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post #391 of 740
11/18/12 at 4:57am
Good to hear. I will call my dealer tomorrow. Thanks Beamis
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post #392 of 740
11/18/12 at 5:05am
I viewed a 6020 here in Dallas on Friday. The local dealer had them IN STOCK for sale priced the same as the 6010. They only had a few but said a new shipment is coming on Monday. biggrin.gif
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post #393 of 740
11/18/12 at 6:00am
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I viewed a 6020 here in Dallas on Friday. The local dealer had them IN STOCK for sale priced the same as the 6010. They only had a few but said a new shipment is coming on Monday. biggrin.gif

How was it? Anything different from the 5020 besides color?
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post #394 of 740
11/18/12 at 7:32am
I liked it enough to take one!!!! No noticeable difference between the two in my opinion. I decided to take this over a 5020 for the convenience of the all-in-one package.
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post #395 of 740
11/18/12 at 8:51am
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Can yoy use the Samsung 3D active glasses # SSG-2100AB with Epson 5020.


EDIT: Correction, I looked at the 4100's. I believe the 2100's are IR, not RF, and therefore will NOT work.


4100's Review: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-4100GB-Active-Glasses-Models/product-reviews/B007K9P7H0/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
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post #396 of 740
11/18/12 at 12:58pm
Trusted Reviews review of the 5020

http://www.trustedreviews.com/epson-eh-tw8100-lcd-projector_Projector_review
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post #397 of 740
11/19/12 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by Beamis View Post

I have ordered a 6020 through my local dealer. When I talked to him on Friday, he said the projector was on order and should be to them on Tuesday Nov. 20th.
We are looking to install the week of Nov. 26th if there are no delays.

I have yet to hear a price for the 6020. What is it?

I'll decide between the 5020 and the 6020 after I know the prices. I bet I choose the 5020. The price difference between the 5010 and 6010 were miles apart. I expect the same for the 20s.
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post #398 of 740
11/19/12 at 7:15am
Sorry if this has been asked already but I haven't had time to read through all the thread yet. Can anyone confirm that the Epson will do anamorphic support in 3D mode? I'm using a Panamorph 480 Horizontal Expansion lens. Thanks!
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post #399 of 740
11/19/12 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Beamis View Post

I have ordered a 6020 through my local dealer. When I talked to him on Friday, he said the projector was on order and should be to them on Tuesday Nov. 20th.
We are looking to install the week of Nov. 26th if there are no delays.

I have yet to hear a price for the 6020. What is it?

I'll decide between the 5020 and the 6020 after I know the prices. I bet I choose the 5020. The price difference between the 5010 and 6010 were miles apart. I expect the same for the 20s.

My 6020 will hopefully be coming in latter today or tomorrow. I'll PM you the price I paid here in Canada if that helps - I'm not sure if posting pricing is permitted here.
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post #400 of 740
11/19/12 at 5:20pm
The pipeline is filling. I have them in stock. But Epson prohibits advertising at anything other than list and prohibits online sales. You need to call a dealer to see what you can do. This product is intended by Epson to be sold by dealers local to the customer and ideally to be installed by the dealer although this isn't a requirement.
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post #401 of 740
11/19/12 at 5:47pm
Anyone know why the 5020UB isn't available at the Epson online store? Are they deferring to their online (& local) dealers for higher end PJ's like this one?
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post #402 of 740
11/19/12 at 6:50pm
I ordered my 6020 tonight. $3,499. Should be in later this week.
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post #403 of 740
11/20/12 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

Trusted Reviews review of the 5020
http://www.trustedreviews.com/epson-eh-tw8100-lcd-projector_Projector_review

This link is a review of the Epson 8100. Is this the same as the Epson 5020UB? even though it does not have UB designation? The review also says that the blacks are not that great even though the reviews for the 5020 say it has some of the best blacks in the industry.
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post #404 of 740
11/20/12 at 3:40pm
We are currently having a new home built. It's crunch time for the movie room. I have all equipment picked out except the projector. I plan to have a 138" diagonal 2.35:1 screen.
The projector I want is the Epson 5020. I know this does not have CIH. I'm trying to weigh the advantages of going with CIH or Lens Memory projector. Any advice will be a big help, I need to order soon.

