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post #91 of 256
Are you talking about the apps on the tv? If you are I haven't tried those yet but will tonight, and see if I run into that as well.
post #92 of 256
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

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Hi. Although I don't have a Samsung TV or Yamaha soundbar, from the time I've spent on these threads I can give you some information.

Re the CEC issue, Samsung TVs don't support "auto-on" as part of their CEC implementation. So you're stuck with that issue unless you decide to get a programmable remote. Defaulting to the "TV" input seems to happen with various TVs and soundbars. Again, I don't think you can get it to change that behavior without a Harmony or similar remote.

Re the ARC issue, what you were told is indeed BS. However, whatever is causing the problem is likely on Sammy's side and I suggest you call their customer support to see if they can explain what's wrong. There have been reports in these threads of ARC not working with a TV's smart apps.

First of all thanks for your reply smile.gif. Its not the best of news but at least now I won't spend too much time trying to endless spin my wheels getting things to work for the CEC issue. I did look at several other threads from various forums and no one had a definitive answer. My no. one suspect is the Yammy, I've internalized the manual (I think) but still cant get the ARC to work. I'm going to tiker with it today as well. If I can't get it to work someone in Yamaha support is gonna get a really pissed customer. mad.gif
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Originally Posted by shiz20 View Post

Are you talking about the apps on the tv? If you are I haven't tried those yet but will tonight, and see if I run into that as well.

Yes I'm talking about the apps from the smart hub. Besides I sometimes use USB to watch BR movies. I usually connect the USB directly to the TV and play them using the inbuilt Divx software. I'll be really upset if I'm compelled to use TV speakers or optical cable (with downgraded audio) to hear the sound via soundbar.
post #93 of 256
Regarding the ARC issue, one test you could try is connecting one of your source devices directly to the TV and see if ARC works. That way you'll know if ARC isn't working at all, or if it is just the smart apps (and maybe the USB) that aren't using ARC.
post #94 of 256
On your Yamaha yep 3300 make sure you go into the setup menu on your remote and go into HDMI and make sure HDMI controls are set to on then go to your menu on your Samsung which I also have (Samsung UN60ES7500) and go to the systems settings and you should be able to find Anynet+(HDMI-CEC) settings and make sure it is on then go down to Receiver and set that to on also. I figured it out by trial and error and it now works perfectly but I was frustrated like you at first
post #95 of 256
Kempster, just curious but are you saying the soundbar will turn on automatically with the TV? Most reports here say Sammy TVs don't support that. Or do you mean ARC is working, which would be very good news indeed for Karan? smile.gif
post #96 of 256
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Originally Posted by Kempsterx5 View Post

On your Yamaha yep 3300 make sure you go into the setup menu on your remote and go into HDMI and make sure HDMI controls are set to on then go to your menu on your Samsung which I also have (Samsung UN60ES7500) and go to the systems settings and you should be able to find Anynet+(HDMI-CEC) settings and make sure it is on then go down to Receiver and set that to on also. I figured it out by trial and error and it now works perfectly but I was frustrated like you at first

This is exactly what I have set right now... to the T. This doesn't work for me mad.gif
post #97 of 256
I know this is a long shot but are you using a HDMI1.4 Cable from the soundbar to the TV. I mean is it capable of sending AND receiving signal. I have no experience with ARC yet but it does specify HDMI 1.4.
Just guessing.
Glen
post #98 of 256
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

I know this is a long shot but are you using a HDMI1.4 Cable from the soundbar to the TV. I mean is it capable of sending AND receiving signal. I have no experience with ARC yet but it does specify HDMI 1.4.
Just guessing.
Glen
Yes you have to make sure you are using the right version HDMI cables which is 1.4. If this doesn't work start from scratch and reset your sound bar to factory specs and try it again
post #99 of 256
I forgot one thing to tell you in looking at your set up as opposed to mine. I have my cable box connected directly to my TV with HDMI and not the sound bar, try hooking up his way and it may make a world of difference
post #100 of 256
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

I know this is a long shot but are you using a HDMI1.4 Cable from the soundbar to the TV. I mean is it capable of sending AND receiving signal. I have no experience with ARC yet but it does specify HDMI 1.4.
Just guessing.
Glen

Its a cable I bought from Amazon Basics, who claim that it's HDMI 1.4 with Ethernet and ARC support. Do I know for sure that it works, well I can't say but CEC does work, so the commands from TV remote are being passed down to the soundbar.

