or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › Doctor Who Season 7 Premiere on BBC America
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Doctor Who Season 7 Premiere on BBC America - Page 8

post #211 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

And at the same time it's catering to a younger generation for better or worse. I've been throwing this article around a lot lately and I feel it applies.
http://michaeldstark.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/cultural-indictment-the-new-star-trek/

fair to say that Doctor Who is the British version of Star Trek?

Star Trek Doctor Who used to be about enlightenment, progress, collaboration, and intelligence.

Now, Star Trek Doctor Who is about fun and games.

And sex.

And action.

And prolonged adolescence.

Eccleston and Piper made the show easy to get into. I was surprised that they changed Doctor's so quickly because I really loved Eccleston's contrasting "I'm cool sh*t" yet at the same time self deprecating style. (Cassandra, Are you my mommy)

Tennant was the reason that I became a Whovian and his admiration and appreciation in the human race and well the stories and his acting was just so good.

Matt Smith, while no David Tennant, is still pretty good. He made dorky and ADD look cool.

John Hurt? Who(a) - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/23/doctor-who-john-hurt-50th-anniversary-show_n_3324473.html
Edited by mikeloxlong - 6/6/13 at 12:01pm
post #212 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

I think Matt Smith is fine as the Doctor... I think he has been hampered by weak plots/scripts... I hate to see him go... was actually hoping to see Moffat step down instead... but now we'll get to see another actor try to carry the show that is less about the Doctor and more about the companions since Moffat took over.

I am a bit confused, though... as Matt Smith had been publicly denying rumors that he had quit for months... he had been speaking about series 8 for a while... so I wonder if something happened to recently/suddenly change his mind.

I totally agree. Matt was a great Doctor. It is a toss-up between him and Tennant as to who is my favorite. I also cannot understand why the abrupt leave??? He has been talking about the next series for some time now, all reports stated he was excited about continuing with the show. Something must have happened.....
post #213 of 351
Quote:
Eccleston and Piper made the show easy to get into. I was surprised that they changed Doctor's so quickly because I really loved Eccleston's contrasting "I'm cool sh*t" yet at the same time self deprecating style. (Cassandra, Are you my mommy)

I believe Eccleston told the production company from the start that he was willing to do one season only. They accepted that.
post #214 of 351
Having no experience with the original Doctors other than a few Tom Baker episodes, I've been following the BBCA monthly specials. As further proof I'm always out of step, I liked the Davison one the best so far. Not so much because of him, though I did almost instantly accept him as the Doctor. (something that I can't say for all of the actors I've seen play the role) Its more the writing and production values seem to have been upgraded by the time of the 5th Doctor. Granted that only seeing one episode of each Doctor, my sample size is fairly limited. smile.gif

The first Doctor I saw the entire run for is Eccleston. Going by what was posted earlier he should be my favorite. He isn't. Tennant is # ! in my book. For me he captured the many and often self contradictory sides of the Doctor- goofy, smart, silly, serious, sometimes menacing if not downright dangerous...and made them all part of one very nuanced and complex character. Plus, he was extremely likeable. The gamut of different emotions he could pull off, ofter with several in the same scene, was jaw dropping good. I'm not saying he's the best Doctor, I'm not familiar enough with the whole run to make that kind of choice. But what I will say is his performance thoughout his run is one of the most entertaining things I've ever seen on tv.
post #215 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Having no experience with the original Doctors other than a few Tom Baker episodes, I've been following the BBCA monthly specials. As further proof I'm always out of step, I liked the Davison one the best so far. Not so much because of him, though I did almost instantly accept him as the Doctor. (something that I can't say for all of the actors I've seen play the role) Its more the writing and production values seem to have been upgraded by the time of the 5th Doctor. Granted that only seeing one episode of each Doctor, my sample size is fairly limited. smile.gif

The first Doctor I saw the entire run for is Eccleston. Going by what was posted earlier he should be my favorite. He isn't. Tennant is # ! in my book. For me he captured the many and often self contradictory sides of the Doctor- goofy, smart, silly, serious, sometimes menacing if not downright dangerous...and made them all part of one very nuanced and complex character. Plus, he was extremely likeable. The gamut of different emotions he could pull off, ofter with several in the same scene, was jaw dropping good. I'm not saying he's the best Doctor, I'm not familiar enough with the whole run to make that kind of choice. But what I will say is his performance thoughout his run is one of the most entertaining things I've ever seen on tv.
Baker was like Tennant and Eccleston.
post #216 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

I believe Eccleston told the production company from the start that he was willing to do one season only. They accepted that.

