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post #61 of 782
I am presently designing a home theatre room in my basement, which measures about 14 ft by 16 ft, so I am focusing on a 102-106" Carada screen at about a 12-13 ft throw.

(Are Carada screens good?)

The front runner for me has been Optoma HD33. Have not seen one, no one locally in Metro Detroit seems to have them on display.

Saw an Epson 3010 in person at Paulson's A/V in Farmington Hills. Looked good. HOWEVER, everyone states that it has horrible lag for gaming and ghosting/crosstalk on 3D, not as nice as HD33 in this regard.

I will primarily be watching movies, but I have twin 5 year old boys who, in the next couple years, will probably start to get into gaming with my old PS3 so lag is a consideration.

Questions:

1) Should I just forget 3D, and get the Epson 8350? Is it going to provide significantly better 2d image than the new 3020 or HD33? Something bothers me about buying this projector because no update is in sight, and its getting long in the tooth.

2) Is the ghosting/crosstalk in 3d with the 3010 a function of its infared (as opposed to RF) glasses, or is that just something inherent to LCD vs DLP?(Everyone seems to rave about the 3d on the HD33, and especially with the RF glasses)

What is going to be overall better projector, and which would you buy, HD33 or 3020? Is 3020 with much more lumens going ot be too bright on my 102-106" screen? Cinema mode seems to make it tolerable.

Sorry for the rambling, just trying to get a better idea of what you guys recommend for a newbie looking for a budget projector to get him through the long Michigan winters (with a glass of bourbon too!)

Thanks.
post #62 of 782
You will get more responses if you post in the under $3,000 projector thread. As far as Carada screens, they are good screens.
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post #63 of 782
If it is confirmed that the Lag in the x020 series is improved and acceptable, I will buy this projector on the spot. If not, I will buy the Panny AE8000, which has confirmed acceptable lag. I prefer the Epson because of the awesome customer service and exchange policy, but no point in buying a PJ that I will hate for gaming....

If Epson hasn't addressed lag (and I believe it has not because there is absolutely no mention of it in their promotional material), then shame on them. Its ridiculous!
post #64 of 782
well, I guess I will wait for a few reviews and to hear what projector central says, they are obviously in tune with the lag issue.

I am just looking for the best all around performing 3d at around $1,000 to $1,500 and I was really hoping for an update to the Optoma HD33 but those in the know about CEDIA state Optoma wasn't showing anything.

Maybe Optoma will be forced to drop the price of the HD33 now that Epson appears to have upped the game in this segment with the 3020....

and we will be able to buy the HD33s for a few hundred less than the 3020....that would make things interesting.

So for me its still between the HD33 and the 3020, will wait another 30 days or so to see how the 3020 is reviewed and whether a price drop for the HD33 is in order.
post #65 of 782
BigMan...are you really serious about the lagging issues???? you think your 5 yr old son who might as well be 12 will even care or is concerned with lag? by the the time he's aware of lag which is at least another 7 yrs you'll prob go through 2 more PJ's. My vote's for the 3020 or go big with the 5020
post #66 of 782
Big man I'm also located in Michigan and visit Paulson's @ least once a month. When you get a chance try Theater Xtreme in Auburn Hills & also Audio Video Systems in Rochester Hills (not associated with this web site) neither of these have the Optama but they are all Epson dealers & Theater Extreme even has a refurbished 8700 for sale. Just wanted you to know what else was in the area.
post #67 of 782
Just got a call today from the local dealer I've been talking to about the 6020. Epson called him today and he is getting a demo of the first run in November. I was really hoping for October but oh we'll. Still no definite price yet though but I'm defiantly gonna preorder.
post #68 of 782
Is the 5020 still missing support for an external anamorphic lens ?.

I was hoping to upgrade my 8700UB this year but wouldn't get away with switching it out for the black 6020. I already have an investment in a CIH lens and 2.40:1 screen. I'm not really a games player but would like to move into 3D
post #69 of 782
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Just got a call today from the local dealer I've been talking to about the 6020. Epson called him today and he is getting a demo of the first run in November. I was really hoping for October but oh we'll. Still no definite price yet though but I'm defiantly gonna preorder.

Yup that is what I was told aslo should have one or two here in November to loan out for Demo units.
post #70 of 782
I know that november was the release schedule for the 6020..has anyone got the OCTOBER confirmation on the 3020 and 5020?
post #71 of 782
Hate to beat a dead horse but keep one thing in mind around input lag: any alleged lag improvements on the 3020, 5020, and 6020 are owed to scurrilous and unconfirmed rumors and speculation; Epson has been dead silent on any supposed lag improvements and the only thing they've gone on record with is higher lumens, CR, and THX.

