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post #661 of 782
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

does ceiling mounting ruin the convergence?
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

I discovered something about the problem with inverting some 5020/6020s. Some people have reported problems, which may not have been problems in some cases.

When you adjust the pixel convergence, you tell the red pixels to go up. (For instance.) When you invert the screen, up becomes down. However, the pixel alignment is still telling the red pixels to go up. Except that Up is now down, so the alignment adjustment is now telling the pixels to go exactly the wrong direction. So instead of aligning the pixels, the adjustment you had is un-aligning the pixels. Am I making sense? I tested this by not moving the projector, but changed the projection setting back to "Front" from "Front/Ceiling". Sure enough the pixels went out of alignment.

So, if you test a 50020/6020 on a bench before you ceiling mount it, and if you enable "LCD Alignment" while testing on that bench, and then you ceiling mount it, it's going to look like something moved inside because the convergence will now be horrible. The solution is to "reset" the LCD Alignment and start over.

Hopefully this information will help some people.
post #662 of 782
does anybody know - can i buy wireless hdmi adapters for my 8100(5020) separately?
post #663 of 782
Yes, DVDO makes one, others probably do as well.
post #664 of 782
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Originally Posted by MrDiegoRU-SPB View Post

does anybody know - can i buy wireless hdmi adapters for my 8100(5020) separately?

Currently using a "Nyrius ARIES Prime Digital Wireless HDMI Transmitter & Receiver System for HD 1080p 3D Video Streaming, Laptops, PC, Cablebox, Satellite, Blu-ray, DVD, PS3, Xbox (NPCS549)" with an Epson 3010 and have had no issues with it.

You can get it on Amazon for $150.
post #665 of 782
so its just wireless adapter, it can work with any projector? what about BD3d and OU or side-by-side 3d videos?
post #666 of 782
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

I keep the Iris on my 6020 in High Speed. I never hear it during a movie, even a quiet movie. In a quiet room you can hear it operate. It's fast enough that I've never noticed it operating during a movie, although I can see it operate while switching test patterns.

Mine is right behind my seat and I can absolutely hear the iris. One way of solving this would be to run the projector in normal mode instead of ECO - the iris noise would be overpowered by fan noise ;-)
All joking aside, I think it depends on where the projector is mounted compared to your seating position. I would not be concerned with a ceiling mount, but if you start listening for it, you can absolutely hear it.
post #667 of 782
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Originally Posted by CheapB View Post

Mine is right behind my seat and I can absolutely hear the iris. One way of solving this would be to run the projector in normal mode instead of ECO - the iris noise would be overpowered by fan noise ;-)
All joking aside, I think it depends on where the projector is mounted compared to your seating position. I would not be concerned with a ceiling mount, but if you start listening for it, you can absolutely hear it.

Okay...it seems some hear it and some don't.

Do you see the auto iris changing on the screen?
Do you see it go from dark grey to black quickly...or vice versa?
post #668 of 782
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

does ceiling mounting ruin the convergence?
Good question
post #669 of 782
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So, if you test a 50020/6020 on a bench before you ceiling mount it, and if you enable "LCD Alignment" while testing on that bench, and then you ceiling mount it, it's going to look like something moved inside because the convergence will now be horrible. The solution is to "reset" the LCD Alignment and start over.


So what if I have my projector ceiling mounted already and I have not messed with the alignment? Where should I start? I do not want to take it off the ceiling to adjust it.
post #670 of 782
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

Okay...it seems some hear it and some don't.

Do you see the auto iris changing on the screen?
Do you see it go from dark grey to black quickly...or vice versa?

The only times I see a slight delay is for example when you have a switch to a opening credit with a uniform background that is substantially different than the previous frames. Now I forgot if I have the iris set to Normal or fast, but I can check later today. I wouldn't worry to much about it.
post #671 of 782
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

So what if I have my projector ceiling mounted already and I have not messed with the alignment? Where should I start? I do not want to take it off the ceiling to adjust it.

No, don't take it off the ceiling. My post is meant to prevent people from thinking that something is wrong with their PJ when convergence changes after ceiling mounting. If LCD alignment is NOT activated, you should see no change when you invert the PJ. IF convergence adjustments have been made with the PJ right side up THEN the convergence will look like it's gone to hell after inverting. The solution is to just reset the alignment and start over.

If your PJ is ceiling mounted, just reset your LCD Alignment, if you adjusted it when the PJ was right side up. Now you can start the alignment proccess from a clean slate.
post #672 of 782
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

No, don't take it off the ceiling. My post is meant to prevent people from thinking that something is wrong with their PJ when convergence changes after ceiling mounting. If LCD alignment is NOT activated, you should see no change when you invert the PJ. IF convergence adjustments have been made with the PJ right side up THEN the convergence will look like it's gone to hell after inverting. The solution is to just reset the alignment and start over.

If your PJ is ceiling mounted, just reset your LCD Alignment, if you adjusted it when the PJ was right side up. Now you can start the alignment proccess from a clean slate.

