A little disappointing.
This is also quite a dark movie and I found brightness to be an issue in places, especially during the opening sequence. From what I've read the 5020 is pretty bright in 3D so I can't imagine how bad older 3D projectors must have been for 3D brightness. Pretty unwatchable I would have thought.
I used Cinema mode, with the Iris on normal, but may have to try Dynamic next time and sacrifice good color.
3D glasses are excellent. They are light, never lost sync and well made.

Other impressions, coming from DLP, I find the Iris to be pretty noisy, especially having the projector mounted directly above my sofa. I'll get used to it, but my DLP Mits was a lot quieter.

Haven't tested gaming lag yet, played a few quick games on PS3 to see what they looked like and didn't really notice lag especially, but not yet properly gamed on it.

The projector itself is pretty big, especially coming from a 720p DLP, and looks a little like a cross between a tie fighter and a storm trooper. Would have preferred the 6020 styling to be honest.

Wireless HDMI is OK, although it does have an issue with Optical out to a receiver when using a PS3 specifically. HDMI to optical does not work (no front or center channels) and you have to go straight optical out from the PS3 directly to the receiver, bypassing the Epson Wireless HDMI box.
Switching sources and resolutions on the Wireless HDMI unit is also slow, and gets pretty annoying when using a PS3 where it has to resync when going back to the XMB or when updating a game or going into a game. You will sometimes miss the game intro while waiting for the Wireless HDMI to sync.

Mac Mini 2012 through HDMI does NOT WORK with this projector, there are some serious handshake problems, but this issue is most definitely with the Mac Mini and not the projector. It is well documented on Apple forums.

However, I have just listed all the negatives of this projector in order to inform you all of what to expect, I do like this projector A LOT. 2D is amazing, sharpness to my eye (20/20) 126" screen at 14' away is very good IMO, as are blacks, and convergence on my unit is very good. I like the remote also. SR on setting 1 is pretty nice too.

Firmware version is V100 by the way.
Edited by Squuiid - 11/10/12 at 11:53am
post #330 of 782
A few thangs:

-PC just posted a 5020 and AE8000 shootout (http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson_5020_vs_panasonic_ae8000.htm); they're essentially tied

-one thing that caught my notice is that the AE8000 has significantly less input lag (34ms) than the 5020 (50ms); what's even more interesting is that according to the comments; no user has been able to match the 50ms (the best anyone has been able to get is 62ms)

-as tempting as the AE8000 is, I'll still wait for Epson to get it right on the 5030 or whatever the next one is called due to their otherworldly and outstanding customer service
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