Epson has said NOTHING on record about improved lag (which is puzzling since that was the #1 complaint about their 2011 projectors and if there were any improvements, you would think that Epson would be crowing from the mountaintop on the record about getting that right). Again, we'll have to wait for Art F. and the other nerds to get review units and plug them up to their $1B refresh rate machines to determine if Epson has been paying attention.
post #72 of 782
I really think a lag improvement would have to be based on a different processor in general, which I seriously doubt that has changed. With all processing turned off, any given projector should be displaying it's best input response/lag, which apparently the 5010 didn't deliver. If the processor is the same, well, you do the math smile.gif.

And trust me, I'm an epson fan. I have a 6500ub which is still kicking, and would love to upgrade eventually. I don't like the lcos models too much (sony/jvc), because I really do notice the ansi contrast difference vs lcd. AND, the JVC's have a 'flicker' type aspect to them which I can't stand. I think it has to do with PWM (can't watch plasma's either do to flicker).
post #73 of 782
so what's a guy like me to do?

Ready to pull the trigger on either the Epson 3020 or Optoma HD33.

Which is the better all around projector? I'm not a huge gamer but lag is an issue. Both of these projectors get great reviews. No REAL big knocks against the Optoma HD33.

However, the Epson 3010 (and presumably the 3020?) had two big knocks: 1) awful lag; and 2) ghosting/crosstalk in 3D.

Hopefully the 3020 is reviewed soon.
post #74 of 782
Not trying to thread dump, yet with the case of bigman69's dilemma, I am in the same boat. I have a buddy recommending the Epson's for the quality and warranty aspects...yet am finding input lag unacceptable...and I do plan to game on my projector about 40% of the time, I'd say.

I ended up pre-ordering the Panasonic PT-AE8000 which is supposed to ship out this week. It has decently-low input lag and seems to produce a quality picture, based on reviews and last year's 7000 model. I moved on from Epson because of input lag.

Of course, from my research, JVC is top-end if you can afford it...although cbaseuser's comment of "JVC's have a 'flicker' type aspect to them which I can't stand" is interesting and the first I've heard...which makes me interested to research JVC a bit more to learn about that topic.

Good luck on your decision. biggrin.gif Either way...it's going to be awesome, hopefully.
post #75 of 782
Hey Guys,

I know this isn't really the right thread, but kind of relates. I am looking at doing a 14-15' wide AT screen(seymour) in my dedicated room. I will have total light control and all black and darrrrrrrkk gray, so essentially a bat cave. I am looking for high end perfoemance picture wise, but most midrange offerings can't output enough light for a screen that size. I can't afford to buy a $20k+ Pj, but none of the JVC models or single chip dlp seem to have the light output. I have been reading a ton and it seems the Epson have great light output. So my question is 2 fold...would the 5020 or 6020 potentially have enough light for optimal brightness in my setting, and if so, is the PQ on par with most of the sub$10k offerings?? Thanks in advance
post #76 of 782
The JVCs are brighter than the Epson in their respective best picture quality modes. The Epsons are significantly brighter in less accurate modes. These modes would be bright enough for your size screen. For most people they would still enjoy the picture in these modes. I would take the Epson in these bright modes over a BenQ 7000 which is a bright DLP.
post #77 of 782
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The JVCs are brighter than the Epson in their respective best picture quality modes. The Epsons are significantly brighter in less accurate modes. These modes would be bright enough for your size screen. For most people they would still enjoy the picture in these modes. I would take the Epson in these bright modes over a BenQ 7000 which is a bright DLP.

Thanks Bob,

Anyone using the previous models..6010/5010 on giant screens??
post #78 of 782
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Thanks Bob,
Anyone using the previous models..6010/5010 on giant screens??

I couldn't find the post(s), but there were a couple mentions of it being used on a giant screen. Course you'll have to figure a higher gain screen will help, and throw distance will affect it depending how close you can place the pj. Coderguys calc is pretty good to check out some numbers. http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/

Im using a 6010, only 126" screen 1.3 gain, 14" throw, and I watch a lot of sports with a 60w light about 15' from the screen, in ECO mode. It's bright
post #79 of 782
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I couldn't find the post(s), but there were a couple mentions of it being used on a giant screen. Course you'll have to figure a higher gain screen will help, and throw distance will affect it depending how close you can place the pj. Coderguys calc is pretty good to check out some numbers. http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/
Im using a 6010, only 126" screen 1.3 gain, 14" throw, and I watch a lot of sports with a 60w light about 15' from the screen, in ECO mode. It's bright

Thanks! I think it might be a stretch on a 1 gain and 170" wide screen.
post #80 of 782
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Thanks! I think it might be a stretch on a 1 gain and 170" wide screen.