Yes - though Doctor Who is not made by a production company, it's made by the BBC in-house. (In the UK "production company" would mean an independent production company - like Kudos, Shine, Endemol etc. rather than an in-house production arm like BBC Television (formerly BBC Vision), ITV Studios etc. Particularly relevant in the UK where the BBC is not a company.

You are absolutely right though - the decision to leave after one series was made by Eccleston, to avoid being typecast, and not by the BBC. Eccleston is also, apparently, not returning for the 50th anniversary show. (Just as Tom Baker didn't for the 20th anniversary "The Five Doctors" - though footage from the un-finished "Shada" was written in to make it appear as if he had!)
post #217 of 351
I'd love to be a #hashtag super fan and know all those details.
post #218 of 351
I enjoyed Eccleston's version of the Doctor so much that it took me over a full season to start liking Tennant. While I still think Eccleston had the potential to be the best of the reboot Doctors, I think Tennant did a wonderful job playing the part, I thoroughly enjoyed his episodes, and I wish he'd stuck around longer. He seems to be the Tom Baker for my kid's generation.

While Matt Smith has the quirkiness and uniqueness required of a good Doctor and I think he takes the part very seriously and puts everything into it, I personally rank him behind both Eccleston and Tennant. Mostly because of the darker tone and sometimes off-putting nature of his Doctor. But then, that could be due to the writing or direction and in no way the fault of the actor himself.

Comparing these Doctors is like comparing my children; while I might say "this one is better at this" and "that one is better at that", I love them all. smile.gif
post #219 of 351
The confusion around Eccleston isn't so much about whether it was his choice or not to only do one season... but on whether or not that was always the plan.

The way the BBC seemed to spin it was as if that was always the plan... and they always were going to get another Doctor after the 1st series... but that really isn't too logical. IF Eccleston drew in the fans, then leaves, those fans might go away with the new Doctor... so why would you risk that?

I think it is more likely that Eccleston decided to leave after one series BUT that it was a surprise to the BBC when he told them that... and then they scrambled to make it seem like it was "the plan" all along.
post #220 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

The confusion around Eccleston isn't so much about whether it was his choice or not to only do one season... but on whether or not that was always the plan.

The way the BBC seemed to spin it was as if that was always the plan... and they always were going to get another Doctor after the 1st series... but that really isn't too logical. IF Eccleston drew in the fans, then leaves, those fans might go away with the new Doctor... so why would you risk that?

I think it is more likely that Eccleston decided to leave after one series BUT that it was a surprise to the BBC when he told them that... and then they scrambled to make it seem like it was "the plan" all along.

Are you just speculating or do you have some documentation to back this idea up? I ask, because I distinctly remember that before production of the first series had begun, it had already been known and publicized that Eccleston was only going to do the one series. What I asked myself at the time was, why they went with him knowing ahead of time that he was only willing to sign on for a single series.
post #221 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

Are you just speculating or do you have some documentation to back this idea up? I ask, because I distinctly remember that before production of the first series had begun, it had already been known and publicized that Eccleston was only going to do the one series. What I asked myself at the time was, why they went with him knowing ahead of time that he was only willing to sign on for a single series.

