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I am undecided as to whether to buy a PCH A-300 or the new A-400. I do not need 3D, but I do have a lot of uncompressed Blu-Rays that I want the best picture for when streamed from a NAS. . I also will want to use the NMJ Navigator. Is the A-400 worth the grief you guys seem to be experiencing over the A-300?
post #842 of 2288
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

Well it's not like this is the first media player they relesed either. It's just the strategy they use. Put the basics together, let users figure out the rest & put out fires as they comes up.

This is gradually changing though as all the low hanging fruit disappears. You can see in the thread how many people are holding out this time.
post #843 of 2288
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Originally Posted by jsinco View Post

I am undecided as to whether to buy a PCH A-300 or the new A-400. I do not need 3D, but I do have a lot of uncompressed Blu-Rays that I want the best picture for when streamed from a NAS. . I also will want to use the NMJ Navigator. Is the A-400 worth the grief you guys seem to be experiencing over the A-300?

A300 is buggy for Blu Ray playback as well (nasty HD Audio bug with DTSMA which has been out since launch). I personally wouldn't go with either until Syabas steps up and fixes these problems. Otherwise go with a Dune or Mede8er
post #844 of 2288
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

Yes, but when these problems happen in the general consumer electronics world, it makes news since it is rare. It is sad that when a product in the media player market is solid, IT MAKES NEWS! The media player companies DO NOT DO ENOUGH TESTING. I have never seen any of these companies ask US, the hard-core user community, to alpha or beta test their products for them. They also DO NOT GATHER USER REQUIREMENTS prior to development from our community.

It's not as rare as you think.

Outside of the RROD issue, if you didn't know from visiting a forum like this, or if you didn't call the manufacturer, you would have never know about most of the problems I mentioned.

I'm not excusing PCH or Sigma, I think their QA process is as poor as it gets, especially considering some of the issues are issues that existed in previous players but had been fixed, but to say that issues with other consumer electronics are rare is simply not true.
post #845 of 2288
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

A300 is buggy for Blu Ray playback as well (nasty HD Audio bug with DTSMA which has been out since launch). I personally wouldn't go with either until Syabas steps up and fixes these problems. Otherwise go with a Dune or Mede8er
If you don't need 3D I would go w/an A200 and buy the 'upgraded' case for it to take care of the heat issue. It'll be the same price as the A400 but it's a solid player.
I don't have one but check the reviews. I have an A110 and the A400 and I'm contemplating doing just that HOWEVER since my main PC is 10' from my man-cave AVR I've downloaded JRiver and XMBC software. I might opt for the $50 JRiver software as it does everything.
post #846 of 2288
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

If you don't need 3D I would go w/an A200 and buy the 'upgraded' case for it to take care of the heat issue. It'll be the same price as the A400 but it's a solid player.
I don't have one but check the reviews. I have an A110 and the A400 and I'm contemplating doing just that HOWEVER since my main PC is 10' from my man-cave AVR I've downloaded JRiver and XMBC software. I might opt for the $50 JRiver software as it does everything.

Just keep in mind that the A200 does not downmix TrueHD in an mkv (for those who connect directly to a TV and have an mkv collection)
post #847 of 2288
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Just keep in mind that the A200 does not downmix TrueHD in an mkv (for those who connect directly to a TV and have an mkv collection)

Ah- I only rip to .m2ts/.ts files so I've never experience this.
post #848 of 2288
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

If you don't need 3D I would go w/an A200 and buy the 'upgraded' case for it to take care of the heat issue. It'll be the same price as the A400 but it's a solid player.
I don't have one but check the reviews. I have an A110 and the A400 and I'm contemplating doing just that HOWEVER since my main PC is 10' from my man-cave AVR I've downloaded JRiver and XMBC software. I might opt for the $50 JRiver software as it does everything.