You would want a good room and you would not get a lot of lamp life. I am discounting dynamic mode, since I would never consider using that mode.
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post #81 of 782
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Originally Posted by danieledmunds View Post

The repsaid the contrast levels had been improved and measured in the same way as the last model. They were claiming 2400 lumens and 2400 color lumens, he was saying color lumens is a new industry standard that Epson, Sony and a few others have started to use and guarentees certain levels of saturation apparently.

Projector Reviews will also adding Color Light Output (CLO) measurements to their reviews. http://www.projectorreviews.com/color-brightness/CLO-video.php
post #82 of 782
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You would want a good room and you would not get a lot of lamp life. I am discounting dynamic mode, since I would never consider using that mode.

Thanks Mike, I appreciate all the feedback you have given in last week or so. The room will be the ideal space, total "blackout". I am just still so afraid that one these PJs in the budget range aren't going to cut it. Wish I could see one in person
post #83 of 782
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Originally Posted by ChopShop1 View Post

Thanks Mike, I appreciate all the feedback you have given in last week or so. The room will be the ideal space, total "blackout". I am just still so afraid that one these PJs in the budget range aren't going to cut it. Wish I could see one in person

The Epson is one of the better choices for light output in this class, but I would not do it.
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post #84 of 782
So Mike, are you saying you would not suggest an Epson? If so why not?
post #85 of 782
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So Mike, are you saying you would not suggest an Epson? If so why not?

I believe that Mike is not recommending the Epson because of the 1.0 gain 170" screen.

A project with greater luminance would most likely be needed.

Cheers,
-- Bill --
post #86 of 782
I am interested because the Epson 5020 was on my list of projectors I am considering for purchase at the end of this year. The screen I plan to use is the same XD screen but not as big as Chopshop’s. I was planning on a 124” 16:9 diagonal screen in my dedicated HT (full light controlled) My throw would be about 17’. My use of the projector would be movies (2D & 3D), NFL football, Netflix and DirecTV in that order. For movies, I would watch in total darkness but would like some light while watching football and that’s were the high lamp mode would come into play.

The three projectors I am looking at are the Epson 5020, the Sony HW50ES and the new JVC RS4810. Reading the first look reviews and looking at the spec’s on these projectors, the Epson is looking like the front runner because it looks like the best compromise of light output, black levels, panel refresh rate and price.

This may all change as the full reviews of these new projectors come out, until then I am just trying to educate myself on these projectors.
post #87 of 782
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Originally Posted by TedO View Post

I am interested because the Epson 5020 was on my list of projectors I am considering for purchase at the end of this year. The screen I plan to use is the same XD screen but not as big as Chopshop’s. I was planning on a 124” 16:9 diagonal screen in my dedicated HT (full light controlled) My throw would be about 17’. My use of the projector would be movies (2D & 3D), NFL football, Netflix and DirecTV in that order. For movies, I would watch in total darkness but would like some light while watching football and that’s were the high lamp mode would come into play.
The three projectors I am looking at are the Epson 5020, the Sony HW50ES and the new JVC RS4810. Reading the first look reviews and looking at the spec’s on these projectors, the Epson is looking like the front runner because it looks like the best compromise of light output, black levels, panel refresh rate and price.
This may all change as the full reviews of these new projectors come out, until then I am just trying to educate myself on these projectors.

I own a 5010 and based upon my calibration results and if my math is correct this projector can provide approximately 16 ftL in ECO mode on a 148" diagonal screen. I have a Carada BW screen that claims a 1.4 gain, but I think it is really closer to 1.0, so that is what I based my math on. This is also based upon a brand new bulb.

Mike mentioned earlier that he would not consider watching in Dynamic mode on the 5010, but that is the mode that I use to calibrate and I'm totally pleased with both the calibration results and the picture quality. The only issue with the Dynamic mode is that at 100% saturation, green has more yellow in it than standard, but rarely is any scene (including a football field) going to have 100 % saturation of any color (IMHO).

If you are interested go to the EPSON calibration guide in this section of the forum and you can see my calibration results.

I hope this helps.
post #88 of 782
Sorry if the answer to my question is well known. The 6020 seems to have wireless HDMI, but I have not been able to confirm if it is also on the 6010. My original understanding was that the 6020 will accept additional sources.
post #89 of 782
For those that haven't seen this teaser review:


http://www.trustedreviews.com/epson-eh-tw9100_Projector_review
post #90 of 782
Thanks Deja Vu. I'm anxious to read more reviews of the 5020. Hopefully in the next 4-6 weeks.I will be replacing my 8100 with the 5020. Do you think I will see a difference in pq quality?wink.gif
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