I think what is being said, in a round about way, is reset your calibration to factory settings (or do this with a brand new projector). Mount it on your ceiling and THEN calibrate it.
post #673 of 782
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Originally Posted by CheapB View Post

Mine is right behind my seat and I can absolutely hear the iris. One way of solving this would be to run the projector in normal mode instead of ECO - the iris noise would be overpowered by fan noise ;-)
All joking aside, I think it depends on where the projector is mounted compared to your seating position. I would not be concerned with a ceiling mount, but if you start listening for it, you can absolutely hear it.
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

Okay...it seems some hear it and some don't.


After having tested six 5020/6020s, I can tell you there is also variance in how loud the iris is. 4 of those PJs the iris was extremely quiet, barely audible in a quiet room. Two of the Pjs had an iris that was slightly louder. The first four I could not hear during a quiet movie, even with the PJ mounted right behind me. the other two could be heard if the PJ was mounted right behind me during quiet scenes, especially if I was listening for it. None of the six were audible when ceiling mounted during quiet movies. The PJ I finally kept is one of the two louder ones. Totally unnoticeable, but it is ceiling mounted. On a bench behind my head I think it would be loud enough that I would use normal mode iris rather than high speed. Normal mode iris I can't hear at all. It's more likely you might notice the iris moving though.
post #674 of 782
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Originally Posted by JeffreyJonesBSME View Post

I think what is being said, in a round about way, is reset your calibration to factory settings (or do this with a brand new projector). Mount it on your ceiling and THEN calibrate it.

Yep! biggrin.gif Actually though, you should reset even a brand new PJ if you ceiling mount it. Some PJs are tested by Epson and adjusted. This is done with the PJ right side up on a bench. The only way to know that you are looking at actual convergence, is to turn off LCD alignment. Resetting before adjustment ensures that none of the squares have an adjustment left over from Epson.
post #675 of 782
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

No, don't take it off the ceiling. My post is meant to prevent people from thinking that something is wrong with their PJ when convergence changes after ceiling mounting. If LCD alignment is NOT activated, you should see no change when you invert the PJ. IF convergence adjustments have been made with the PJ right side up THEN the convergence will look like it's gone to hell after inverting. The solution is to just reset the alignment and start over.

If your PJ is ceiling mounted, just reset your LCD Alignment, if you adjusted it when the PJ was right side up. Now you can start the alignment proccess from a clean slate.


Ok. Thanks. Is there a proceedure for dummies out there because I am more of an audio guy and am stepping into unfamiliar territory.
post #676 of 782
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Ok. Thanks. Is there a proceedure for dummies out there because I am more of an audio guy and am stepping into unfamiliar territory.
I put together a procedure here.
post #677 of 782
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Originally Posted by Brian Miller View Post

I put together a procedure here.

This is great info! I would love to see a new separate thread on convergence calibration of 5020/6020 since most owners will need that.
post #678 of 782
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Originally Posted by MrDiegoRU-SPB View Post

so its just wireless adapter, it can work with any projector? what about BD3d and OU or side-by-side 3d videos?

I have a Denon 4311 receiver, which can handle all of the hdmi switching including 3d. I am running it between the projector and the receiver.

They have multiple products. Here is a link to their website.

http://www.nyrius.com/
post #679 of 782
How can you tell if you have "bad" LCD convergance other than going to the LCD Alignment area? What kind of image when displaying a movie would indicate "bad" convergance? Thanks.

Dan
post #680 of 782
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Originally Posted by dconnors77 View Post

How can you tell if you have "bad" LCD convergance other than going to the LCD Alignment area? What kind of image when displaying a movie would indicate "bad" convergance? Thanks.

Dan


The most noticeable is when you have a crisp white line next to a very dark area (titles). Sometimes you'll see a red or blue "shadow" to one side or the other.
post #681 of 782
Being a newb, should I even adjust this on my new projector or just go with the convergance that epson gave to the projector out of the factory?
What percent of new LCD projectors have an issue with convergance right out of the box?
post #682 of 782
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Originally Posted by dconnors77 View Post

Being a newb, should I even adjust this on my new projector or just go with the convergance that epson gave to the projector out of the factory?
What percent of new LCD projectors have an issue with convergance right out of the box?

You can always set back to factory settings if you "mess it up".

Go ahead and give it a try.

I spoke with a dealer and he mentioned that he has seen a small percentage of bad units. It seems, that since we read about it here, the percentage seems high to us.
post #683 of 782
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Originally Posted by Hab99 View Post

Currently using a "Nyrius ARIES Prime Digital Wireless HDMI Transmitter & Receiver System for HD 1080p 3D Video Streaming, Laptops, PC, Cablebox, Satellite, Blu-ray, DVD, PS3, Xbox (NPCS549)" with an Epson 3010 and have had no issues with it.

