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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Is it the one with starting bid at $160?biggrin.gif
Yes that's the one lol smile.gif
post #1862 of 2288
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Originally Posted by dzl13 View Post

You guys know off had the specs on the power block? When I hooked it up last night once the unit was on there was a high pitched whine coming from the power block (not the PCH unit as I first thought it was). If I put some pressure on the block the sound lessens and if I squeezer hard it will stop so I assume it is some mechanical vibration. PCH's answer is to send everything back and they will send it to the lab to test. No word on the turn around time for that... I'd rather just get my own replacement or perhaps this is inconsequential?

Just read the back of it it should have the power output. Then take it with you and match the tip to something at radio shack. Depending on where you live your mains might have a slight different frequency causing it to vibrate So If I were You I would just pop it open spread some hot glue on it and snap it back together again. If that is out of your comfort zone Either pick a new PSU up that matches the specs. Or email customer support again explaining it just the power brick
post #1863 of 2288
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Is it the one with starting bid at $160?biggrin.gif

is that a little gleam in your eye of debating if you should bid lol
Edited by halfelite - 8/30/13 at 12:52pm
post #1864 of 2288
Ok, got it up and running and I have to be honest I am EXTREMELY disappointed unless I'm missing something. So 2 questions:

1. I have 3 WD 3 TB NAS. I scanned each to get NMJ running. Can it not show all movies at the same time? It will only display whatvever NAS I'm in. Is there no all "videos" tab that has all the content aggregated together?

2. I'm coming from a WDTV which was functional but severely lacking and would lock up all the time. On the home screen you would see a videos tab, hit that and it takes you directly to their form of a jukebox. On the PCH I have to go to Network media>select network server> go to the videos file> then I can open the jukebox.

If this is 2.5x the cost of the WD I'd assume it would be a beast considering I'm giving up netflix, hulu, etc.

What did I miss? This thing is halfway back in the box already.
post #1865 of 2288
you need a little more research use NMJtoolbox to combine all databases into one you only have to use it once.

Follow this here you can change the full homescreen to have links to whatever you want directly on the home screen

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=65794
post #1866 of 2288
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Originally Posted by dzl13 View Post

Ok, got it up and running and I have to be honest I am EXTREMELY disappointed unless I'm missing something. So 2 questions:

1. I have 3 WD 3 TB NAS. I scanned each to get NMJ running. Can it not show all movies at the same time? It will only display whatvever NAS I'm in. Is there no all "videos" tab that has all the content aggregated together?

2. I'm coming from a WDTV which was functional but severely lacking and would lock up all the time. On the home screen you would see a videos tab, hit that and it takes you directly to their form of a jukebox. On the PCH I have to go to Network media>select network server> go to the videos file> then I can open the jukebox.

If this is 2.5x the cost of the WD I'd assume it would be a beast considering I'm giving up netflix, hulu, etc.

What did I miss? This thing is halfway back in the box already.
You can make one jukebox for all of your movies. You can also make the pch open I to a jukebox when it turns onto that you do not have to go through all of that hassle.
post #1867 of 2288
Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO announced. Almost all geared towards audiophiles


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Penang, Malaysia; September 4, 2013 – Cloud Media Sdn. Bhd, a leading global manufacturer of digital entertainment solutions, is excited to announce the latest addition to the Popcorn Hour product line, the Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO.


The Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO utilizes the Sigma Design’s Dual Core 800Mhz SMP 8911 chipset and combines the outstanding video capabilities with a high-end, all-analog preamp-processor. The 7.1 Audio output makes the product an ideal choice for home cinema enthusiasts and the 2.0 XLR balanced audio connectivity integrates perfectly into sophisticated home entertainment environments.

With a 24bit / 192khz onboard audiophile DAC the Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO can play back various audio file formats including the advanced DSD container. A dual power supply with a toroidal transformer for the audio preamplifier underlines the achievable sound quality.

