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post #31 of 239
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Have you heard the DefTech SoloCinema XTR...or on the low end of things the Vizio VHT510, with its satellite rears? Both are said to be good with music.
Happy New Years!

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The DefTech looks very promising. Unf. not available outside the US redface.gif
post #32 of 239
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Happy new year smile.gif
The DefTech looks very promising. Unf. not available outside the US redface.gif

Happy New Year to you, whether you be in:
1)Germany
2)Switzerland
3)Austria

What about the Vizio? Is it available outside the US? What's unique about it is that it has two discrete rear speaker connected to a subwoofer. As a result you get a real surround soundfield, and, according to many reviews, it does very well with music, whether that music be:
1)Bach
2)Beethoven
3)Brahms
4)Psy, doing Gangnam Style

Cheers, and much luck and blessings to you and your family in 2013!
post #33 of 239
Yes Santa popped a Yamaha YSP3300 down my chimney after I gave some huge hints to my wife lol smile.gif
Had it up and running within 1 hour of unwrapping it, using it with a Samsung 55lm860v, fits beautifully underneath. Sound quality on movies is very atmospheric but also punchy when needed, the subwoofer seems to do an excellent job of not only adding weight to the sound but also making the soundstage 'bigger/ wider' on music and concert material. Very happy bunny.biggrin.gif
post #34 of 239
What are the surround effects like, and what is your room layout?

You must have a very good relationship with Santa.
post #35 of 239
Hey Honeymonster,
Have you got any more info for us. Do you know where Santa got it at and what Santa paid ?
post #36 of 239
Good luck with you soundbar purchases...I have have and do own a lot of Yamaha equipment. It has always treated me well!!
post #37 of 239
Just got my 4300 this evening and get done setting it up- so far so good! I wish I had a good audio test disc. I will post more details soon...
post #38 of 239
We"ll be waiting for the review.
post #39 of 239
So far in my limited mid-week movie watching time:

- Set up super easy. I expected this. I had previously purchased a 4000 as a demo model. took it back, and ordered the 4300 which as much better for my constrained space.
- The wireless Sub linked without requiring me to do anything. Gives you a nice LED lit status in the back of the unit when successful.
- When you plug in the mic, it asks you if you want to calibrate, which was nice.
- I hear absolutely no difference in quality between the 4000 and the 4300. I was worried less beam driver = less fidelity. Wrong. The Sub fills in very nicely and really rounds out everything. I do get much better improved surround quality over the 4000. I do not know if this a result of the 7.1, or this unit can decode newer DTS codecs. Bottom line: Better.

The remote:
- Has a nice swanky new look to it.
- It has a Sub volume on the remote which I love.
- Cinema DSP settings

Manual comes on CD. I do wish a DTS test disc came with this, or a demo blu-ray or something. Where can I find a good demo or test?

One thing I will look up is to see if the unit will auto off if it receiving no signal. I set my sleep timer on my TV last night and the unit was still on this morning. I'd like to have it sleep too.

I have not heard the 4100, 2200. or 3300 but If you folks want to ask me questions feel free.
post #40 of 239
Nice report.
Does the Sub intergrate well ? What I mean by this is does it draw attention to itself or is it more on the invisible side ? Any huffing or puffing from the sub ? Did you set it in a corner or near the Main Bar ?
Does the main bar do Dialogue Well, I mean clear and precise no strain to hear what the actor are saying ?
After you did the Auto Calibration were you happy with it or do you think with the test disc you could improve it ?
Do you have a ARC capable TV and have you tried the ARC with it to see if all works correctly ?
Where did you purchase the YSP-4300, I didn't even know that they were available for purchase yet ?
Thanks,
Glen
Edited by Glenee - 1/17/13 at 8:01am
post #41 of 239
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Nice report.
Does the Sub intergrate well ? What I mean by this is does it draw attention to itself or is it more on the invisible side ? Any huffing or puffing from the sub ? Did you set it in a corner or near the Main Bar ?
Does the main bar do Dialogue Well, I mean clear and precise no strain to hear what the actor are saying ?
After you did the Auto Calibration were you happy with it or do you think with the test disc you could improve it ?
Do you have a ARC capable TV and have you tried the ARC with it to see if all works correctly ?
Where did you purchase the YSP-4300, I didn't even know that they were available for purchase yet ?
Thanks,
Glen

Sub seems to integrate perfect- I suppose my situation is a bit different. IF my sub is too loud, neighbors get angry. So I wasn't looking for a super powerful Sub. I think it compliments this soundbar just as it needs. I could understand if other wanted a sub with more "Umph" to get that rumbling. But- in my smaller room this fills out perfectly. Perhaps a larger room the Sub would be underpowered. I do recall in my research that others had pointed out Yamaha subs with the other units were not impressive.

I will have to look into ARC. I do not know if my TV is capable. I have my Blu Ray (Sony BDP-S570) and Cable Box as HDMI 1 and 2 into the YSP 4300, and then a single HDMI out to the TV. (Samsung LN40A550- probably my next upgrade)

Regarding the center- I have no issue hearing the actors at all in main dialogue scenes.

