NEW EPSON HOME CINEMA 3020, 5020 and 6020 AVAILABLE IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER 2012 - Page 24

Can I use any other 3d glasses with the 6020?

yes u can

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-4100GB-Active-Glasses-Models/dp/B007K9P7H0%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJ7VMODKUTIUWFY2Q%26tag%3Davsforum00-pro-pt-li-t-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB007K9P7H0

awesome!! thanks

I had been having problems with my 8700UB and Epson said they would upgrade it to a 5020 or 6020 (since they replaced it about 7 times), but there weren't any refurbs of those models for those available yet (as of 2 weeks ago), so they sent me a 6010 (since I didn't want to lose the THX mode). Does anybody know if/when Epson will have refurbs of 6020's in their circulation? I'm asking because the 6010 they sent me also has some issues...

Hi all. Very new to projectors. I started with an Epson MG-850HD about three months ago & a week ago I upgraded to a EH-TW 9100W. Am I in the right thread for my new model as they look the same & I saw somewhere that the model name differs by country. I'm in Australia. Thanks & sorry for the noobness.

These are the specs of it.

PRODUCT NAME Epson EH-TW9100W
PRODUCT CODE V11H530053
WHAT'S IN THE BOX
EH-TW9100W Projector, Power Cable, Remote Control + Batteries, 3D Glasses + USB cable for charging x 2, WirelessHD Transmitter Set, HDMI Cable Clamp x 2, User's Manual
TECHNOLOGY
Projection System RGB liquid crystal shutter projection system
LCD Panel 0.74-inch wide panel with MLA (D9, C2 Fine, 12 bit, OD)
OPTICAL
Zoom 1-2.1 (Optical Zoom)
Screen Size 30" to 300" [0.87 to 9.03 m] (Zoom: Wide)
30" to 300" [1.88 to 19.15 m] (Zoom: Tele)
Lens Shift Vertical: -96.3% to +96.3% (H Center, Manual)
Horizontal: -47.1% to +47.1% (V Center, Manual)
Keystone Correction Vertical: -30 to +30 degrees
Projection Distance 100" screen 2.98 - 6.36 m
Throw Ratio 1.34 (Zoom: Wide), 2.87 (Zoom: Tele)
Projection Lens F Number 2.0 - 3.17
Projection Lens Focal Length 22.5 mm - 47.2 mm
Focus Method Manual Focus
IMAGE
Colour Light Output 2,400 Lumens
White Light Output 2,400 Lumens
Resolution 1080p
Native Aspect Ratio 16:9
Contrast Ratio 320,000:1
Lamp Type 230 W UHE (E-TORL)
Colour Video Processing Full 10bit (Partial 12bit)
CONNECTIVITY
Input: Video 1 x RCA (Yellow), 1 x Component Video
Input: Computer 1 x D-sub 15-pin (RGB)
Input: Digital 2 x HDMI
Input: Control 1 x RS232c, 1 x Trigger Out
ADVANCED FEATURES
WirelessHD Yes
Super Resolution Yes
3D Formats Top-and-Bottom, Side-by-Side, Frame Packaging
2D to 3D Conversion Yes
THX Certification Yes
ISF Certification Yes
Split Screen Yes
Direct Power On Yes
Security
Kensington®-style lock provision
Colour Modes Dynamic, Living room, Natural, THX, Cinema, 3D Dynamic, 3D Cinema, 3D THX
GENERAL
Dimensions H x D x W 140 x 395 x 466 mm
Weight 8.6kg
Lamp Warranty 3 Years
Projector Warranty 3 Years
Power Consumption: Lamp on 340W
Power Consumption: Standby 0.39W
Noise Level Normal/Eco: 32dB
Edited by Two Cents - 2/8/13 at 5:53pm

It says the warranty is 3 years, so yes, you have the pro model (6020)

Awesome. Thanks for the help.