On the video side a studio-quality VXP® processing is included, offering fully adaptive deinterlacing, adaptive Film Cadence Detection and adaptive contrast enhancement.

With support for Blu-ray 3D-Video, Full-HD video, several audio and photo codec’s and web content, users can experience their digital media how they want. The Cloud Media Apps Market, containing over 100 free and premium TV and audio apps, gives users a broad selection of additional entertainment via the web. Especially the latest premium app of the music service Qobuz - the world's leading platform for lossless streaming and high definition music download - offers a huge catalogue of all music styles in true CD and also in Studio Masters quality. So it is a perfect addition to the Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO. Today Qobuz is already available in France, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg and additionally planned to open November 1st in Germany, Austria, The Netherlands, UK and Ireland.

The Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO will include some more exciting features to enhance the media playback experience. In addition to video metadata and posters, users can also download subtitles directly from the web without having to use a PC and select 1 of 22 different languages they prefer the information and subtitles to be downloaded in.

The NMJ navigator provides an even more natural remote control via a 2nd screen iPad® or Android® companion opportunity.

The Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO can be upgraded with an internal 2.5 and a 3.5-inch hard disk which can be mounted in a HDD quick dock, turning the device into a network attached storage device. Users also have the option of using the built in 10/100/1000mbs Gigabit Ethernet port or they can purchase a Wireless N Wi-Fi dongle. An SD card reader, USB 2.0 ports, and an eSATA interface are also included for external storage.

“With Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO we combine the latest audio with the latest video technology and open a new category of high end media players. This combination of advanced quality and ease of use makes a perfect package for our customers” said Manfred Karl, VP Sales EMEA region.

The MSRP for the Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO will be below €1,000 in the European Community (including VAT). The first products are planned to be shipped in Q4 2013.
post #1868 of 2288
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Popcorn Hour A-410 PRO will be below €1,000 in the European Community (including VAT)

ouch...

That's 400€ less than a oppo 105, with more streaming abilities but without an optical drive. Comparisons are going to be interesting...
post #1869 of 2288
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

ouch...

That's 400€ less than a oppo 105, with more streaming abilities but without an optical drive. Comparisons are going to be interesting...

yup its an interesting market though. A lot of people like the high end audio, And its a void that has been missing since the new gen players came out
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From what I got out of it is that the only difference between the 400 and 410 pro is the pre outs and xlr connects. I do not know why this is even needed of you have your 400 connect to your avr via hdmi cable? Someone care to enlighten me?
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That will depend on the type of DAC that PCH is using. If they use a cheap DAC I wouldn't even bother buying it. If they use something like a Wolfson DAC then it might be a good buy for music.
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

From what I got out of it is that the only difference between the 400 and 410 pro is the pre outs and xlr connects. I do not know why this is even needed of you have your 400 connect to your avr via hdmi cable? Someone care to enlighten me?

Because lots of people prefer higher end DAC's as GusGus748s said it all depends what DAC is inside the A400. if its a high end DAC it will sound better then your normal a400 going over hdmi to an onkyo to decode if you have the right gear. This is for a certain market of people its not an everyday player its for someone looking for a higher bit fo audio. I know a lot of people have been wanting DSD container support which according to announcement it will support . Wonder if the DSD will come down to the normal A400.

And things like the toroidal transformer for the Audio DAC and dual power supplies peak a lot of peoples interest. The market for this depending on what DAC is inside is for the hardcore audio fan. Some people will swear by a toroidal transformer even though you could go a conventional transformer that outputs 35% more power for the same cost some people will swear it adds better sound qualities others will disagree.
Edited by halfelite - 9/4/13 at 10:15am
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Audio part is one thing video another. If its the same vxp than the a400 then oppo people will laugh at it.

IMO once the 500€ (700$) mark is passed on this kind of product then the price isn't a problem anymore, as long as you are able to prove that you have the best product vs the competition.

