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post #211 of 373
1/4/13 at 6:25pm
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Haven't had a chance to watch the US version - but the first two series (only 3 eps per series...) were very watchable. Some were amazing, some were just very good.

This show started out good - now it is great! I love the direction it's going with introducing new characters which may or may not be old nemesis (?) further deepening the back story.biggrin.gif

I don't usually watch the preview of the next show but think I got a glimpse of Vinny Jones as the nemesis from the past?
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post #212 of 373
1/4/13 at 7:59pm
I felt that this was one of the best episodes to date.
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post #213 of 373
1/4/13 at 8:04pm
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I felt that this was one of the best episodes to date.

Just curious, you thought the "Russian" spy thing was plausible? Personally thought it a bit of a throwback to the commie paranoid thing. More likely privateers these days or different areas of the world than Russia....IMHO.
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post #214 of 373
1/5/13 at 8:06am
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Haven't had a chance to watch the US version - but the first two series (only 3 eps per series...) were very watchable. Some were amazing, some were just very good.

Try Elementary whey you get a chance, I think you'll like it. Although I have the BDs of both Series 1 and 2 of Sherlock and thoroughly enjoyed both seasons, I have loved Jonny Lee Miller as Holmes in the US series. Miller does a great job, as has the wonderful Benedict Cumberbatch, of portraying Holmes patented combination of brilliance, weirdness, and charm. Highly recommended. Lucy Liu is also a wonder as Holmes' caretaker who was hired by Holmes' father to ensure that Holmes doesn't have a relapse into drug abuse. Miller and Liu have great chemistry together and Liu may be the best looking 44 year old woman in the universe.smile.gif
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post #215 of 373
1/5/13 at 1:33pm
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Haven't had a chance to watch the US version - but the first two series (only 3 eps per series...) were very watchable. Some were amazing, some were just very good.

Try Elementary whey you get a chance, I think you'll like it. Although I have the BDs of both Series 1 and 2 of Sherlock and thoroughly enjoyed both seasons, I have loved Jonny Lee Miller as Holmes in the US series. Miller does a great job, as has the wonderful Benedict Cumberbatch, of portraying Holmes patented combination of brilliance, weirdness, and charm. Highly recommended. Lucy Liu is also a wonder as Holmes' caretaker who was hired by Holmes' father to ensure that Holmes doesn't have a relapse into drug abuse. Miller and Liu have great chemistry together and Liu may be the best looking 44 year old woman in the universe.smile.gif

What does that make the 50 year-old Demi Moore?
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post #216 of 373
1/5/13 at 2:16pm
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What does that make the 50 year-old Demi Moore?

Not 44 by six years. Great use of silicon tho.
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post #217 of 373
1/5/13 at 6:03pm
I wouldn't kick either out of bed...
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post #218 of 373
1/5/13 at 6:37pm
We have watched and enjoyed the show since the first one. HOWEVER - what drives us crazy is the bad audio. The audio is not clear - and the accents don't make it easier. We often have to use the 15 second rewind to replay a scene where the spoken words were simply not clear. This scenario doesn't happen on any other show on TV.
It is so annoying we are thinking of using the subtitles option - which isn't easy to turn on with the Comcast DVR box.

We are mainly waiting for return of the better BBC Holmes series this spring. Better all around.
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post #219 of 373
1/5/13 at 7:10pm
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We have watched and enjoyed the show since the first one. HOWEVER - what drives us crazy is the bad audio. The audio is not clear - and the accents don't make it easier. We often have to use the 15 second rewind to replay a scene where the spoken words were simply not clear. This scenario doesn't happen on any other show on TV.
It is so annoying we are thinking of using the subtitles option - which isn't easy to turn on with the Comcast DVR box.
We are mainly waiting for return of the better BBC Holmes series this spring. Better all around.
It might be the fact that KPIX(CBS-SF) audio is garbage. They seem to adhere to the "everything needs to be loud" HDTV audio setting. Put simply, it's crap with out any discernible dynamic range and any attempts to get KPIX to fix the problem have fallen on deaf ears, apparently they just don't give a crap. This has been discussed quite often in the local SF Comcast thread. By far the worst sounding audio from a major net in the market, and they're a CBS owned and operated which makes me wonder what other market's CBS O&O stations sound like.
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post #220 of 373
1/6/13 at 5:39am
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.... the problem have fallen on deaf ears, apparently they just don't give a crap.
"deaf ears" biggrin.gif sounds like that may be the case.....wink.gif
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which makes me wonder what other market's CBS O&O stations sound like.
In my market CBS is O&O and I'm happy to report the audio is just fine, watch Sherlock and lots of other CBS programming and really never have a issue. I do occasionally use subtitles with a program like Doc Martin and Call The Midwife(both PBS) where the English accent can be quite thick. Luckily CCs are quite easy to activate with my Tivo, just a couple button pushes to turn ON or OFF.
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post #221 of 373
1/6/13 at 8:23am
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We have watched and enjoyed the show since the first one. HOWEVER - what drives us crazy is the bad audio. The audio is not clear - and the accents don't make it easier. We often have to use the 15 second rewind to replay a scene where the spoken words were simply not clear. This scenario doesn't happen on any other show on TV.
It is so annoying we are thinking of using the subtitles option - which isn't easy to turn on with the Comcast DVR box.
We are mainly waiting for return of the better BBC Holmes series this spring. Better all around.