I don't have another device which can definitively test the ARC return from the TV. At this point I'm leaning towards the Yammy being the guilty one. But 'Kempsterx5' claims that the exact same setup works for him so I'm really confused.

There's just 3 possible culprits:
1) The Yammy
2) The Sammy
3) The cable

I can test the ARC by connecting the cable box to the TV instead of the soundbar and see if I can get sound from the soundbar.If not, then I'll know that something is wrong with the ARC. If yes, then I know the issue is with the Samsung Apps themselves.
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Originally Posted by Kempsterx5 View Post

On your Yamaha yep 3300 make sure you go into the setup menu on your remote and go into HDMI and make sure HDMI controls are set to on then go to your menu on your Samsung which I also have (Samsung UN60ES7500) and go to the systems settings and you should be able to find Anynet+(HDMI-CEC) settings and make sure it is on then go down to Receiver and set that to on also. I figured it out by trial and error and it now works perfectly but I was frustrated like you at first

Could you give the exact setup you currently have by which the ARC works? I need both the setting, the Samsung and the Yamaha setup. Thanks in advance.
post #101 of 256
Karan, As I explained to you in my Post, I have No experiance with ARC Yet. So take anything I say as nothing more than that. I have read most of the manual on the Yamaha and I did notice that they were very specific in this. The cable you described should get the job done, if it's all it says it is. I am trying to figure out right now if I even want to use ARC or CEC, if the ARC wont pass the HD codecs from Blu-Ray, I will hook up Optical only and not use HDMI from TV to sound bar. I will then hook up my BluRay Players which have two HDMI's Out one to TV and the other to the Soundbar.
I am watching your experiences Closely and will see what others, who have a lot more time with this ARC thing have to Say. I know that a lot of APP capable TV have had to go with the optical or coaxial route do to app limitations. People have had hell trying to get Netflix to work properly when the app comes with TV. They all almost end up going optical from TV to Soundbar.
Watching,
Glen
Edited by Glenee - 2/13/13 at 12:44pm
post #102 of 256
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Karan, As I explained to you in my Post, I have No experiance with ARC Yet. So take anything I say as nothing more than that. I have read most of the manual on the Yamaha and I did notice that they were very specific in this. The cable you described should get the job done, if it's all it says it is. I am trying to figure out right now if I even want to use ARC or CEC, if the ARC wont pass the HD codecs from Blu-Ray, I will hook up Optical only and not use HDMI from TV to sound bar. I will then hook up my BluRay Players which have two HDMI's Out one to TV and the other to the Soundbar.
I am watching your experiences Closely and will see what others, who have a lot more time with this ARC thing have to Say.
Watching,
Glen
Try connecting your cable box to the TV and not the sound bar. My set up has my cable box connected to my TV and not the sound bar and I almost guarantee you this should solve problem
post #103 of 256
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Originally Posted by Kempsterx5 View Post

Try connecting your cable box to the TV and not the sound bar. My set up has my cable box connected to my TV and not the sound bar and I almost guarantee you this should solve problem
get back to me and let me know what happens when you try my way
post #104 of 256
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Originally Posted by Kempsterx5 View Post

get back to me and let me know what happens when you try my way

FWIT, Most audioholics will attest that HDMI goes to a receiver and then the video is relayed to to the TV via receiver. A good receiver is supposed to handle pretty much most audio codecs out there. I'll be surprised that the TV is able to decode more audio codecs than a receiver. The reason I have the feed going to the soundbar first is because I don't want to deal with a lip sync issue going from TV to soundbar. Since I'm at my wits end I'm going to try going from TV to receiver tonight. First via HDMI(ARC) and if that doesn't work then via optical.

I'm hoping that its just an issue with the Smart Hub's apps not being able to relay sound to the soundbar via ARC. If that's the case I can file a customer support ticket with Samsung and request that they fix the issue in a future software update.

