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post #391 of 535
10/25/12 at 3:59pm
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Can you elaborate on that? Are you thinking that somehow I could set the max ftL and effectively prevent it from thinking it should be working up to 109%? And if so, how would I calculate what to specify for the max? I saw the option in advanced settings where you could specify the max, but wasn't sure what it could be used for. I'm curious to know.
Yes that is what I am hoping for. Either that a) it doesn't matter at all that its basing the cube work on 109% when I'm purposely set to 100%, or b) if it does matter then hopefully they can add an option to support that - or maybe it already has that. As mentioned someone did say it uses 109% "by default" so not sure if that meant it can be overridden.

I don't really know what Calman does or does require, though I recall reading 109% percent is the reference and it will dial light back until it is balanced.

If your display is linear enough and bright enough to not clip white or any one of the six colors at all, all the way out to 109% while delivering the light output you need at 100% then that is ideal. That is not always the case. Clearly the above white space is useful for many reason and that debate has been beaten to death religiously and repeatedly on this forum forever. The idea that you go dump your projector or display if it doesn't meet purists definitions is hardly a practical approach. Although we all seek perfection, many of us are trying to improve what we have. I don't thinkg from a programming perspective a user configurable selection of the reference point should be beyond the resources of SpectraCal. I went round and round on whether to pick up a Lumagen Autocalibrate C6 bundle from SpectraCal. I decided to continue on the path I was already on despite, the phenomenol value the bundles they were selling in Sept represented. It appears for me staying with ChromaPure was the right choice because light output on my display is something I don't have to spare.

My only point is that if Calman 5 3D Auto-calibration reuqires you to achieve a perfect greyscale all the way to 109% that is a design decision that SpectralCal made. My display just starts to run out of steam ,especially red at about 105% at my desired 33 plus ft lamberts for 100 % white... I would have to dial back my light output considerably to get my display not to clip at all, all the way to 109%... While there is some content in some scenes above 105% it is small and if it is not perfect at that stimulus level so be it. To me it is not worth the reduction in brightness at 100%.
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post #392 of 535
10/25/12 at 4:07pm
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I don't really know what Calman does or does require, though I recall reading 109% percent is the reference and it will dial light back until it is balanced.
If your display is linear enough and bright enough to not clip white or any one of the six colors at all, all the way out to 109% while delivering the light output you need at 100% then that is ideal. That is not always the case. Clearly the above white space is useful for many reason and that debate has been beaten to death religiously and repeatedly on this forum forever. The idea that you go dump your projector or display if it doesn't meet purists definitions is hardly a practical approach. Although we all seek perfection, many of us are trying to improve what we have. I don't thinkg from a programming perspective a user configurable selection of the reference point should be beyond the resources of SpectraCal. I went round and round on whether to pick up a Lumagen Autocalibrate C6 bundle from SpectraCal. I decided to continue on the path I was already on despite, the phenomenol value the bundles they were selling in Sept represented. It appears for me staying with ChromaPure was the right choice because light output on my display is something I don't have to spare.
My only point is that if Calman 5 3D Auto-calibration reuqires you to achieve a perfect greyscale all the way to 109% that is a design decision that SpectralCal made. My display just starts to run out of steam ,especially red at about 105% at my desired 33 plus ft lamberts for 100 % white... I would have to dial back my light output considerably to get my display not to clip at all, all the way to 109%... While there is some content in some scenes above 105% it is small and if it is not perfect at that stimulus level so be it. To me it is not worth the reduction in brightness at 100%.

As I've posted before, I have been able to setup CalMAN so when the clipping test is performed it clips at 100%. This is good for my setup. The grayscale goes from there.
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post #393 of 535
10/25/12 at 4:39pm
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I don't really know what Calman does or does require, though I recall reading 109% percent is the reference and it will dial light back until it is balanced.
If your display is linear enough and bright enough to not clip white or any one of the six colors at all, all the way out to 109% while delivering the light output you need at 100% then that is ideal. That is not always the case. Clearly the above white space is useful for many reason and that debate has been beaten to death religiously and repeatedly on this forum forever. The idea that you go dump your projector or display if it doesn't meet purists definitions is hardly a practical approach. Although we all seek perfection, many of us are trying to improve what we have. I don't thinkg from a programming perspective a user configurable selection of the reference point should be beyond the resources of SpectraCal. I went round and round on whether to pick up a Lumagen Autocalibrate C6 bundle from SpectraCal. I decided to continue on the path I was already on despite, the phenomenol value the bundles they were selling in Sept represented. It appears for me staying with ChromaPure was the right choice because light output on my display is something I don't have to spare.
My only point is that if Calman 5 3D Auto-calibration reuqires you to achieve a perfect greyscale all the way to 109% that is a design decision that SpectralCal made. My display just starts to run out of steam ,especially red at about 105% at my desired 33 plus ft lamberts for 100 % white... I would have to dial back my light output considerably to get my display not to clip at all, all the way to 109%... While there is some content in some scenes above 105% it is small and if it is not perfect at that stimulus level so be it. To me it is not worth the reduction in brightness at 100%.