1. Can it do cinema scope with no anamorphic lens or additional accessories?
2. If it can do 2.35:1 is there lost image quality and if so is this even noticeable?
3. Will this projector be able to light up a screen this big in a light controlled room?
4. How time consuming it is to switch the projector from cinemascope to 16:9?
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post #405 of 740
11/20/12 at 4:36pm
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This link is a review of the Epson 8100. Is this the same as the Epson 5020UB? even though it does not have UB designation? The review also says that the blacks are not that great even though the reviews for the 5020 say it has some of the best blacks in the industry.

I believe it is -- if you look at the stats in the review they quote Epson's 320,000:1 contrast ratio, which is what Epson claims for the 5020 and vertical and horizontal lens shift. The Epson 3020 doesn't have this contrast ratio or the lens shift, so its not that model! These reviews are all over the place. Art at Projector reviews thinks the 5020 is better than the Panasonic and about on par with the Sony, while PC says the 5020 and the Panny are about equal. Trusted Reviews appears to like both the Sony and Panny better than the Epson. The Epson is the cheapest and I think the reviewers are sometimes biased by price -- you get what you pay for.
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post #406 of 740
11/20/12 at 11:25pm
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We are currently having a new home built. It's crunch time for the movie room. I have all equipment picked out except the projector. I plan to have a 138" diagonal 2.35:1 screen.
The projector I want is the Epson 5020. I know this does not have CIH. I'm trying to weigh the advantages of going with CIH or Lens Memory projector. Any advice will be a big help, I need to order soon.
1. Can it do cinema scope with no anamorphic lens or additional accessories?
2. If it can do 2.35:1 is there lost image quality and if so is this even noticeable?
3. Will this projector be able to light up a screen this big in a light controlled room?
4. How time consuming it is to switch the projector from cinemascope to 16:9?

I recommend if you will be going to a 2.35 setup and you would like this projector, get a Lumagen Mini 3D. It's kind of expensive at $1500 but this will allow any projector to do 2.35 without having to zoom in and out. The Epson 5020 is not compatible with an anamorphic lens. A Lumagen Mini 3d is the answer. Look up Brolic Beast on youtube and look at his lumagen mini 3d videos.

To answer your questions..

1. Technically it can but there is not masking features in the projector, you will just be doing the zoom method. Anamorphic lens is not supported with this projector only the 6010/20.
2. This is debatable, people say using an anamorphic lens you get to use more pixels which results in a sharper image, but you will also see zoomers praise zooming over using a lens (cheaper).
3. You will have no problems lighting a 138" screen, brightness will depend on a few factors though: distance of projector to screen, gain of screen, ambient light in room?
4. On the Epson models, they are manual zoom/focus, so anytime you want to change the zoom you have to go to the projector and move the knob by the lens to achieve this. But with a lumagen you set it once at the 2.35 size and the lumagen does all the video processing.

Hope I helped, I'm no expert, and I don't have a 5020, I have a Panasonic AE7000, but I have been looking at this projector for a while.
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post #407 of 740
11/20/12 at 11:40pm
8100 is 5020,9100 is 6020 verywhere but the states it seems.
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post #408 of 740
11/21/12 at 2:48am
I will be ordering a 5020 soon, and want to start cabling everything so when the pj arrives it's just plug and play. I need between 40-50 ft run, is there any kind of "special" HDMI cable I should order or anyone will work.

Thanks in advance, MJC
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post #409 of 740
11/21/12 at 5:07am
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8100 is 5020,9100 is 6020 verywhere but the states it seems.

Epson sells its new projectors as the 3020, 5020 and 6020 in Canada as well, so for NA it uses these numbers and in Europe and maybe elsewhere it designates them as the 6100?, 8100 and 9100.
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post #410 of 740
11/21/12 at 7:56am
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I will be ordering a 5020 soon, and want to start cabling everything so when the pj arrives it's just plug and play. I need between 40-50 ft run, is there any kind of "special" HDMI cable I should order or anyone will work.
Thanks in advance, MJC


They also sell it in 40ft. for around 5 bucks less:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1025503&p_id=9432&seq=1&format=2

Or the below:

http://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-Ultra-Series-Ethernet-Available/dp/B008DW9H56/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353513521&sr=8-1&keywords=mediabridge+hdmi+50ft.+cable


Regards, wink.gif
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post #411 of 740
11/21/12 at 9:53am
Anyone using the Darbee and happy with the results.
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post #412 of 740
11/21/12 at 9:56am
Can anyone say authoritatively whether or not the 5020 supports an Anamorphic lens.