I'll try this setup tonight and let you know what I find out. wink.gif
post #105 of 256
Ok
post #106 of 256
Since I work in this field and deal with many of these problems routinely. Here is what I suggest. Turn off CEC on all your devices!!!! Turn off ARC and run an optical for TV sources. Let the receiver or sound bar do the HDMI switching. Get a decent universal remote that can do the functions you need, a good idea anyway to simplify your whole system.

I know HDMI CEC/ARC should work in theory but save yourself the headaches. You MIGHT have a chance if all the components are from the same manufacturer and I emphasize MIGHT! If you want reliability this is the best method.
post #107 of 256
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Originally Posted by Karan Nayak View Post

I've been searching for a deal on the ysp 2200 since early November and was almost ready to pull the trigger on it for $800 until I read this forum and found out that a ysp 3300 was available for $950. That model wasn't even on my radar because I considered $1500 for a soundbar to be too expensive. But when you can get a 3300 for $150 more than a 2200 I decided to jump at it ASAP.
I felt that, since its a newer model and fixes the sonic hole, it would be worthe the extra. ~$500 off is certainly great and I hope it's worth it.'shiz20' had posted his initial reviews and they seemed positive. I'm supposed to get mine on Tuesday. I'll post my initial reviews as well because this forum has helped me and I would like to give back.

My apologies if you already know this but check out savinglots.com if you want the 2200 under $600. I have the 2200 and after a month of use am extremely happy with it. I use it for movies and TV and it's awesome. But I agree that music lacks punch. Since I use it exclusively for home theater I don't mind the music issue. Also do not get a 3300 or 2200 unless you enjoy playing with settings. I love to tinker and spent a good 2 weeks dialing in the beams and I'm absolutely blown away by the surround sound coming out of this plain looking skinny bar. However if you have trouble setting up and tweaking technology steer clear of sound pprojectors. You will not enjoy the auto setup sound as it simply isn't good.

Read the manual that comes on the disk and make sure to adjust beam angle and focal length for optimal sound stage. If I didn't mind spending 1k on a soundbar I would have gotten the 3300, but I'm too cheap. However if you are willing to pay $1k the 3300 has to be even better than the 2200 with a beefier sub and the 2 mid-range woofers.
post #108 of 256
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Originally Posted by tkurkowski View Post

Read my post #39 in this thread. The sonic hole from 130 Hz to 600 Hz in the 2200 is very noticeable in music and in some forums folks have posted that it's also where most of the frequencies are, of the sound of a basketball hitting the floor when being dribbled which makes watching basketball games kinda weird. (Most movies were pretty good, though.) The 3300 and 4300 include mid-range speakers that close the hole.

I commented on the basketball dribbling initially, but retracted that comment when I realized the problem was the source audio. I've seen several games since where the sound of dribbling was clear and natural sounding. I have found the sonic hole is not an issue for movies at all. The only noticeable weakness of the 2200 is music and not because of a hole but because it doesn't do a good job of producing a wide sound stage for music. Music sounds diffused as if it's coming from the center channel. That said if you want to use the soundbar for music or don't mind spending 400 more the 3300 certainly has to be the better package of the two.
post #109 of 256
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Originally Posted by Karan Nayak View Post

FWIT, Most audioholics will attest that HDMI goes to a receiver and then the video is relayed to to the TV via receiver. A good receiver is supposed to handle pretty much most audio codecs out there. I'll be surprised that the TV is able to decode more audio codecs than a receiver. The reason I have the feed going to the soundbar first is because I don't want to deal with a lip sync issue going from TV to soundbar. Since I'm at my wits end I'm going to try going from TV to receiver tonight. First via HDMI(ARC) and if that doesn't work then via optical.

I'm hoping that its just an issue with the Smart Hub's apps not being able to relay sound to the soundbar via ARC. If that's the case I can file a customer support ticket with Samsung and request that they fix the issue in a future software update.

I'll try this setup tonight and let you know what I find out. wink.gif

Ok I have good news and bad news. Lets start with the bad news first:

"I'm a moron and I've wasted your time with the ARC issue." I've solved the problem, no optical cable, no HDMI from Cable box to TV and then HDMI(ARC) to soundbar!

