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post #481 of 740
12/4/12 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by UdoG View Post

Wow - a pretty good convergence (screenshot menu)! How is this possible?

Could be a 'cherry-picked' review unit or it could just be the low res images are not showing the mild errors that are likely there.

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post #482 of 740
12/4/12 at 3:49am
Another review this one in french with different kind of convergences wink.gif

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/350-Epson-EH-TW9100-0.html

google translation :

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiovideohd.fr%2Ftests%2F350-Epson-EH-TW9100-0.html
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post #483 of 740
12/4/12 at 7:46am
Here's my friend's 5020. I tried to align the lcd panels the best I could but the convergence and CA on his unit are terrible. I told him to take it back to Bestbuy for an exchange.

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post #484 of 740
12/4/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Could be a 'cherry-picked' review unit or it could just be the low res images are not showing the mild errors that are likely there.

Jason

it looks like screenshots are taken at seating distance and cropped. the errors are likely there when viewed at a closer distance.

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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

Here's my friend's 5020. I tried to align the lcd panels the best I could but the convergence and CA on his unit are terrible. I told him to take it back to Bestbuy for an exchange.

did you try to do the zone based pixel alignment?
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post #485 of 740
12/4/12 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

did you try to do the zone based pixel alignment?

Yes, I did. The CA/ fringing is really bad though. I can't get a sharp focus due to the smearing.
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post #486 of 740
12/4/12 at 3:01pm
The pseudo convergence on the 5020 is mostly useless unless the errors are very very slight.

Jason
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post #487 of 740
12/4/12 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

The pseudo convergence on the 5020 is mostly useless unless the errors are very very slight.

Jason

I agree, there is only so much it can do. I didn't realize it was CA fringing until I looked at it closer. If it can be seen at 1/2 - 3/4 seating distance, it might be worth a swap.
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post #488 of 740
12/4/12 at 3:48pm
Hello.

Zombie, how is your convergence on EPOSN 5020 ? I am on second 9100w here in EU, and convergence is similar to photo above.
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post #489 of 740
12/4/12 at 4:01pm
They way to make it look best is to not use lens shift. Keep the chip image leaving the exir glas dead centered in all directions. You can make things better by using full width pixel widths. After that you starting because of the psuedo adjustments lose resolution and sharpness. This happens will aa projectors using subpixel electronic picture shifting through timing. Once you need to correct in a fraction say over 2 tenth a pixel you start really scrwwing the image up. But if all you can see is a grid looking better,god bliss and view in your ignorance. Multi zone really is a disaster resolution and fsharpness wise on any projector. just live with the mixconvergence or CA, if its mainly blue. At any real viewing distance you won't see it, your eyes are too insensitive to blue.

Why did epson put it in if it is so bad. To stop ignorant customers from complaining about misconvergence. Pretty much does that job.
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post #490 of 740
12/5/12 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

Hi guys,
Got my 9100 and looks pretty good but I thought id take a look at convergence close up and it looks like this?..........If I am around 1 meter away I do see this convergence. Is it bad?...would you ask for a replacement?. From 4m away I dont notice it. But would it be affecting sharpness?


Cheers!
Hello, any luck with replacement pj?
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post #491 of 740
12/5/12 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by mjugen View Post

Hello, any luck with replacement pj?

Well I rang them and told them about it and they said someone will contact me within 24-48hrs and that was not yesterday but the day before...........no call yet. Ill give them till tommorow lunch time and then Ill give them a call.

I have also noticed there are some parts of the screen that arnt as sharp as others..no matter what I do I cant get certain parts sharp as Id want them to be frown.gif
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post #492 of 740
12/5/12 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

Well I rang them and told them about it and they said someone will contact me within 24-48hrs and that was not yesterday but the day before...........no call yet. Ill give them till tommorow lunch time and then Ill give them a call.
I have also noticed there are some parts of the screen that arnt as sharp as others..no matter what I do I cant get certain parts sharp as Id want them to be frown.gif
Well to be honest, I came to conclusion a while ago that regarding Epson this is it. Believe it or not, I was having a luxury to see 9 or 10 TW9000W and now 2 TW9100W. All that I can tell you, that all models display some convergence and all of them quite the same amount, white lines/font where a bit green and purple on sides….. I was first surprised and then come to the conclusion that this is 3LCD for this amount of money. Also what you described with the lens, I was never able to focus the whole screen, if I sharpen the center to the best I can, then some edge will get a bit blurry.

Best regards,

Tom
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post #493 of 740
12/5/12 at 9:52am
This is my 6010, I don't think it looks too bad. This is also up super close....