Arts review, and the Epson website says that it does but I have seen more than a few people say that it doesn't.

Personally I'm ready to bite the bullet and upgrade from a 8700UB but I also have a Panamorph lens and I need to know that its going to work.
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post #413 of 740
11/21/12 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Cobb28 View Post

We are currently having a new home built. It's crunch time for the movie room. I have all equipment picked out except the projector. I plan to have a 138" diagonal 2.35:1 screen.
The projector I want is the Epson 5020. I know this does not have CIH. I'm trying to weigh the advantages of going with CIH or Lens Memory projector. Any advice will be a big help, I need to order soon.
1. Can it do cinema scope with no anamorphic lens or additional accessories?
2. If it can do 2.35:1 is there lost image quality and if so is this even noticeable?
3. Will this projector be able to light up a screen this big in a light controlled room?
4. How time consuming it is to switch the projector from cinemascope to 16:9?
I have a 5010 which should be very similar, but I only use it for 3D (which is excellent). I have a similar sized CIH screen paired with a JVC RS55 for 2D.

1. It can only do the zoom method which requires manually adjusting zoom, lens shift and focus (although I've noticed focus stays pretty stable).

2. Like a typical LCD there is very pronounced pixel structure. If you zoom the image to fit a screen that large, you will not be able to sit very close without seeing SDE or a quite digital look. One of the biggest advantages of a CIH setup is being able to sit close and have nice immersion for 2.35 material, but also have 16:9 be a pleasing size.

3. Most likely, yes.

4. On my 5010, the horizontal and vertical lens shift controls interact with each other more than any other projector I've seen. This makes it difficult to get the image aligned perfectly to the screen. Unless this has greatly improved, I wouldn't recommend it. The other poster's suggestion of the Lumagen Mini was a good one, but the projector will still be zoomed to fill that large screen and have the same problem with SDE.

I would highly recommend getting on the AVS preorder list for a JVC RS46 which is in the same price range. The LCOS technology and lens memory are much more suited for CIH. Unless 3D is extremely important to you. JVC claims to have improved it this year but that is yet to be determined.... Another good option might be the Panny 8000 for the smoothscreen and lens memory.
Edited by 5mark - 11/21/12 at 10:57am
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post #414 of 740
11/21/12 at 2:29pm
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I have a 5010 which should be very similar, but I only use it for 3D (which is excellent). I have a similar sized CIH screen paired with a JVC RS55 for 2D.
1. It can only do the zoom method which requires manually adjusting zoom, lens shift and focus (although I've noticed focus stays pretty stable).
2. Like a typical LCD there is very pronounced pixel structure. If you zoom the image to fit a screen that large, you will not be able to sit very close without seeing SDE or a quite digital look. One of the biggest advantages of a CIH setup is being able to sit close and have nice immersion for 2.35 material, but also have 16:9 be a pleasing size.
3. Most likely, yes.
4. On my 5010, the horizontal and vertical lens shift controls interact with each other more than any other projector I've seen. This makes it difficult to get the image aligned perfectly to the screen. Unless this has greatly improved, I wouldn't recommend it. The other poster's suggestion of the Lumagen Mini was a good one, but the projector will still be zoomed to fill that large screen and have the same problem with SDE.
I would highly recommend getting on the AVS preorder list for a JVC RS46 which is in the same price range. The LCOS technology and lens memory are much more suited for CIH. Unless 3D is extremely important to you. JVC claims to have improved it this year but that is yet to be determined.... Another good option might be the Panny 8000 for the smoothscreen and lens memory.

I can't speak for the Epson and the screen door effect on it. But I have a Panasonic PT-AE7000u (had a 4000u also) and I have never had the screen door effect on these. So you might want to look into the Panasonic PT-AE8000u if you like the specs of the Epson 5020/6020. The specs are very similar but the panasonic has the smoothscreen and a less gaming lag (virtually none when i'm playing Black Ops 2 online in game mode). The Panasonic also has a motorized lens and focus so it will be easier to do a CIH 2.35 setup.