It was the HDMI cable all along, it turned out to be faulty and didn't feedback the ARC. I got another cable today and kept my exact same settings

My set up on the soundbar is as follows:
HDMI (out): Soundbar (ARC channel) ->TV (ARC channel/ HDMI2 on the TV).
HDMI1 (in): Comcast Cable box -> Soundbar.
HDMI2 (in): Xbox360 -> Soundbar.

HDMI control is set to 'ON' on the soundbar. The CEC functionality is set to 'ON' on the the TV and the speakers are set to 'external' on the TV.

I can hear the sounds that originate from the TV. Smart Hub apps, USB movie played from the TV. Its all good biggrin.gif

As for the CEC issue as it was mentioned in an earlier post, Sammy doesn't support turning 'ON' CEC enabled device and the soundbar will just default to TV-ARC when its turned on. I guess I'll have to live with that. I'll think about getting a universal remote somewhere down the line. For now I'll just have to live with the two remotes to control my home theater. Maybe Samsung will push an update in a future that addresses the issue.

Now all I need is the Yamaha wireless Tx to send music from my PC and iOS device and I'm all set. I'll tinker around with the surround sound settings over the weekend to get a nice sound stage. I'll post some more comments after that.

FYI: The music from the soundbar is pretty good. I'm going to try playing one of those Dolby Digital surround sound demos online to see how the setup sounds.

Thanks guys for all the help. wink.gif
post #110 of 256
Has anyone had problems with getting the wireless subwoofer to play nice with their WiFi network on their 3300/4300? I'm having a little bit of difficulty getting everything to play nicely together. When I turn on my 3300 the WiFi network quality goes way down, and what my computer calls "Congestion (Non WiFi interference)" goes up dramatically. I'm not finding that changing the group code or the channel I set on my router makes much difference. The shame of it is I have a really nice Yamaha sub that I'd hook up in a second if it was possible.
post #111 of 256
Karan,
You didn't waste our time. I am so glad it was just the cable. I think this HDMI stuff is getting worse on some front's instead of better.
Anyway Congratulations and keep us informed of your progress and any tricks you figure out.
Another thing I noticed in the manual is this bar prefers everything sent to it BITSTREAM. I have had some hair pulling evenings with this little minor adjustment. So when ever you plug anything into the soundbar be sure to set the output to Bitstream.
Glen
post #112 of 256
Karan, I'm also glad to know you've got the ARC working as it should. Thanks for reporting that because there are a lot of threads where Sammy TVs are involved and it's helpful to know that the TV does do ARC correctly with other manufacturer's equipment. smile.gif
post #113 of 256
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Originally Posted by shiz20 View Post

Not sure how it connects, but I have no problems with mine. Wireless router is in the same room as well. Less than a foot from the router. Don't recall what it says in the manual regarding type of connection. Try rebooting. Might help


Tried rebooting many times. I am not sure why I am hearing that odd popping / crackling sound I discussed in my previous post. Once in a while the sub completely drops out, and I get the flashing TX for a while till it reestablishes the connection.

Only way I have gotten rid of the popping is to keep trying to reboot until it stops.
post #114 of 256
The problem with the HDMI specification is that it does NOT require manufacturers to implement every option of every HDMI version. So a cable can be "HDMI 1.4" capable but it MIGHT NOT support ARC or Ethernet... the product itself has to say what HDMI features are supported. It might not even support 3D but I'd have to think that would be an unconscionable feature omission since 3D really only requires a little more bandwidth than 2D (frame packed 3D).
post #115 of 256
Well Glenee is SOL again. I called interstate Music to check on my Order. They have cancelled the order, because their Distributor no longer carries them and they have No Access to another source. We can now take Interstate Music Off our possible list. So now I am hunting again.
This is the First Time I have ever had a company take a order and then they can't fill it.
Does this happen alot ?
post #116 of 256
Just keep checking for they will get them in stock again cause when I ordered mines they had 5 in stock and I received item the next day. When they do get them they only get a few and at that price 1199.00 which is actually the lowest on the market they sell out fast as so keep checking you will catch it
post #117 of 256
If anyone has photo of their wall mounted 3300 or 4300 I would love to see it. Does it look odd since it's over 6 inches deep?