Wow. Setting it up wirelessly is proving a nightmare. Can either get audio or video. Not both at the same time apparently. Think I'll buy a longer HDMI cabel instead.

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Thanks programmergeek, Epson, Darby and Screen Innovations for the hours of enjoyment ahead of me!

That seems like an awful lot of gain for that screen size. I have a 100" coat of Behr Silverscreen on my wall, which is about .90 gain and ECO mode is perfect for movie viewing with my 6010.

As Dick Vitale might say "It's a 110" plasma Baby!!!"

Who is this AVS programmergeek?

An authorized dealer of Epson, SI, URC and may others who is a Gold member here on AVS- programmergeek is his sceen name here. PM him if you have any questions.

I finally got my 9100/6020 installed to my satisfaction last night & watched a few bits & pieces of movies. Had a look at how DVD's looked as they looked shocking on my old projector & had a play around with 2D to 3D as 3D is a new thing for my household & it was fantastic & couldn't be happier. Had no problems aside from the wireless does not like my receiver.

Tonight I came home from work & decided I'd start a new game of Fallout 3 as I thought it would look pretty cool on the new set up.

I had it in Living Room mode as ambient light is a bit of a problem in my cave, & about half an hour in I get the "Projector is overheating" warning.

I switched it off & let it cool & went again & same thing.

Obviously only installed yesterday, it has zero hours on the lamp, & the air filter is spotless.

I don't really want to contact Epson at this stage, as I figure you guys here are owner/users & I'd prefer hands on advice from people who know the model. Not someone in a call center, behind a desk.

Cheers in advance for any advice you could offer.

Stressed to say the least.
Edited by Two Cents - 2/12/13 at 1:06am

I don't have personal experience, but from all I've read, I've NEVER heard a bad word about Epson's CS. Call them up, describe the problem, and I'll bet you a bag of cats they'll send you a replacement with no questions.

Not sure how you would get your projector fixed without contacting Epson. Not sure where you live, but Epson customer service in US is great.

Epson is great with warntees just call the dealer you got it from he should swap it out. It is not a common problem. If you want to call Epson themselfs have your SR# handy, the dealer name you bought it from and a CC and they will send you an advance replacement and just swap it out. Couldn't be easer.

The problem is, the refurbished replacements usually have pretty bad convergence. But it may be the only way to get it fixed, although I have heard of an option where they'll fix your projector instead. Or you could just ask them to send you a new one, that might work too...
Edited by lexlynx - 2/12/13 at 9:21am

If you have < 2 hours on the lamp, I would think they would send you an new one and not a refurbished. ask for level 2 support if needed.

I've contacted the guy I bought it off so I will see how it goes.

He has a proper AV shop in the next state, but I bought it through his Ebay shop online.

I'm in Australia & calling Epson CS here means your call is going to be answered by an operator in India.

Very frustrating,.

PT-AE8000U vs Epson 5020UB: Hands-On Experience

Hi All. Recently tried out both the Epson 5020UB and the Panasonic PT-AE8000U and thought my experience could be helpful to others. Also just wanted to contribute back a little since I used a lot of this forum's posts to help me through the buying process.

This winter I decided it was time to upgrade from my 2006-vintage Optoma HD72 (720p 1-chip DLP). I had read some really good reviews of the AE4000 a few years ago and had it stuck in my head that I would just get the latest Panasonic when I upgraded. So, I picked up an AE8000, which would project onto a new 110" 1.0 gain fixed screen in my family room.

AE8000 First Try

• I think it goes without saying that it blew the HD72 out of the water (1080p, 3D, brightness, color saturation). Was a little surprised, though, by the size of 3LCD pj's, the HD72 was only 7lbs.
• Unfortunately, the Panny's focus uniformity was terrible. I could never get the upper right corner of the image to focus together with the rest of the image. It was more than just a little soft in that corner, it was straight up blurry. Convergence also seemed a bit dodgy, but not horrendous.
• Color uniformity was not good. On a grey or white test pattern, there was a pronounced red to green tinted gradient from upper left to lower right. This is not something that I noticed with normal content without specifically looking for it, but it was disconcerting to know that there was an underlying color problem.
• After a couple of weeks, I noticed 3 faint blue splotches when the image was dark. Maybe these were dust particles trapped in the light path somewhere.