You can get it on Amazon for $150.

today i get this nyrius - its works, but image is very laggy and artifacting - like big JPEG compression on photos. This is visible only on changing objects like menus etc, on static picture all fine... thats bad - image with this quality not good for top home theater you know... i get 250$ spent on some unusefull trash ....
post #684 of 782
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Originally Posted by MrDiegoRU-SPB View Post

today i get this nyrius - its works, but image is very laggy and artifacting - like big JPEG compression on photos. This is visible only on changing objects like menus etc, on static picture all fine... thats bad - image with this quality not good for top home theater you know... i get 250$ spent on some unusefull trash ....

Sorry it didn't work with your setup.

In my setup the receiver and projector are approximately 15 ft apart and the projector is ceiling mounted. The ceiling is 9 ft high. The transmitter and receiver for the wireless are pretty much line of site. We watch a lot of DirecTV in both 720p and 1080p, 1080p blurays in 2d and 3d and some streaming services through the Sony bluray player. I purchased ours around the 1st of December and it has worked flawlessly since we got it. The picture quality that we experience is first rate quality-wise and we do not experience any of the issues that you describe.

I'm not sure how your setup differs from mine, but I presented how this product worked for me in my system.

Once again, sorry it did not work in your system, but hopefully you can return it and find something that will work.
post #685 of 782
Hab99 no, it works as planned, the distance between transmitter-signal receiver is less than 1 meter (they are laying near each over on floor), but exactly the artifacts of the image is looking slightly bad....
post #686 of 782
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Originally Posted by Kadath View Post

Looks like they got restocked over the weekend. Every store in MD and DE now has plenty of stock. Waiting for a check to clear then I may go grab one up in DE later this week.

How bizaaaah. Went to Christiana today and they told me no stock. Checked the link i posted and sure enough none in MD of DE again. They did say yhey could order it but wouldnt promise delivery before the 21st...
post #687 of 782
Hi All,

Just purchased an Epson TW9100 to replace a Mitsubishi HC7000, and am very happy with the upgrade. I've spent a bit of time on the initial setup, and for some reason cannot seem to get the picture to properly fit my 110" 16x9 screen. The screen is an LP Morgan fixed, and the Epson is attached to the same ceiling bracket as the Mitsubishi, which I had no problems calibrating to fill the screen perfectly with no over scan.

Although I never needed to use it, I knew the Mitsubishi had a setting to alter the vertical and horizontal height of the picture, but the Epson doesn't seem to have those settings. Am I missing something here? My two main sources are an Oppo BD-93 Blu-ray Player, and a Boxee Box. There's also an Xbox 360 and a PS3, but I'm not overly concerned about either of those.

I haven't read of anyone else having these issues, so I'm assuming it's a setting I'm missing. I'd be surprised if it was the positioning of the projector, as the Mitsubishi worked very well from exactly the same spot. I'm not using any lens shift at all. If anybody has any idea for me to try that would be great. Cheers! smile.gif
post #688 of 782
A combination of using the horz/vert lens shift and zoom dials should get the image to fit on the screen, if the pj has been leveled, front to back, side to side. Stay away from the use of keystone if you can.
post #689 of 782
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Originally Posted by Brian Miller View Post

  1. Let the 5020 warm up for 20 minutes.
  2. Put it into Dynamic mode (makes it easier to see pixel structure) and turn off any detail enhancement, sharpening adjustments, and frame interpolation
  3. Bring up the AVS HD 709 horizontal line test pattern (as shown in your photo above)
  4. Using the center of the screen, assess whether R needs to move vertically by -1 or +1 pixel in order to line up with G
  5. Go through the 5020 convergence procedure and set R to -10 or +10 accordingly on all 4 corners (ignore the pattern displayed).
  6. Go back to the AVS pattern and confirm improvement.
  7. Repeat for B vertical.
  8. Switch to the AVS HD 709 vertical line test pattern and repeat the process for both R and B horizontal alignment.
  9. Check the AVS patterns one last time across the whole screen, hopefully you have good results at this point!

So, I wasn't able to get the above correction looking good enough to my eyes on 3 of the 4 units I tested. YMMV.

I posted a summary of my experiences (and eventual success) in the owner's poll thread.
post #690 of 782
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Originally Posted by chiizu42 View Post

So, I wasn't able to get the above correction looking good enough to my eyes on 3 of the 4 units I tested. YMMV.[/URL].
Sorry to hear that, but it looks like you finally got a good unit you are happy with so the story ended well.

FWIW, I've also tried various increments of the panel alignment (10, 8, 5, etc) and I can see color artifacts when using anything other than 10, which looks cleanest to me (10 is the increment my dealer told me to use). For instance, on the AVS HD Rec 709 test disc, the resolution patterns show large faint blue circles when using an increment of 8, but even gray across the screen when using 10. I'm sticking with an increment of 10.

I'm very happy with what I was able to dial in, but I'm using video sources with occasional gaming. No PC desktop use. As you say, YMMV.

-Brian
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