Thanks,
post #118 of 256
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Originally Posted by Kempsterx5 View Post

Just keep checking for they will get them in stock again cause when I ordered mines they had 5 in stock and I received item the next day. When they do get them they only get a few and at that price 1199.00 which is actually the lowest on the market they sell out fast as so keep checking you will catch it
I hope your right, but from the conversation on the phone it don't look good. They made it sound like they would never get anymore, because of their Distributor. They were not going to be getting anymore to sell to them.
Let's hope your right.
Edited by Glenee - 2/15/13 at 2:59pm
post #119 of 256
I also ordered one from Interstate Music on Feb 11. Got my confirmation e-mail with order number.

The website says "usually ships within two days". Three days went by with no indication of shipping so I called them.

I was told the YSP-4300 has been "discontinued" (huh?) and they could no longer get it. My order was canceled during the call.

I ended up just ordering one from Crutchfield for $1799 (free shipping no tax at least).

I really didn't want to pay that much, but at least Crutchfield has an outstanding reputation.
post #120 of 256
Never thought buying the YSP would bring me closer to the neighbors. My neighbors stopped by last night. It seems my "Lord of the Rings" movie night disturbed their dinner :P


My room layout
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I did set up the YSP on auto calibrate for surround effect, but since my room is rectangular in shape with the TV/YSP in one corner. The auto calibrate results weren't all that great. The soundbar does sound fantastic, you get a feeling of depth to the sound. I've tried some 3D surround sound demos from youtube, once with TV speakers and then again with the YSP. The YSP sounds phenomenal. The TV speakers just give you a feeling of left/right channels and then the volume of the channels overall. There's no depth to the sound, the YSP on the other hand gives you a feeling of immersive depth to the sound. You can clearly make out that the sound is coming from different places in a room (in a movie) when a movie is being played. I tried playing Pandora on my TV from the smart hub but in stereo mode I didn't see much of a difference between the YSP and the TV speakers. It did sound good and the sub woofer gives it an extra kick.

Yesterday afternoon I did manually calibrate the different channels for the YSP and got all but one of the 5.1 channels setup. I cannot get the surround right channel right, maybe because its because of the shape of my room and where the couch is placed relative to the wall. I have a corner setup for my living room which is attached to a dining area. The couch is in front of the TV (10 feet away) with a 45 degree angle to the adjacent wall. It doesn't leave much room behind me to reflect sound off. I do that the FR, FL, C, SL channels manually calibrated with the appropriate 'beam angles'. I just my own ears to see if I liked what I was hearing. I don'e have any definitive way to say if its the right thing to do. All I did was keep adjusting the beam angles until I could hear the sound coming from the right place. If someone knows a better way to do this then please let me know. I tried my best with the right surround channel but I couldn't get something I liked. I just had to give up and leave it at the same angle as the front right channel.

I don't know how to adjust the 'beam distance' and 'focal length' parameters because I would need to draw out the dimensions of the room and use geometry to see exactly what it is I'm doing. I'm just too lazy to do that right now. I may do it sometime later in the week when I'm bored and have nothing better to do.

Last night I was playing "LOTR" and maybe a tad bit too loud (as I was reminded by my neighbors wink.gif), there was a scene where the nazgoul flies around Minas Tarith and you could hear the sound originate from the LF speakers and go all the way to the SL speakers. I could have sworn that it felt like the nazgul flew out of my TV and flew behind me on my left habd side. It was really cool to have that feeling. wink.gif

I'm going to tinker some more to get some effect for the right surround. I need to still figure out haw to use the 'bem distance' and 'focal length' settings. I may have to use measuring tape and the room layout diagram to know what I'm doing. Again if someone knows an easier way, I'd be grateful.

Thanks guys for all the help on this forum. For those who have the YSP, congratulations and I hope we enjoy the home theater experience it brings. And for those on the wall, who need a little more convincing, I'd say give this a try. While I cannot say that this is worth $1.5k or $1.8k but for me it was a decision of aesthetics without having to deal with a room littered with speakers. I'll build my dedicated speaker based home theater when I move to my own place, not while I'm renting. rolleyes.gif

I paid ~$950 for this YSP 3300 and I'm happy with the purchace. I wish you guys all the best in the search for discounts on the YSP. smile.gif
Edited by Karan Nayak - 2/28/13 at 11:29am
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