+1 all around. This and Masterpiece on PBS are the only shows I use subtitles for.
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post #222 of 373
1/6/13 at 8:25am
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It might be the fact that KPIX(CBS-SF) audio is garbage. They seem to adhere to the "everything needs to be loud" HDTV audio setting. Put simply, it's crap with out any discernible dynamic range and any attempts to get KPIX to fix the problem have fallen on deaf ears, apparently they just don't give a crap. This has been discussed quite often in the local SF Comcast thread. By far the worst sounding audio from a major net in the market, and they're a CBS owned and operated which makes me wonder what other market's CBS O&O stations sound like.

Fortunately CBS's OKC affiliate, KWTV, does a pretty good job with audio, as do the NBC, ABC, and Fox affiliates. For a long tine the local ABC affiliate, KOCO, put extra boost into the center channel portion of 5.1 network telecasts but has now stopped doing it. Thank God!
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post #223 of 373
1/6/13 at 8:31am
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It is so annoying we are thinking of using the subtitles option - which isn't easy to turn on with the Comcast DVR box.
On a side note, Comcast has recently released or is releasing (we got it about a month ago) an update to their boxes that helps address the access to Closed Captioning.

With the update if you hit Menu on the remote twice, then select Setup > Closed Captioning Setup, you can toggle closed captioning on and off from there.
No more shutting the box off and associated bs.
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post #224 of 373
1/7/13 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by snidely View Post

We have watched and enjoyed the show since the first one. HOWEVER - what drives us crazy is the bad audio. The audio is not clear - and the accents don't make it easier. We often have to use the 15 second rewind to replay a scene where the spoken words were simply not clear. This scenario doesn't happen on any other show on TV.
It is so annoying we are thinking of using the subtitles option - which isn't easy to turn on with the Comcast DVR box.

We are mainly waiting for return of the better BBC Holmes series this spring. Better all around.

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Originally Posted by snidely View Post

We have watched and enjoyed the show since the first one. HOWEVER - what drives us crazy is the bad audio. The audio is not clear - and the accents don't make it easier. We often have to use the 15 second rewind to replay a scene where the spoken words were simply not clear. This scenario doesn't happen on any other show on TV.
It is so annoying we are thinking of using the subtitles option - which isn't easy to turn on with the Comcast DVR box.
We are mainly waiting for return of the better BBC Holmes series this spring. Better all around.
It might be the fact that KPIX(CBS-SF) audio is garbage. They seem to adhere to the "everything needs to be loud" HDTV audio setting. Put simply, it's crap with out any discernible dynamic range and any attempts to get KPIX to fix the problem have fallen on deaf ears, apparently they just don't give a crap. This has been discussed quite often in the local SF Comcast thread. By far the worst sounding audio from a major net in the market, and they're a CBS owned and operated which makes me wonder what other market's CBS O&O stations sound like.

I actually get quite good sound from KPIX via DirecTV. I watch several shows on KPIX regularly and have not noticed audio issues with any of them. Perhaps it's Comcast.
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post #225 of 373
1/7/13 at 9:18am
We DVR about 97% of our TV, so I hadn't watched until this weekend. This is probably one of our favorite shows. The whole Russian spy thing was a little far fetched, but still was a fun episode. cool.gif
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post #226 of 373
1/11/13 at 7:50am
Last night's episode may have been the best one of the series so far. I did not see THAT coming...
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post #227 of 373
1/11/13 at 7:57am
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Last night's episode may have been the best one of the series so far. I did not see THAT coming...