Regarding your question about the calibration: I bumped up the rear left and rear right. However to be fair, when I had a wired system, I have always done this. I enjoy a little more volume in the rear channels. The Auto calibration was very close, and it was beam aimed appropriately.

Calibration Disc: I would have liked to have a full test Disc that would show me what and where I should be hearing things, rather than just a white noise tone. If that makes sense.

About the purchase- I too saw that it was unavailable online on some other retail websites. I actually asked this specifically to my local family owned home theater store (single store only) and he called his Yamaha rep (who was at CES) and said he would have no problem getting me a unit. It was a special order item, so it was not returnable. I am happy though :P
Edited by pyrosee - 1/17/13 at 9:40pm
post #42 of 239
P: Thanks for the Info. Sound's like this may be the Bar for me. I don't like pounding, in your face Bass. I just like a nice, even, well blended, and invisible Low end. I have always increased the rears by about 2-3db.
Thanks,
Glen
post #43 of 239
what about music performance?

only bad point about 2200 was average stereo performance

can we listen excellent music with this?

thanks
post #44 of 239
Hey guys, just set up my 2200. If you haven't already read your manual do so. Manual setup really helps to dial in these projectors. I think it is important to first aim your beams properly, then adjust your focal lengths to widen the stage of each beam. The manual explains the focal lengths well. Hope this helps.

My 2200 is replicating 5.1 in a sub-optimal room layout where tv is in one corner and sectional couch is up against the walls iin the opposite corner. The auto setup was worthless.
post #45 of 239
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Originally Posted by fulhamx5 View Post

what about music performance?

only bad point about 2200 was average stereo performance

can we listen excellent music with this?

thanks

dapercy: What exactly did you do different than what the bar had setup?

So far- after a weekend and some movies with the bar:

Great presence and surround. I am very happy. I think the auto setup worked pretty well for me.
Music: I had my Nirvana with the lights out box set on and it sounded really good. I suppose I will also say that I don't have anything else to compare to system wise.

I like the fact that you can save three configurations for the sound bar. So, if you move from room to room it's very easy.

I watched some LOTR extended edition, Braveheart, and Star Trek: The Next generation Season 1 and 2 on blu ray. Going to try out Game of Thrones S1 tonight smile.gif

Anyone else got any questions I can answer?
post #46 of 239
I did quite a bit and am still tweaking things here and there.

1) auto setup configured a 3beam + 2 for my room. I changed that to a 5 beam and have reproduced 5 discrete channels easily.
2) I adjusted the horizontal beam angles for my preferred listening position, left and right channels are 6 degrees off center.
3) I have been tweaking focal length of all beams. I sit about 13' from the soundbar as the couch is in a corner opposite the TV also in a corner. Left and Right channels have a focal length of 6' and the center is -2.5' which diffuses the sound making it hard to audibly locate the center. I put the focal length of the surrounds about 7' short of the reflective walls widening the sweet spot. I'm still playing with focal length, but feel it is really getting dialed in nicely.
4) I played with image location a bit but returned it to the widest setting for left and right.

Reflective walls are definitely needed, but if you have them I think you can far exceed the sound quality of the auto setup.

Save your auto settings then see if you can tweak and improve.
post #47 of 239
For anyone interested in getting the Yamaha YSP 4300 here is a link to get it for 1199.99 no kidding while it is listed everywhere at 1799.99. I ordered my Wednesday and received it the next day no tax. When I ordered mine they had 5 now they are down to 2 left. This is the link http://www.interstatemusic.com/876239-Yamaha-YSP4300BL-Digital-Sound-Projector-Black-YSP4300BL.aspx
post #48 of 239

Does anyone here have a 3300 or 4300 wall mounted? How does it look? I have a new panasonic plasma w/ a slim profile (<2") mounted on the wall and am concerned with the 3300 / 4300 protruding from the wall.  Photos would be appreciated. Also, any thoughts as to how these units sound wall-mounted vs table top?

Thanks much.

post #49 of 239
Kempster, I searched that store inside and out, could not find even a whisper of the units.
post #50 of 239
At the time I put this post up they had 3 left, now for a 500.00 difference in price how long did you think those 3 were gonna last once word got out. I'm glad I got mines when I first saw that price
post #51 of 239
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Originally Posted by Kempsterx5 View Post

At the time I put this post up they had 3 left, now for a 500.00 difference in price how long did you think those 3 were gonna last once word got out. I'm glad I got mines when I first saw that price
All I wanted to know, was there someplace on the website that I needed to go. It is nice to know the Ballpark price that we need to be paying. If they can do it, then so can others.
post #52 of 239
It seem like once they ran out of stock they took them off there site because I went back and can no longer find it
post #53 of 239
The ARC works perfectly on my ARC compatible Samsung UN60ES7500 even though set up was a little difficult but once done works perfectly
post #54 of 239
Received my 4300 yesterday.