Also, on the subject of lag, I will be honest, I almost didn't buy the 6010 because of the talk about the lag. I play Black Ops 2 online and am around a 1.5 KD, it't not great but I never feel like any input lag is causing me lose a battle. In fact throuhout my years of online gaming and many projectors I don't feel as if I am being cheated by input lag. Maybe I am not "pro" enough to notice. confused.gif

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post #494 of 740
12/5/12 at 9:55am
Did you changed the convergence or is it out-of-the-box?
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post #495 of 740
12/5/12 at 9:59am
I did adjust the 4 corners, but it honestly didn't look too much worse if I remember correctly. I only grabbed the picture as someone else was asking how it looked, it wasn't something I could notice from my seating position which is around 14' back...
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post #496 of 740
12/5/12 at 12:33pm
I just returned my 3020 because I had the strangest issue with convergence. I bought the 3020 a week and a half ago and shelf mounted it along with my JVC, Epson 8350 and ViewSonic Pro8100. The image looked fantastic and sharp. Since it was the only one of my projectors that did not have lens shift I had it on the bottom of my rack lined up nicely with the bottom of my screen but it was arm level with one of my recliners. The air vent was blowing hot air directly onto the person sitting in that chair which was unacceptable.

So not having any other place to put the projector on the rack I ceiling mounted it above the rack, again it lined up perfectly now with the top of the screen. Now the image looked soft and text looked really fuzzy. I messed with focus and it never looked as it did when it was rack mounted. So I take it down and place it on the bottom of the rack to see what was going on, for some reason the image was sharp and text was clear with no fuzz or shadow. I flip it upside down as if I was going to ceiling mount it and it went back to looking fuzzy and no matter what I did with the focus ring or the pixel alignment settings would not change the image or text back to a sharp image.

I think I am going to get the 5020 instead. I did not realize what a pain in the A** not having lens shift is.
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post #497 of 740
12/5/12 at 3:39pm
I have a pretty good unit, my color uniformity is solid white all the way across on a full white screen like a test pattern with no other colors like pink or anything and the convergence is very good as well, red is barely off only in a couple of spots with no adjustments made! The first 5020 I had, had horrible color uniformity, both sides of the screen were pink, I noticed it immediately on first fire up.
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post #498 of 740
12/5/12 at 7:34pm
"...... I came to conclusion a while ago that regarding Epson this is it. Believe it or not, I was having a luxury to see 9 or 10 TW9000W and now 2 TW9100W. All that I can tell you, that all models display some convergence and all of them quite the same amount, white lines/font where a bit green and purple on sides….. I was first surprised and then come to the conclusion that this is 3LCD for this amount of money" - Tom


Yes I have to agree, having viewed a number of examples myself (mainly 9000's but also a 9100). I currently have a 9100 on a 120" screen - from my viewing distance convergence is acceptable - in fact generally a great picture and it is on a large screen. But up close you do see the color fringing, and I know it will vary from unit to unit. I suspect replacement will just lead to increased frustration as you probably will be more sensitive to these effects. I do wonder though why Epson QC is not better with the convergence issue, particularly on the flagship units. Other aspects of their product is great with regards to warranty, support and technology eg wireless HDMI.

* The other interesting thing I notice with Australian models is that they do not have a user panel alignment function - not sure why not.
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post #499 of 740
12/5/12 at 9:01pm
Hi,

Do anyone know any other 3D glasses beside the Epson glasses for the 6020 or 5020? I am looking a few more 3D glasses but I am leaning toward 3rd party glasses. The reason why is hopefully I can use them with different brands of projector also.


Thanks,

Vu
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post #500 of 740
12/5/12 at 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by VuH View Post

Hi,
Do anyone know any other 3D glasses beside the Epson glasses for the 6020 or 5020? I am looking a few more 3D glasses but I am leaning toward 3rd party glasses. The reason why is hopefully I can use them with different brands of projector also.
Thanks,
Vu

I think the inexpensive Sony glasses (for their small gaming 3Dtv) will work as well and Best Buy has these for $30/pair.

* Ah my mistake, I guess these glasses do not work on the xx20 series (as my cousin stated below), sorry, I thought we had used them on the 5020. wink.gif

Jason
Edited by DaGamePimp - 12/6/12 at 2:10pm
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post #501 of 740
12/5/12 at 11:53pm
You can use all glasses with the FullHD-3D logo like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-4100GB-Active-Glasses-Models/dp/B007K9P7H0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1354780366&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+SSG-4100GB
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post #502 of 740
12/6/12 at 7:11am
The ps3 glasses work with the 10 series, not the 20 series.
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post #503 of 740
12/6/12 at 8:34am
Here is a link to my convergence pics....
http://imageshack.us/g/1/9906086/

Check out some of the How to Train your dragon ones...the green line between the picture and bottom black bar is noticable from 3.5m away at my seating position!.....bloody annoying. Ive sent Epson an email with the same pics....hopefully get a replacement.
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post #504 of 740
12/6/12 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by dolphinc View Post

I just returned my 3020 because I had the strangest issue with convergence. I bought the 3020 a week and a half ago and shelf mounted it along with my JVC, Epson 8350 and ViewSonic Pro8100. The image looked fantastic and sharp. Since it was the only one of my projectors that did not have lens shift I had it on the bottom of my rack lined up nicely with the bottom of my screen but it was arm level with one of my recliners. The air vent was blowing hot air directly onto the person sitting in that chair which was unacceptable.
So not having any other place to put the projector on the rack I ceiling mounted it above the rack, again it lined up perfectly now with the top of the screen. Now the image looked soft and text looked really fuzzy. I messed with focus and it never looked as it did when it was rack mounted. So I take it down and place it on the bottom of the rack to see what was going on, for some reason the image was sharp and text was clear with no fuzz or shadow. I flip it upside down as if I was going to ceiling mount it and it went back to looking fuzzy and no matter what I did with the focus ring or the pixel alignment settings would not change the image or text back to a sharp image.
I think I am going to get the 5020 instead. I did not realize what a pain in the A** not having lens shift is.