Just my opinion...I'm going to save up and get the AE8000 soon and the Lumagen Mini 3d hopefully.
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post #415 of 740
11/21/12 at 4:46pm
Anyone ever buy from Ultimate Home Theatre they are advertising the 5020 at $150 off MSRP. I'm actually planning on buying from projector people but worthwhile asking for a price match if anyone else is interested.
Edited by lesliew - 11/21/12 at 5:41pm
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post #416 of 740
11/21/12 at 8:32pm
If you can vertically stretch the image in the Blu-ray player or your Receiver/Pre-Pro then it shouldn't matter that the 5020 cannot process the picture on board. I have the Oppo BDP-103 and the Onkyo PR-SC5508 which can both perform the vertical stretch. And to move a motorized lens, you will have to get the signal from somewhere other than the projector (again the other equipment could provide the trigger signal).

The projector may not support the A-lens, but the system can be made to compensate to provide 2:40 solution via an anamorphic lens.


This was one heck of a bait and switch. Even Epson's website said the 5020 supported an A-lens. As soon as I saw it on their website, I placed the order. Then when I went back to the site, the A-lens support had been removed. ProjectorReviews.com and ProjecorCentral.com both reported the pre-release feature of A-lens support. Epson dealers must have realized that there would have been no reason to buy a 6020. Deceptive or stupid, it has to be one or the other.

Also "speeding it up" to maybe 50ms (at best) and being cagey about the speed up was a bit deceptive too.

My 5020 is still sitting boxed, waiting to be mounted. Thanksgiving (tomorrow) is supposed to be the big day.
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post #417 of 740
11/22/12 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by GRBoomer View Post

If you can vertically stretch the image in the Blu-ray player or your Receiver/Pre-Pro then it shouldn't matter that the 5020 cannot process the picture on board. I have the Oppo BDP-103 and the Onkyo PR-SC5508 which can both perform the vertical stretch. And to move a motorized lens, you will have to get the signal from somewhere other than the projector (again the other equipment could provide the trigger signal).
The projector may not support the A-lens, but the system can be made to compensate to provide 2:40 solution via an anamorphic lens.
This was one heck of a bait and switch. Even Epson's website said the 5020 supported an A-lens. As soon as I saw it on their website, I placed the order. Then when I went back to the site, the A-lens support had been removed. ProjectorReviews.com and ProjecorCentral.com both reported the pre-release feature of A-lens support. Epson dealers must have realized that there would have been no reason to buy a 6020. Deceptive or stupid, it has to be one or the other.
Also "speeding it up" to maybe 50ms (at best) and being cagey about the speed up was a bit deceptive too.
My 5020 is still sitting boxed, waiting to be mounted. Thanksgiving (tomorrow) is supposed to be the big day.

I just re-read Arts review of the 5020 and saw where he retracted his statement about the Anamorphic support so that just about kills the deal for me on the 5020.

I have the Onkyo TX-NR809 but that dosn't support vertical stretch so that's not an option for me and although the OPPO is something on my wishlist; since I already have an A-lens I'll probably put the extra towards the 6020.

BTW looked up your PR-SC5508, thats sweeeet !
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post #418 of 740
11/22/12 at 11:27am
In case there is any question this is the last of the 6010 and our third shipment of 6020 and some 5020. Epson is difinally shipping the 6020.
Installed a 6020 yesterday and it looked great just like the 6010. Glasses are nice also.

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post #419 of 740
11/22/12 at 5:32pm
I'm not sure if anyone else has their 6020 yet but store dropped mine off at home today at 5:30.

This is my first projector so I don't have a screen as of yet. My Seymour AT screen doesn't ship until the first week of December, so until then I will be watching movies on a white bed sheet. I haven't even had time to setup the bed sheet yet so the past hour I've been watching on an unfinished basement wall, complete with pink fibreglass halfway down the wall. LOL

Obviously I will not comment on the quality of the picture under these circumstances. I'll be setting up the bed sheet latter this evening which should improve the picture somewhat.

Anyone else have their 6020 yet or am I the first?

Happy Thanksgiving to all my American friends.

-- Bill --
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post #420 of 740
11/22/12 at 7:36pm
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I'm not sure if anyone else has their 6020 yet but store dropped mine off at home today at 5:30.

You probably are the first but I really struck lucky today and got a crazy deal on a 6020 that I am picking up tomorrow.
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