Here's a couple of links (to the same interview in different formats) which claim to be an account from Christopher Eccleston that he had problems on the show and decided to leave... initially they tried to blame it on him not wanting to be typecast or being "tired" and he denounced that.

http://www.bad-wolf.info/LNinterview01.htm

http://badwilf.co.uk/?p=820

This kind of fits my impression of him too... because right after Doctor Who he turned up on Heroes for a few episodes and then in the first GI Joe movie... so it isn't like he jumped from Doctor Who to great art... but the signs seem to point to him wanting to do more than 1 series initially, but souring on the role during the season and backing out and the BBC in spin control to explain "wha hoppen!"

edit: For what it's worth too... The 2005 series aired in the spring of 2005 but had largely been shot in 2004... If memory serves me correctly, it was announced that he was leaving around the time series 1 started to air here in the US... but that was long after the complete series (and of course the regeneration for the final episode) had been shot... so while *we* didn't know until the airing, he and the BBC had known many months earlier during final production of the series. It stands to reason then that it was somewhere in the middle of production that he made the decision... but it was supposed to be kept quiet until the final episode aired... but someone leaked the info early.
Edited by HDMe2 - 6/9/13 at 1:07am
post #222 of 351
Maybe its just me, but he doesn't come off too well in that interview.
post #223 of 351
HDMe2,

Thanks for the information. All this time I was under the impression that it was his stated intention to only do one series from the word go. I am glad to have learned the truth, that this story was mostly PR and "damage control".
post #224 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Maybe its just me, but he doesn't come off too well in that interview.

Yeah... at times he does seem a little self-absorbed... and it is entirely possible that at least some of the "on set" problems were as much Eccleston clashing as it was the show's fault... The reason I give the benefit of the doubt to Eccleston, though, is the BBC seems to always be in full spin mode and not want to just come out with the truth... like Eccleston decided to leave and we are going in a new direction rather than "it was the plan all along"... Remember when we started getting the split seasons and delays between seasons the last few years? Instead of just being told "there are budget and scheduling issues" we got different versions of "let's put it on in the fall" or "let's make a cliffhanger break" or "let's keep people guessing when it will air"... or whatever the spin of the week has been on why it keeps being longer between new episodes year-to-year.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

HDMe2,

Thanks for the information. All this time I was under the impression that it was his stated intention to only do one series from the word go. I am glad to have learned the truth, that this story was mostly PR and "damage control".

No problem... as I said above too... I'm sure Eccleston's own personality contributed a bit to not getting along... but this feels like one of those cases where the cover up is worse than the "crime"... It would have been better for all involved if they hadn't tried to make up a story. The truth, that both sides had decided to go in different directions, would have nipped all the rumor and speculation in the bud. Also, a more amicable parting might have meant Eccleston would have felt like returning this year for the anniversary instead of declining.
post #225 of 351
I dunno. He seemed to be in spin control himself. Bullying a prop guy? What the heck does that mean? I don't know any of the backstory so I'm probably way off but he just sounded very vague in his complaints. And bitter. He makes it sound like he almost considered the show beneath him. He also seemed upset with the showrunners for...er, running the show. He condemns them but doesn't really give any insight into why they were so bad. To me (and I had no bad thoughts about him before the interview) he comes off as arrogant. If I had to guess I would say Davies wanted him out. And judging by the interview, no wonder.
post #226 of 351
And even after all this about Eccleston, his portrayal of The Doctor rebooted the show and secured it as a long-running drama for BBC. That, and I liked him as The Doctor just fine. I liked Tennant more, but that does not imply that I disliked Eccleston at all. His problems with the production or friction on set did not migrate to the screen at all as far as I could see.
post #227 of 351
The rumors were that he had issues (that were not politically correct) with Russel T. Davies style , so no one wants to discuss it.

He may also have been too adult for the family oriented show.
post #228 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod7501 View Post

The rumors were that he had issues (that were not politically correct) with Russel T. Davies style , so no one wants to discuss it.

He may also have been too adult for the family oriented show.

That post is pretty enigmatic; have no idea what it means. As for being too "adult", he's an actor. He recites the words that are written for him. I thought he was great in the role, had good chemistry with Billie Piper, and would have loved to have seen him continue.
post #229 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

And even after all this about Eccleston, his portrayal of The Doctor rebooted the show and secured it as a long-running drama for BBC. That, and I liked him as The Doctor just fine. I liked Tennant more, but that does not imply that I disliked Eccleston at all. His problems with the production or friction on set did not migrate to the screen at all as far as I could see.