Although I was having a lot of fun with it, I finally decided I must have a defective unit and returned it. I also read some reviews of the Epson which suggested it might have better optics, so decided to give it a try.

5020UB Gets a Shot

• This didn't start well. Out of the box, the Epson powered up but then just sat there. No picture via HDMI, couldn't even bring up the menu using the remote or on-board buttons. I thought it was DOA. Once I unplugged HDMI, I could get the menu to come up, but as soon as I plugged it back in, the projector would stop responding to input. After poking around the menus for an hour I finally discovered the culprit was the HDMI-Link feature. After turning it off, the projector functioned normally. With HDMI-Link turned on, though, the pj was basically a brick. Unfortunately, this is a feature that I use and it worked great on the Panny. Seems like a firmware bug, but I couldn't find a lot of other reports of this problem. Could be other people just assumed their unit was DOA and didn't investigate further.
• The optics were fantastic. Focus uniformity was virtually perfect, and color uniformity looked almost perfect as well. Seeing the 5020's picture just confirmed that something was seriously wrong with the AE8000U unit that I had.
• The screen door effect was a lot more noticeable on the Epson than on the Panasonic, though. Reminded me a little of when Phantom Menace first came out in theaters with digital projection.
• The motorized lens cover was pretty cool, but the lens shift controls were terrible. The dials' action had a ton of slack before they actually started moving the picture, and one dial would drag the other unless you held it in place. Basically you can't legitimately call one horizontal and the other vertical, because one doesn't stay in place while you're adjusting the other. Maybe I had a bad unit, but I much preferred the Panny's lockable joystick.
• Put this in the category of features you don't value until you lose them, but having motorized remote-controlled focus/zoom control on the Panny was really nice. The Epson doesn't have this.
• NOISE. I didn't realize how quiet the Panny was until I tried the Epson. The noise on the 5020 was just intolerable for me. Loud scenes with explosions or music would mask it, but any quiet scene with dialogue would be totally spoiled for me by the noise. Switching the lamp to eco mode made it acceptably quiet, but why do I want to run the projector in a gimped mode?

The HDMI-Link issue aside, I thought the Epson's picture looked great, but the noise was a complete deal-breaker. I just wouldn't be able to enjoy the viewing experience, but YMMV. I decided to roll the dice and try another AE8000U.

AE8000U Part Deux

• Projector People sent me another AE8000U, and this time they told me they would, with my permission, quality check the unit before sending it out.
• Whatever they did, it worked. This new unit had great focus uniformity. Was able to focus the entire picture very well.
• Grey/white test patterns still showed a bit of red/green gradient, but significantly improved from that first unit. Still not as good as the Epson, but well within what seems acceptable for this price range.
• If I stand within inches of the screen, I pick up a little blue fringing on convergence test patterns. But, white lines and pixels are sharp and clearly white, so I don't think it's a problem with actual pixel misalignment, but perhaps less than completely perfect optics or lens elements. Further than a foot away, though, this was invisible.
• Overall, unless I was looking at test patterns, the picture looked every bit as good as the Epson, and maybe better because of the reduced screen door effect.
• noise. Fortunately, the quietness of that first Panny unit wasn't a fluke. This new one was just as quiet, and a welcome relief from the Epson. I realized it wasn't just the volume, but the character of the fan noise that was different, and much more annoying on the Epson.

