Elementary - New Sherlock Holmes on CBS - Page 2

Originally Posted by Matt L 

For me it was a very solid "Meh". No season pass, I might tune in if bored and not in the mood for anything I have DVRd, but that is unlikely. Holmes came off as a hyperactive child, I did not buy Miller as Holmes for an instant. Hate the tats, actors should really think 4 times before doing that to themselves, big turn off for me.
I have to agree about the BBC production, it does not get better than that. Can't wait to see how they come back from the ending.

Originally Posted by BoilerJim 

I'd watch anything Lucy Liu is in. I've liked her ever since Ally McBeal.

Originally Posted by mrvideo 

The pilot runs about 45:30 and what CBS aired runs about 43:30.

Idiots. The better plan would have been to scrap two minutes worth of promos, or commercials, or a mixture thereof.

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives 

Was anybody else annoyed by his inconsistent diction? Holmes went from using "shoddy" and "bollocks"

to using "cell phone" repeatedly. The writers need to make up their minds as to whether he's going to use British or American English.

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives 

Was anybody else annoyed by his inconsistent diction? Holmes went from using "shoddy" and "bollocks" to using "cell phone" repeatedly. The writers need to make up their minds as to whether he's going to use British or American English.

Originally Posted by flint350 

I'm in the "meh" category as well.  Some of the deductions were interesting, but boy did they go over the top with that ending.  When he briefly glances at the baseball stats and predicts not only the outcome, but exactly the type of hits, in sequence, that result - well, I have now deduced that this is a potential de-dud.

Originally Posted by lovinthehd 

Hmmm. Seems to me I've seen plenty of ball games end similarly. Altho the batter didn't pop up as predicted (long fly to the wall). Wonder if statistically that was a good prediction in any case. I liked the show, but it's a tv show so don't expect a whole lot in the first place. I, too, will watch anything Lucy Liu is in.

Originally Posted by gwsat 


As noted in an earlier post, I thought Elementary got off to a great start. My caveat about Sherlock's seemingly magical ability to predict how the last three outs of a baseball game will be made stands, though. It was simply preposterous. No game has possibilities that are more varied than baseball's. The wonder to me would be that a man as brilliant and ego driven as Holmes would predict with a straight face something that he couldn't possible intuit in advance of the inning being played.

Originally Posted by dattier 

But you know that that would never happen, Mr. V.

Originally Posted by lovinthehd 

No game has possibilities more varied than baseball? Puhleese. It is fairly predictable, it's that very statistical analysis that makes it so, that's what managers manage from in many cases. If Holmes spent as much time with the inmates watching tv games as he said perhaps he was intimately familiar with the teams/players and made some good percentage predictions, after all he didn't get the pop up right. Not making too many excuses for the show's writing, and I do hope they don't have the character doing something like this...too often .

Originally Posted by gwsat 


Statistical analysis has its place certainly but it can only suggest probabilities, not the certainties that Holmes predicted. If I may be allowed a quibble, Holmes said the Mets batter who made the first out would "pop up to center." Actually, he hit a deep fly ball that was caught at the center field wall. That wouldn't be a "pop up" in any ballgame I have ever seen. I give Homes credit for accurately intuiting that the tendencies of the batter who hit after the intentional walk and the pitcher pitching to him shifted the probabilities in favor of the batter hitting a ground ball. But Holmes flat prediction that a ground ball would result in a double play seemed to me to unreasonably risk his reputation. My apologies for continuing this interesting to me, but possibly boring to a lot of viewers, Inside Baseball discussion. I'm starting to feel like Bill James here -- or at least like Billy Beane.

Originally Posted by lovinthehd 

Uh, if you would be allowed a quibble? I pointed out twice already that it wasn't a pop up...
In any case, I'm just saying that Doyle's Holmes' methodology was along the lines of educated guesses, sometimes for past events, sometimes for future events. Baseball is a much more predictable sport than many IMHO and it's tendencies/statistics are readily available. Holmes does have a smart phone after all and has already shown that sometimes you just need to google . Baseball is boring to many, but I still like it....go Giants!

Originally Posted by lonwolf615 


Uh, no. All sabremetrics discussion is based on long term results, over a season at least. NOONE would ever dare predict the outcome of one at bat with any certainity. There are way too many variables.

Originally Posted by lovinthehd 

Uh, if you would be allowed a quibble? I pointed out twice already that it wasn't a pop up...
In any case, I'm just saying that Doyle's Holmes' methodology was along the lines of educated guesses, sometimes for past events, sometimes for future events. Baseball is a much more predictable sport than many IMHO and it's tendencies/statistics are readily available. Holmes does have a smart phone after all and has already shown that sometimes you just need to google . Baseball is boring to many, but I still like it....go Giants!

Originally Posted by lonwolf615 

Uh, no. All sabremetrics discussion is based on long term results, over a season at least. NOONE would ever dare predict the outcome of one at bat with any certainity. There are way too many variables.

Originally Posted by gwsat 


We have to disagree. I still find Holmes' prediction of the end of the game to have been such a long shot to be right that to contemplate even someone as brilliant as Holmes both making such a prediction and being right about it to be utterly preposterous. So we disagree? So what, this is AVS so it happens, frequently.

I have followed baseball since I was a kid. In fact, when I was a child I used to keep a scorecard of games broadcast on the radio. But baseball lost its hold on my emotions a long time ago. I still understand the strategies and follow the standings and statistics but it's purely an intellectual exercise for me these days. The games are too long and, thanks to the many pitching changes and pinch hitters, too much of that time is taken up by uninteresting stuff. In stark contrast, my grandson, like you, still loves the game. Good for both of you. I'm sorry that the game doesn't interest me anymore but there it is.

Originally Posted by 73shark 

Maybe it's just my old age hearing, but I thought most of his dialogue was muddy at best. Had to listen really close at times to understand it.

Originally Posted by flint350 

I'm in the "meh" category as well.  Some of the deductions were interesting, but boy did they go over the top with that ending.  When he briefly glances at the baseball stats and predicts not only the outcome, but exactly the type of hits, in sequence, that result - well, I have now deduced that this is a potential de-dud.

Originally Posted by daryl zero 


I with the meh group. I thought they would have the kicker on this point that the game was tape delayed slightly. Otherwise, it was silly and needless. The biggest problem with the whole Sherlock Holmes idea is that the deductions are over the top and only a product of the writer's hindsight. That's kinda true for almost all mysteries though. Not every little thing has to be clear to deduction. Let Holmes investigate some of those drug killings where someone walks behind another and puts a bullet in his brain. Most murders are usually either obvious or there isn't any evidence. The whole idea that you can manipulate someone else into murder is pretty far-fetched anyhow.

Originally Posted by flint350 

Monk is an apt analogy.  I prefer Monk to this although that's based on only 1 episode.  Where Monk was generally very clever, this (esp. the baseball ending) was just supernatural guesswork called deduction.

Originally Posted by 73shark 

Maybe it's just my old age hearing, but I thought most of his dialogue was muddy at best. Had to listen really close at times to understand it.

Originally Posted by BoilerJim 

I think it was the British accent. Neither my wife nor I have hearing problems, but I could understand him just fine and she couldn't. Amazing since she watches a lot of British TV shows & movies.

Originally Posted by Aleron Ives 

There is more than one British accent, of course. I can understand Benedict Cumberbatch, but I've had trouble with actors in other UK series.