Same issue, but worse, with my 5020. Sitting on a box it had excellent convergence, perfect color uniformity, pretty good focus uniformity. Turned it upside down to ceiling mount it and everything falls apart. Convergence off by 4 or 5 pixels. Focus uniformity gone to hell. Really too bad because otherwise this was a great unit. The iris is damn near silent. I can barely hear it even in a completely quiet room. Color uniformity WAS perfect. After adjusting the convergence, which took forever because I had to adjust each and every square, the left half of the picture has a pink hue to it when viewing a white field.

BTW, why does everyone say convergence is electronic? The website says motorized, and after spending 90 minutes adjusting convergence it sure has a motorized "feel" to it. Some squares adjusted very slowly and with a jerky motion. Some were quick and smooth. I really don't know one way or the other, but other than people saying it's electronic I've never seen anything that references why people believe the specs on the website are wrong?

Best Buy has no units in stock anywhere in town. I got it way too cheap too consider returning it. I wonder if Epson would respond to a demand for a brand new unit as opposed to a refurb--and how that would affect my Best Buy warranty and exchange/return rights. It's only a few days old...
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post #505 of 740
12/6/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

This is my 6010, I don't think it looks too bad. This is also up super close....
Also, on the subject of lag, I will be honest, I almost didn't buy the 6010 because of the talk about the lag. I play Black Ops 2 online and am around a 1.5 KD, it't not great but I never feel like any input lag is causing me lose a battle. In fact throuhout my years of online gaming and many projectors I don't feel as if I am being cheated by input lag. Maybe I am not "pro" enough to notice. confused.gif

If you move the menu to other parts of the screen, is it that good everywhere? I mean not only is convergence great in that pic but focus is perfect and CA is pretty minimal. I'm just curious if your entire screen is uniformly that good? My 8700UB is... but I'm not real happy with the 5020 right now.
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post #506 of 740
12/6/12 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

Same issue, but worse, with my 5020. Sitting on a box it had excellent convergence, perfect color uniformity, pretty good focus uniformity. Turned it upside down to ceiling mount it and everything falls apart. quote]

This seems crazy as won't most people mount this on a ceiling, thus have it upside down?
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post #507 of 740
12/6/12 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

Same issue, but worse, with my 5020. Sitting on a box it had excellent convergence, perfect color uniformity, pretty good focus uniformity. Turned it upside down to ceiling mount it and everything falls apart. Convergence off by 4 or 5 pixels. Focus uniformity gone to hell. Really too bad because otherwise this was a great unit. The iris is damn near silent. I can barely hear it even in a completely quiet room. Color uniformity WAS perfect. After adjusting the convergence, which took forever because I had to adjust each and every square, the left half of the picture has a pink hue to it when viewing a white field.
BTW, why does everyone say convergence is electronic? The website says motorized, and after spending 90 minutes adjusting convergence it sure has a motorized "feel" to it. Some squares adjusted very slowly and with a jerky motion. Some were quick and smooth. I really don't know one way or the other, but other than people saying it's electronic I've never seen anything that references why people believe the specs on the website are wrong?
Best Buy has no units in stock anywhere in town. I got it way too cheap too consider returning it. I wonder if Epson would respond to a demand for a brand new unit as opposed to a refurb--and how that would affect my Best Buy warranty and exchange/return rights. It's only a few days old...

My friend's 5020 is the same way. When ceiling mounting the convergence and CA went to hell. I told him to take that %$^&@* back to Best Buy for an exchange. Our Best Buy has no units either so they had to order.
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post #508 of 740
12/6/12 at 12:14pm
Thank you very much guys. I will check those glasses out.

Vu
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post #509 of 740
12/6/12 at 6:57pm
My 8100's fan noise is driving me crazy (strange buzzing sound). I was going to wait for the 5030 to see if Epson solved the unacceptable lag (I'm a huge gamer) but now my timetable for a new projector has been moved up. Can a fellow 360 and Gears of War 1/2/3 owner who happens to own a 5020 do me a favor:

-try the active reload mechanic from Gears (press LB); try to stop the hash in the narrow white zone (by pressing LB again) for a perfect active reload

-this is a fitting test for how much more improved the lag is over the 5010; I've tried Gears on the 5010 and perfect active reloading is impossible due to the ridiculously high input lag

Thank you very much. My future entertainment possibilities depend on you.
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post #510 of 740
12/7/12 at 5:54am
Well I got my replacement today...and got it home connected it all up!......................SAME ISSUE!. Convergance was horrible again!...........I just emailed Epson saying I have tried 2 projectors within 2 weeks with the exact same problem. I would pretty much prefer a refund and I dont want to play "lucky duck" with getting a 3rd.

New units misconvergance!
http://imageshack.us/g/1/9907331/
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