Which part didn't you see coming? M or Watson?
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post #228 of 373
1/11/13 at 10:49am
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Which part didn't you see coming? M or Watson?
Oh, I knew Watson would stay with him. I just didn't see "M" not really being "M" (Moriarty). However, I did think it strange that he would catch Moriarty in one show since none of the previous Holmes' have been able to. I hope we don't morph into another "Red John" chase for the next several years like the Mentalist.
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post #229 of 373
1/11/13 at 10:50am
I know one thing, I sure as hell wouldn't try to take down Vinnie Jones with a baton. eek.gif
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post #230 of 373
1/11/13 at 1:43pm
Is anyone else thinking that Moriarty will be Holmes' father. Or am I completely wrong?
In fact in the email that Watson got at the end, wasn't there a "M" for his first initial. Granted i only got a quick glance at the To and From.
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post #231 of 373
1/11/13 at 2:13pm
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Is anyone else thinking that Moriarty will be Holmes' father. Or am I completely wrong?
In fact in the email that Watson got at the end, wasn't there a "M" for his first initial. Granted i only got a quick glance at the To and From.

I doubt this very much. Doyle wrote that Sebastian Moran was Moriarty's second-in-command, and a foe for Holmes after he kills Moriarty. I doubt Moriarty is Holmes' father, BUT I think it's very possible that Moriarty hired Watson telling her that he was Holmes' father. That means that his father really has nothing to do with Watson being there, and that she was specifically chosen by Moriarty for his purposes. THAT I could accept.
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post #232 of 373
1/11/13 at 7:01pm
As a TV episode, this may have been the best one of the series. However, it also strayed the farthest from the Holmes canon. Holmes is hyper-rational, never emotional. Even with Irene Adler he kept his emotions bottled up. Good story, just not Holmes.
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post #233 of 373
1/12/13 at 4:26am
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I doubt this very much. Doyle wrote that Sebastian Moran was Moriarty's second-in-command, and a foe for Holmes after he kills Moriarty. I doubt Moriarty is Holmes' father, BUT I think it's very possible that Moriarty hired Watson telling her that he was Holmes' father. That means that his father really has nothing to do with Watson being there, and that she was specifically chosen by Moriarty for his purposes. THAT I could accept.
Great theory and very plausible.
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post #234 of 373
1/12/13 at 7:47am
Where's Mycroft?
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post #235 of 373
1/12/13 at 8:43am
I continue to love Elementary. After seeing Benedict Cumberbatch's version of Holmes, in the BBC series, Sherlock, I would not have believed that another modern take on the Sherlock Holmes legend could be anywhere near as much fun. Elementary has done it, though, thanks to the combination of weirdness and quirky charm provided by Jonny Lee Miller as Holmes and Lucy Liu as his trusted sidekick and caretaker, Dr. Watson.

Just learned the other day that Cumberbatch and Miller are good friends. Who knew?smile.gif
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post #236 of 373
1/13/13 at 1:56am
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Is anyone else thinking that Moriarty will be Holmes' father.

That thought crossed my mind as well ... probably too obvious though ...

Church Dude might be on to something there.
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post #237 of 373
1/14/13 at 7:59am
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That thought crossed my mind as well ... probably too obvious though ...

Church Dude might be on to something there.

My thoughts too. I'm leaning towards Church Dude's theory smile.gif
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post #238 of 373
1/15/13 at 5:22pm
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I doubt this very much. Doyle wrote that Sebastian Moran was Moriarty's second-in-command, and a foe for Holmes after he kills Moriarty. I doubt Moriarty is Holmes' father, BUT I think it's very possible that Moriarty hired Watson telling her that he was Holmes' father. That means that his father really has nothing to do with Watson being there, and that she was specifically chosen by Moriarty for his purposes. THAT I could accept.

Cool idea - I like it!
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post #239 of 373
1/18/13 at 2:05pm
Indeed that is a great idea and one that makes more sense, especially with the extra knowledge of the Holmes' mythos.
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post #240 of 373
1/18/13 at 6:42pm
Well I'm late to the party this week but great last episode! Others in my household also thought M was indeed Holmes father but after reading "church dude's" biggrin.gif theory I could also see that as being the case. This show keeps getting better!
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