Bottom Line

• Picture: comparing the Epson to the good Panny unit, I think I would have been very happy with the picture from either one. They were both really good. Epson might have slightly better optics, but that could easily vary between units. Panny has the better screen door (non)-effect.
• I don't know if the Epson's HDMI-Link problem was just that unit, or more endemic, but the Panny's equivalent (Viera-Link) worked great with my Sony audio receiver, and means I can use just one remote (DirecTV) instead of three to turn my whole setup on and off, just as convenient as a standalone TV.
• There's no comparison on the noise. I suppose it depends on your install location, but even standing 8-10 feet from the Epson, it was still bothersome to me.
• I ultimately decided to keep the Panasonic, and am very happy with the purchase now. The noise issue in particular was the deciding factor, and overcame the advantages the Epson had in terms of better warranty/exchange policy, as well as the bundled 3D glasses without the rebate hassle. I realize noise is subjective, though, and it might be fine for other people. Honestly, if I didn't mind the noise, or if my install was arranged in a way that mitigated the sound, I probably would have kept the Epson.

Also, I highly recommend Projector People, they treated me very well. Hope this is useful for you guys!

If you don't press any button options when phoning Epson and just hold on you usually will go through to Epson Australia and then ask for service section.

Cheers for that. I didn't see it before I talked to the India call center, but to their credit, the India call center was awesome & handled it well. My phone company could learn a thing or two.

Anyway Epson are coming to the party & this minor setback should be solved reasonably quickly.

All's well that ends well.

hey, I really appreciate your input here Xank, a big help in my decision.

As long as nothing unexpected happens, I'll be buying a 6020 within the next 4 weeks.

This has been too long in the planning.

np. what did you decide?

That was an excellent write up Xank, but one thing I'd mention is that in ECO mode, the fan noise should be almost whisper quiet on the Epson, maybe not as quiet as a newer JVC, but my Dish DVR fan might be louder than my Epson 6010. This at about 4' above my head. Now in dynamic mode/3D, it will get a little loud, and I could see that being an issue for someone, if the placement required the higher brightness. Btw, I am running mine in high altitude mode as required, and with the brightness it puts out in eco mode, on a 126" 1.3 gain screen from 14', the noise is pretty much a non-factor, only being slightly heard when there is no audio on in the room.

I did just have a potential buyer over to check it out, and I made a point for him to notice the fan ramping up when it goes into 3D mode. He mentioned it was still quieter than his current older model Sharp. We watched some material with some ambient light, (60w bulb on app 14' away from the screen), and even with 1300 hrs on my bulb, in eco mode, he mentioned how much better the brightness is vs his older pj, saying that amount of light would never work in his current setup. The pj is very watchable with some ambient light. Oh, and he was sold on the Darbee. Eco mode should work out well for most people, and allow someone to run it with the quieter fan mode. Anyway, I've rambled on. Thanks for the write up sir.

Glad it was helpful. I did try ECO mode on the 5020, and yes, it was about as quiet as the Panny in regular. But the picture looked better with the lamp on NORMAL, and I knew I wouldn't be happy sacrificing PQ for noise. Any way, I wish I was less noise sensitive but I'm not, but glad it works for others.

Agree, Darbee is awesome.

double post..
Edited by silma - 3/8/13 at 10:28am

Hello

I have epson tw9100w (6020?) and i have started to get annoyed about focus problem.. left side of the screen is allmost perfect but from centerline to right side about 50-70cm area i cant get it to focus and you can see it is blurry.

i have measured that projector and screen are aligned together and im using vertical shift only couple centimeters. Without lcd alignment blue is shifted 1-2 pixels to left when you look at horizontal pixel test picture.

Also left side of the screen has red hue with with background :/

lamp hours 97h and im shooting from about 3.3m and screen is 108" so im allmost in full zoom.

left side with horizontal test pic



right side with same pic, lines are about 3-4 pixels wide?!



picture of menu without lcd alignment



menu with lcd alignment, leftside of menu is sharp but i cant get it focused in right side. Text is blurry.


Edited by silma - 3/8/13 at 4:20am