I came off harsher than I meant to, I thought he was good in the role too. He just didn't seem to have the range that Tennant brought to the role. Your first sentance maybe points out the problem. Eccleston seems to believe that he was responsible for the success of the show. But it was Davies' show, his vision. And since noone else seems to have any of the complaints Eccleston had, either on this or Torchwood, I've got to beleive it was more a personal clash between the two of them.
And surprise, the Boss won...

Coming in fresh to the reboot, with hardly any exposure to Who before, my take on it was the first 2 seasons were very watchable but not "must see". It was the 3rd season when it really took off and became great. Buffy is my standard for how great a genre show can be. From the 3rd season to the end of Tennant's run Who equaled or even surpassed Whedon for me.
post #230 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

And even after all this about Eccleston, his portrayal of The Doctor rebooted the show and secured it as a long-running drama for BBC. That, and I liked him as The Doctor just fine. I liked Tennant more, but that does not imply that I disliked Eccleston at all. His problems with the production or friction on set did not migrate to the screen at all as far as I could see.

I came off harsher than I meant to, I thought he was good in the role too. He just didn't seem to have the range that Tennant brought to the role. Your first sentance maybe points out the problem. Eccleston seems to believe that he was responsible for the success of the show. But it was Davies' show, his vision. And since noone else seems to have any of the complaints Eccleston had, either on this or Torchwood, I've got to beleive it was more a personal clash between the two of them.
And surprise, the Boss won...

Coming in fresh to the reboot, with hardly any exposure to Who before, my take on it was the first 2 seasons were very watchable but not "must see". It was the 3rd season when it really took off and became great. Buffy is my standard for how great a genre show can be. From the 3rd season to the end of Tennant's run Who equaled or even surpassed Whedon for me.

I have seen every episode from Pertwee on, and I think that they, and Ecclston, did a fine job of recreating the general tone and overall feel of the show, while updating it. They made the Doctor a rather darker character, and explained it that the time war had resulted in the demise of the entire Time Lord race, and all of Gallifrey across all of history. I'd be depressed too. I have been a big fan of the original, AND the reboot.
Quote:
And surprise, the Boss won...

Yeah, not a surprise at all. biggrin.gif RTD has a proven track record. If it actually came to one or the other, I know who I would pick... smile.gif
post #231 of 351
Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka is the perfect next Doctor. Hologram Richard Pryor as his companion.
post #232 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka is the perfect next Doctor. Hologram Richard Pryor as his companion.

How about Daniel Craig?

"The name is Who...Doctor Who."
post #233 of 351
post #234 of 351
The BBC has a highly rated franchise with Doctor Who. I seriously doubt that they will take any big steps to change a winning formula unless/until the ratings start to tank, and they are no where near that point.
Quote:

This is good news indeed for this classic Who fan! (Why does that sound like I am a fan of How the Grinch Stole Christmas?)
post #235 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

For fans of the classic series... some potential earth-shaking news:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/13/wqill-doctor-who-have-a-very-special-surprise-for-us-in-november/

My God I hope this is true. Hope they are not just talking about animated recreations. Would love to see the complete Web of Fear, or almost any other Troughton story.
post #236 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka is the perfect next Doctor. Hologram Richard Pryor as his companion.

An American Doctor? NEVER!
post #237 of 351
Got a feeling the current companion might be the next Doctor.
post #238 of 351
Before we get too far away from the Matt Smith era...

post #239 of 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by sneals2000 View Post

An American Doctor? NEVER!
Less the nationality and more the charisma. That's not locked up to just GB. Smith has steered things so close to cartoon it might be impossible to get back.
post #240 of 351
I'd also like to see the companions be less pet and get the series over how much of an honor it is to be chosen to ride along. It'd be nice to see some different time periods on Earth also. It's like I double dog dare you to get a companion from the 70s and solve a mystery in 1975 Egypt.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: HDTV Programming
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › Doctor Who Season 7 Premiere on BBC America