Neither jriver nor xbmc does everything
post #849 of 2288
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

Neither jriver nor xbmc does everything
Whatever it can't do (perhaps 3D) I can do using virtually mounted drives etc.I just downloaded them and don't have much time over the next few weeks to even play around but I did use JRiver to scrape two of my drives that have DVD rips on them and it did a fantastic job and playback is a breeze (press play) and it populates a jukebox (one for multiple drives/folders).
post #850 of 2288
For reference, the DVICO TViX M6620N HD had issues playing Blu-ray rips using SMB. Jumbo block size also caused this unit problems. Apparently turning off jumbo blocks and using NFS alleviated problems some folks were having using this unit.

Playback via IP seems to be a never ending hassle story for some folks. The Oppo 103 seems to be having its share of problems and it appears most folks think Oppo is the creme de la creme of players.
post #851 of 2288
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

It's not as rare as you think.
Outside of the RROD issue, if you didn't know from visiting a forum like this, or if you didn't call the manufacturer, you would have never know about most of the problems I mentioned.
I'm not excusing PCH or Sigma, I think their QA process is as poor as it gets, especially considering some of the issues are issues that existed in previous players but had been fixed, but to say that issues with other consumer electronics are rare is simply not true.

At least the customer has some form of resolution and solution with those other companies. With a media player company you are pretty much screwed. I guess I've been lucky. I've probably owned over 20 different TV's. Over 20 different DVD players, BD players. Over a dozen receivers and hundreds of electronics equipment costing thousands and never had real issues. Everything worked out of the box. The later years buying electronics is much easier to buy something because you can do some research online making sure what you are buying isn't a lemon.
post #852 of 2288
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Originally Posted by Opentoe View Post

At least the customer has some form of resolution and solution with those other companies. With a media player company you are pretty much screwed. I guess I've been lucky. I've probably owned over 20 different TV's. Over 20 different DVD players, BD players. Over a dozen receivers and hundreds of electronics equipment costing thousands and never had real issues. Everything worked out of the box. The later years buying electronics is much easier to buy something because you can do some research online making sure what you are buying isn't a lemon.

Yes, if you've purchased 'hundreds' of pieces of electronic equipment without issues you're lucky. Here's my streak over the last 11 years or so:

AVR's - 2 out of 5 failed completely just outside of warranty, 1 had a serious firmware issue that required replacement of the AVR. Name brands - Onkyo, Denon, and Sony.
TV's - 1 developed a serious issue less than a month after purchase, the next was the only model from that company that downscaled 720p signals to 540p, and the 3rd ran through bulbs like nobody's business. Name brands - Toshiba, Sony, Mistubishi
Bluray players - First player simply wouldn't play some discs, it needed firmware updates in order to do so. 6 months later when the firmware was finally released so I could play those discs, they broke playback on several others. - Samsung
Consoles - Bought a PS3 to replace that Samsung, PS3 #1 failed after 14 months.

But you're right, the internet IS great. You can find the class action lawsuit that Samsung just lost if you know the right search terms. With the speed that things change today, that doesn't future proof you that much though.

Feel free to google "Samsung Plasma Cracked Glass" or "Samsung peeling filter". Good times for solid electronics huh?
post #853 of 2288
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Yes, if you've purchased 'hundreds' of pieces of electronic equipment without issues you're lucky. Here's my streak over the last 11 years or so:
AVR's - 2 out of 5 failed completely just outside of warranty, 1 had a serious firmware issue that required replacement of the AVR. Name brands - Onkyo, Denon, and Sony.
TV's - 1 developed a serious issue less than a month after purchase, the next was the only model from that company that downscaled 720p signals to 540p, and the 3rd ran through bulbs like nobody's business. Name brands - Toshiba, Sony, Mistubishi
Bluray players - First player simply wouldn't play some discs, it needed firmware updates in order to do so. 6 months later when the firmware was finally released so I could play those discs, they broke playback on several others. - Samsung
Consoles - Bought a PS3 to replace that Samsung, PS3 #1 failed after 14 months.
But you're right, the internet IS great. You can find the class action lawsuit that Samsung just lost if you know the right search terms. With the speed that things change today, that doesn't future proof you that much though.
Feel free to google "Samsung Plasma Cracked Glass" or "Samsung peeling filter". Good times for solid electronics huh?