If CM's idea is just to be the low end of the high end they will fail big time. There no such thing as a "low cost Premium"...
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Ye they need to add full VXP control then it would be a nice option. The 3-4 options of VXP are not enough control for videophiles
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Actually they need a no VXP option. If you are all HD you probably leave it turned off.
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Actually they need a no VXP option. If you are all HD you probably leave it turned off.

Most people have a mix. And correct true reference material would have no VXP and as it is now you can turn off all VXP options. But in real world majority of people prefer blown out blacks and saturated colors. As it looks "better" to them
post #1877 of 2288
Does it even have an RF remote?
post #1878 of 2288
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Does it even have an RF remote?

No full specs but the mockup design shown has the same RF antenna as past models did. Guess we will have to wait for press release from IFA, or someone at IFA to confirm full specs
post #1879 of 2288
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

No full specs but the mockup design shown has the same RF antenna as past models did. Guess we will have to wait for press release from IFA, or someone at IFA to confirm full specs

Confirmed built in IR and RF, internal USB and SD.

The Analog audio portion was built by nuforce. The boards for audio are interchangeable which could mean upgrade boards in the future or different options but none are confirmed at the current time
post #1880 of 2288
DAC specs are out. not to shabby.

7.1 is AKM AK4390, 2ch RCA is AKM AK4440 and the XLR is TI Burr-Brown DRV-135

new home screen with images posted here

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=68205
post #1881 of 2288
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

DAC specs are out. not to shabby.

7.1 is AKM AK4390, 2ch RCA is AKM AK4440 and the XLR is TI Burr-Brown DRV-135

new home screen with images posted here

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=68205

Like always. PCH doesn't disappoint going with the cheap stuff and expecting for consumers to pay top dollar.
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... and care about DAC
post #1883 of 2288
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Like always. PCH doesn't disappoint going with the cheap stuff and expecting for consumers to pay top dollar.

Which DAC is cheap. AKM was one of the highest quality up until ESS sabre passed its recently. Burr Brown is always one of the top as well. If I was grading the scale ESS sabre, Burr Brown, AKM

But its not the chips alone its also the stages and implementation that make the difference. my guess not to up in the pre/pro analog world and the prices that come with this stuff. More then I would ever spend. that is for sure, As stated this is now in the realm of the oppo105 market is 1,199$ and only handles retail content. My guess is the same people that opt for the oppo105 for retail will opt for something like the A410 pro for non retail. this is going to be a custom install type device.

Look at the original DUNE HD duo that offered analog outputs it was priced at 500$+ I think

Not to mention the Dune pro was rumored to have at least one of the same DACs and everyone hailed it as amazing. Just goes to show brand loyalty and miss information
Edited by halfelite - 9/8/13 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Which DAC is cheap. AKM was one of the highest quality up until ESS sabre passed its recently. Burr Brown is always one of the top as well. If I was grading the scale ESS sabre, Burr Brown, AKM

But its not the chips alone its also the stages and implementation that make the difference. my guess not to up in the pre/pro analog world and the prices that come with this stuff. More then I would ever spend. that is for sure, As stated this is now in the realm of the oppo105 market is 1,199$ and only handles retail content. My guess is the same people that opt for the oppo105 for retail will opt for something like the A410 pro for non retail. this is going to be a custom install type device.

I supposed I was a little bit harsh with my comment, however it would of been nice for PCH to use AKM top of the line DAC chips like the AKM4396 / 4397, which supports up to 32 bits.
post #1885 of 2288
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I supposed I was a little bit harsh with my comment, however it would of been nice for PCH to use AKM top of the line DAC chips like the AKM4396 / 4397, which supports up to 32 bits.