Requirements:
Surround in small space and also odd shaped room - 3.2m x 10m. Tv/unit placed towards one end along long side.
Unit needed to fit over my tv stand which sticks out and is 2.5cm ish high (tv sits on side unit).
Wife wants to listen to music/radio without having tv on. Kids otherwise want to watch tv all the time.
Unit needs to be children friendly.
Sub needs to be flexibly placed and out of way of playing children.
Sounds has to be alot better than my inbuilt Panasonic speakers and overall good for music and film.

So..
It arrived. Huge box but that's what you get for this shaped item. Everything easily placed as just two units plus bits/wires etc. Fitted perfectly over tv stand once i pushed on the two raisers.
Had problem getting sub to connect, but had something to do with order of plugin. Have loads of other close by 2.4ghz wireless items, thus switched them off but these in the end were not problem. Main unit i think should be on before sub to avoid.

Once blue light on sub showing it connected, moved to fm radio. Gives no sound when not tuned to channel of course as fm. Radio wire connector is not same as in manual and doesnt make a good connetion. Cheap piece of wire with a not well suited connector on the end. Got it still to work though with a bit if adjustement to the connector. will get a proper arial later for this. Fm button is under the covered part of the control so you need to slide that out for this.

Stereo sound for music was instantly better than tv, though of couse not comparable to a decent or higher end stereo. I'm a sound engineer as hobby, but the need here is for a general purpose family unit and thus sound is a good enough fit for the purpose.

Owners manual is on cd and quick setup guide of course refers to this so it wasnt long before i had to get the laptop out.

Auto speaker set up for surround was straight forward. Left the room of course during test tones. Did this while kids were in bed so didnt make too much noise. set to 2 + 3 beam.

Sound was a bit left orientated down to my room shape so made some corre tions but the e,planatiin in the owners manual was clear enough on how to change these. Of course you need the tv connected to see these specific menus, unlike radio functions which can be done without.

The left hand side SL virtual placement was effective and could set/determine location of virtual speaker easily however on right unsuprisingly this was not achievable to same degree. Regardless imaging was wider than normal tv and enough to give perception of a speaker to the right 1 or so metres. I have a sofa also on that side in the middle of the room (leather) do also makes that side more tricky.

Sub sounds good and mixes well with the main unit. Sub volume control is indeed handy for reducing neighbour annoyance.

Watched some parts of movies and sound stage is much bigger of course which is what i wanted. Sound effects have good movement left/right and also with depth. I wouldn't say behind but i need to check some more scenes for that. Of course my right hand side is a bit more restricted due to lack of wall but this is not obvious to detect though I expect this may become more apparent in more sweeping scenes.

Overall it fits my requirements perfectly, thus a 9 in that sense. In my view I would still choose a real surround (high end one) if i had the space and family support wink.gif thus in my view this is is no replacement for a full surround if your fussy about sound but then sounds quality is for many people now days not noticed given all the additional compression thrown on so much digital music these days.

Oh, and i won't be using the uni volume setting.. this destroys as you would expect the dynamics, but it just doesnt sound very good either. I wonder if the settings for this can be tweaked properly.. ? Cheers.
post #55 of 239
Jules, Thanks for taking the time to help all of us out. When you start tweaking the unit would you keep us informed of what you discover ? An absolute wonderfull and No BS intial review.
Thanks Again.
post #56 of 239
No problem... Oh, and forgot to mention children friendliness levels. Main unit has metal grill thus no squashing of cones possible. Buttons towards back of unit are few so more difficult to play with. I think I read somewhere also you can disable one/morr of them but need to check again..

Side of sub has also grill to protect from fingers, however of the front sub hole is more of a priblem. This is a great place for a small car etc. Which may even disappear forever into the box if your unlucky.

Thus only action point for me is to put something over it that keeps the toys out!
post #57 of 239
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Originally Posted by Julescs0 View Post

No problem... Oh, and forgot to mention children friendliness levels. Main unit has metal grill thus no squashing of cones possible. Buttons towards back of unit are few so more difficult to play with. I think I read somewhere also you can disable one/morr of them but need to check again..

Side of sub has also grill to protect from fingers, however of the front sub hole is more of a priblem. This is a great place for a small car etc. Which may even disappear forever into the box if your unlucky.

Thus only action point for me is to put something over it that keeps the toys out!
Priceless observations.
One time when my youngest was small. I spent 4 hrs putting on childproof locks on all the cabinets down Low. He spent all of about a hour to discover the new way the doors Open.
post #58 of 239
New to the forum, just ordered the 3300 from buy.com for $945.00 + tax. $1022.00 total. Was going to get the ysp-2200 but couldnt find it for less than $800 form an authorized retailer then found it on buy.com. Can't wait for it to come in. Wondering if anyone has wall mounted yet with the yamaha bracket? Model # spm-k20. Or if someone is using a different mount would like to know how it sits on the wall? Thanks
post #59 of 239
Well the price we should Pay has been established.
YSP-4300 @ 1199.00
YSP-3300 @ 945.00
Now we at least have a point at where to pounce.
post #60 of 239
I am debating between buying ysp 2200 vs ysp 3300. Do you guys think the 3300 would be worth the extra money? I mostly watch DirecTV, Blu Rays movies, and would occasionally listen to music over it. Thanks in advance.
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