Japanese, Japanese, Japanese, Japanese and Korean... seeing any pattern here...
post #854 of 2288
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

Japanese, Japanese, Japanese, Japanese and Korean... seeing any pattern here...

You really think any of the alternatives are made elsewhere?
post #855 of 2288
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

You really think any of the alternatives are made elsewhere?

Absolutely, but they can be more expensive
post #856 of 2288
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

Absolutely, but they can be more expensive

For Audio gear sure, but for most equipment not so much.
post #857 of 2288
Installed the latest forum firmware, and now I cannot play 3d at all - 3d iso's launch and play in 2d and there's not way to force 3d.

Shuttering even of 2d on the LAN is worse than before

What a mess this player is...I've contacted the diamond designs for a full refund...

I am trying the mede8er 1000 right now, and with its raw firmware in private beta, most issues are resolved, including playback of 2d and 3d in 23.98

None of the media players I've seen can handle branching blu ray bdmv rips well, but the mede8er is showing the most promise at the point.
post #858 of 2288
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Installed the latest forum firmware, and now I cannot play 3d at all - 3d iso's launch and play in 2d and there's not way to force 3d.
Shuttering even of 2d on the LAN is worse than before
What a mess this player is...I've contacted the diamond designs for a full refund...
I am trying the mede8er 1000 right now, and with its raw firmware in private beta, most issues are resolved, including playback of 2d and 3d in 23.98
None of the media players I've seen can handle branching blu ray bdmv rips well, but the mede8er is showing the most promise at the point.

Has mede8er resolved forced sub playback yet?
post #859 of 2288
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Has mede8er resolved forced sub playback yet?

I don't believe so but not focused on that very much right now...
post #860 of 2288
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Originally Posted by Opentoe View Post

If everyone bought their Sony/Samsung/LG or whatever flat screen TV's and they acted like the Popcorn A400 player literally everyone will be returning them without a hesitation and not wait for a firmware fix. I understand having bugs and issues, but for some reason the media player market takes a whole new level of buggy. My television has a sophisticated firmware and when I bought it, it worked fine out of the box. When you buy a media player and it can't perform as a media player out of the box then that's the whole new level I'm talking about. Western Digitals media player had the chance to be huge since it was sold in big box stores and all over the place, but once again crappy programming and buggy firmware kind of put a stop to that. Not like you can go online anywhere and buy a Popcorn or Dune. I wish I could!!!

You cant compare the media player to a TV they are two totally different products with entirely different functions.......People think its easy to program and make these devices to work with many different enviornments with many different file types...I guess man of the new people are finding out that its not that easy.....

I understand what you are saying and I'm not trying to start a fight, but surely with all of their experience with their other products (the A300 as just one example) they would have a better handle on this by now.
post #861 of 2288
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Originally Posted by robnix View Post

Has mede8er resolved forced sub playback yet?

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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

I don't believe so but not focused on that very much right now...

Forced sub support and a proper video jukebox would really put the Mede8er ahead of the pack. For 3D BR playback the mede8er makes the A400 look like a joke (just based purely on my testing so far).
post #862 of 2288
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Forced sub support and a proper video jukebox would really put the Mede8er ahead of the pack. For 3D BR playback the mede8er makes the A400 look like a joke (just based purely on my testing so far).

Does it not do forced subs in dvd iso form or do they not do it in mkv?
post #863 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bluewhale1 View Post

Does it not do forced subs in dvd iso form or do they not do it in mkv?

Honestly never tested on DVDs (only have a handful of DVDs)

It doesn't do forced subs in mkv or Blu Ray folder rips / ISO (Mede8er). Haven't had a chance to test this on the A400 yet (although I believe the A300 could). I would expect the A400 won't support forced subs in BluRay folders because they are relying on BDLite, but maybe they have addressed this (on my list to test this weekend)
post #864 of 2288
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Originally Posted by jsinco View Post

I am undecided as to whether to buy a PCH A-300 or the new A-400. I do not need 3D, but I do have a lot of uncompressed Blu-Rays that I want the best picture for when streamed from a NAS. . I also will want to use the NMJ Navigator. Is the A-400 worth the grief you guys seem to be experiencing over the A-300?