I agree But its also one of them things can you tell it makes a difference. Yes a 32bit dac will give you a more uniform wave but can your ears actully pick up any of the differences. Its to rich for my blood to test. But one of the good things with the A410 pro both the boards one containing the DAC and the other containing the outputs are not solid pieces. So technically there could be addons/ better DACs, different configurations. Now this is not confirmed this will happen but it leaves the option open for allowing custom setups with each device. Hopefully something like that comes to light as it would be a nice alternative and the pics make it looks like its designed for such things.
Edited by halfelite - 9/8/13 at 5:12pm
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Hi Gus,
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I supposed I was a little bit harsh with my comment, however it would of been nice for PCH to use AKM top of the line DAC chips like the AKM4396 / 4397, which supports up to 32 bits.
But keep in mind that, in the media player world, there is no source (yet) for 32-bits. The best resolution that you could feed it today would be 24-bits. In the future, maybe you could pull 32-bit FLAC music over the Ethernet, but then the entire data-path would need to be 32-bits, and the Sigma SMP8910 family processor only supports up to 24-bits.
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Originally Posted by MarkHotchkiss View Post

Hi Gus,
But keep in mind that, in the media player world, there is no source (yet) for 32-bits. The best resolution that you could feed it today would be 24-bits. In the future, maybe you could pull 32-bit FLAC music over the Ethernet, but then the entire data-path would need to be 32-bits, and the Sigma SMP8910 family processor only supports up to 24-bits.

isnt HDMI only up to 24bit and 28bit with compression like dts-hd?

I think anything bit wise audio/video will have to wait until a new gen of tech is out. I really dont see 4k and existing bluray mashing together nicely unless they come out with bluray 2.0 or something. Outside of internet streaming close source systems like the sony 4k player. I dont see them coming up with a viable distribution for higher rate content yet
post #1888 of 2288
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Originally Posted by MarkHotchkiss View Post

Hi Gus,
But keep in mind that, in the media player world, there is no source (yet) for 32-bits. The best resolution that you could feed it today would be 24-bits. In the future, maybe you could pull 32-bit FLAC music over the Ethernet, but then the entire data-path would need to be 32-bits, and the Sigma SMP8910 family processor only supports up to 24-bits.

Forgot about that. However, it would be nice to have it and not need it than to need it and not having it.
post #1889 of 2288
Comparing the oppo 105 or even the 103, the A-410 seems very low in specifications

No native resolution
No hdmi input/MHL
No 4K upscaling
No USB Asynchronous DAC
No Vertical Stretch Mod
No Dual HDMI Outputs
No Headphone Amp
No USB Audio input or Coaxial/Optical Audio input
And inferior Dacs

Like @halfelite said in media tank forum its a normal media player (A-400) with some audiophiles features.

In my opinion the price tag should be much be lower than oppo 103, something between the 300$ or 400$ but it seems its not the case.
post #1890 of 2288
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

Comparing the oppo 105 or even the 103, the A-410 seems very low in specifications

No native resolution
No hdmi input/MHL
No 4K upscaling
No USB Asynchronous DAC
No Vertical Stretch Mod
No Dual HDMI Outputs
No Headphone Amp
No USB Audio input or Coaxial/Optical Audio input
And inferior Dacs

Like @halfelite said in media tank forum its a normal media player (A-400) with some audiophiles features.

In my opinion the price tag should be much be lower than oppo 103, something between the 300$ or 400$ but it seems its not the case.

I would say that range is to low just in licensing fees my guess is 700-800 $ with what it has. In the past 7.1 analog players went for 500 $ and they used sigma internal dac.

As I said I dont see it replacing an oppo it needs to come in right under the oppo. A lof of people want something for audio That has a nice jukebox with more capabilities then just audio. If you look at the audio players your price range is around what the x10 cocktail which has a Cirus Logic - CS4353 and does not have any other options. Audio is an expensive game for the people inside it. I still see this is being not an oppo replacement but an oppo sister. Oppo for retail disc based material the A410 for anything else they want to do.
Edited by halfelite - 9/9/13 at 8:34am
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