Absolutely not. It is not worth the grief to be an alpha tester.
post #865 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bluewhale1 View Post

Does it not do forced subs in dvd iso form or do they not do it in mkv?

From what I remember they work fine with DVD's, but not in Bluray's with pgs subs.
post #866 of 2288
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Honestly never tested on DVDs (only have a handful of DVDs)
It doesn't do forced subs in mkv or Blu Ray folder rips / ISO (Mede8er). Haven't had a chance to test this on the A400 yet (although I believe the A300 could). I would expect the A400 won't support forced subs in BluRay folders because they are relying on BDLite, but maybe they have addressed this (on my list to test this weekend)

After talking to a friend of mine that used to do authoring, and halfelite about this, it seems the answer is yes and no....
post #867 of 2288
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Originally Posted by rx-8 View Post

I understand what you are saying and I'm not trying to start a fight, but surely with all of their experience with their other products (the A300 as just one example) they would have a better handle on this by now.

It all depends on what challenges were brought on between thier software and the new chpset the a400 is using.....I agree that some issues should ahve been a non issue or fixed long ago (especially the merging of multi drives into one jukebox) its not always as easy as wel think. Since the A400 was highly anticipated there are many new users coming to the front as well, which is good for sales, sometimes bad for support as it will take longer to get those people to give the deetailed problem reports that the PCH folks need......If this was the same chipset as the A300, and they had this time, unless something was out of thier hands, you wuld expect some to most of the issues being fixed. Sybase has tough competition especcially with Me8er as they have put out a steady stream of updates getting their player mostly bug free. The owners of the a400 can only hope that the firware fixes continue at a steady rate so that most of the major issues can be fixed (ones that are in the PCH folks hands and not the chipset SDK)
post #868 of 2288
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Originally Posted by rx-8 View Post

I understand what you are saying and I'm not trying to start a fight, but surely with all of their experience with their other products (the A300 as just one example) they would have a better handle on this by now.

It all depends on what challenges were brought on between thier software and the new chpset the a400 is using.....I agree that some issues should ahve been a non issue or fixed long ago (especially the merging of multi drives into one jukebox) its not always as easy as wel think. Since the A400 was highly anticipated there are many new users coming to the front as well, which is good for sales, sometimes bad for support as it will take longer to get those people to give the deetailed problem reports that the PCH folks need......If this was the same chipset as the A300, and they had this time, unless something was out of thier hands, you wuld expect some to most of the issues being fixed. Sybase has tough competition especcially with Me8er as they have put out a steady stream of updates getting their player mostly bug free. The owners of the a400 can only hope that the firware fixes continue at a steady rate so that most of the major issues can be fixed (ones that are in the PCH folks hands and not the chipset SDK)

Good point about the new chipset - I forgot about that. The A400 still looks like the best fit for me but I'm still going to wait until a few of the major bugs have been corrected. Thanks for the quick reply.

-- Bill --
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Originally Posted by rx-8 View Post

Good point about the new chipset - I forgot about that. The A400 still looks like the best fit for me but I'm still going to wait until a few of the major bugs have been corrected. Thanks for the quick reply.
-- Bill --

Not to mention syabas is the tester of the chip from sigma as no one else is using it. As well it was said sigma would not be done with the sdk till q3 of this year so don't give much time to perfect firmware either. If pch stays on there 1 to 2 firmware a week release I think it will be fine player soon.
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Not to mention syabas is the tester of the chip from sigma as no one else is using it. As well it was said sigma would not be done with the sdk till q3 of this year so don't give much time to perfect firmware either. If pch stays on there 1 to 2 firmware a week release I think it will be fine player soon.

What about the poor networking performance? Where does this issue lie? With Sigma?
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