As I've posted before, I have been able to setup CalMAN so when the clipping test is performed it clips at 100%. This is good for my setup. The grayscale goes from there.
I own the highest license level of both CalMAN and ChromaPure. I did autocal with both today on my Sim2 HT5000E. The results were quite similar, but ChromaPure was not quite as good overall. I used its new BT1886 and for some reason it elevated luma at 0 IRE by 5.9. The last thing I want is an elevated black level, so something is clearly wrong here. In rechecking my brightness setting, it is now clearly not right. So, something is amiss. Maybe it's just with the BT1886 gamma setting. I'll try it again tomorrow using 2.2. In prior versions CP worked ok for me.

CalMAN, in its latest version CalMAN for Business 5.0.3, worked perfectly with no loss of brightness at 100 IRE. Of course, I had adjusted my grayscale with the projector controls so that no adjustment was required by either program at 100 IRE.
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post #394 of 535
10/25/12 at 6:05pm
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I own the highest license level of both CalMAN and ChromaPure. I did autocal with both today on my Sim2 HT5000E. The results were quite similar, but ChromaPure was not quite as good overall. I used its new BT1886 and for some reason it elevated luma at 0 IRE by 5.9. The last thing I want is an elevated black level, so something is clearly wrong here.
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From my understanding, this is exactly what BT.1886 was developed for; displays with black crush... displays that don't perform well in dark scenes. BT.1886 has a "bump" in the darker regions to bring shadow detail out for these displays. I don't think you want it for a projector with good dark material performance
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post #395 of 535
10/26/12 at 1:54am
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My only point is that if Calman 5 3D Auto-calibration reuqires you to achieve a perfect greyscale all the way to 109% that is a design decision that SpectralCal

Nope we don't dictate that, the hardware does, so it's 100% and down for the radiance.

On equipment designed to calibrate the full range, we make that an option as well. Our cube workflow does include a clipping tool, optimal calibrations will ramp all the way to 109%, but if you want to clip at 235, the tool is actually very useful for that as well. It just allows you to see precisely where you clip.

CalMAN just tries to help you calibrate your gear the way you want it. We try to only ever take away an option if the hardware doesn't support it.
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post #396 of 535
10/26/12 at 6:19am
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I own the highest license level of both CalMAN and ChromaPure. I did autocal with both today on my Sim2 HT5000E. The results were quite similar, but ChromaPure was not quite as good overall. I used its new BT1886 and for some reason it elevated luma at 0 IRE by 5.9. The last thing I want is an elevated black level, so something is clearly wrong here.
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From my understanding, this is exactly what BT.1886 was developed for; displays with black crush... displays that don't perform well in dark scenes. BT.1886 has a "bump" in the darker regions to bring shadow detail out for these displays. I don't think you want it for a projector with good dark material performance
Yes, BT1886 rises out of black faster than 2.2 gamma, but shouldn't affect the end points. Gamma is how luminance changes between 0 and 100 IRE, but doesn't affect the luminance at 0 or 100. Chromapure changed luma at 0 and that's not right IMO. I notice there is a new revision on the CP site and I'll try that today.
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post #397 of 535
10/26/12 at 8:20am
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Yes, BT1886 rises out of black faster than 2.2 gamma, but shouldn't affect the end points. Gamma is how luminance changes between 0 and 100 IRE, but doesn't affect the luminance at 0 or 100. Chromapure changed luma at 0 and that's not right IMO. I notice there is a new revision on the CP site and I'll try that today.

I agree. I didn't gather that from my first reading of the post.
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post #398 of 535
10/26/12 at 9:38am
So... I don't know if it's the placebo effect or not. But I've gotten calibrations that are just jaw-dropping. I have Seabiscuit on HD DVD and it's really phenomenal on a lowly JVC RS20. Of course I have nothing to compare it to except what it used to be like. But the 3D pop and colors are amazing. When Charles Howard (Jeff Bridges) picks up his dead son's action hero book, the texture and colors on that book cover are just like having it in your hand. As a matter of fact I even noticed the lighting techniques when they used and that was a little distracting. "Oh, gee, they have a bright spot over to the left." Stuff like that.

Wow... what an advance!
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post #399 of 535
10/26/12 at 11:24am
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Nope we don't dictate that, the hardware does, so it's 100% and down for the radiance.
On equipment designed to calibrate the full range, we make that an option as well. Our cube workflow does include a clipping tool, optimal calibrations will ramp all the way to 109%, but if you want to clip at 235, the tool is actually very useful for that as well. It just allows you to see precisely where you clip.
CalMAN just tries to help you calibrate your gear the way you want it. We try to only ever take away an option if the hardware doesn't support it.

Hi Joel,

Good to know. Along these lines, I sent you an email earlier today with saved calibration data. Looks like CalMAN put in a good amount of headroom that may not have been necessary, which accounted for about 10% less luminance post-cube calibration and it moved (as a side effect) my peak white from 100% to 104%. This is all despite having just about as much luminance for all 6 colors as it should have needed.

What was most interesting is that I was able to reverse these affects by raising contrast so my peak white was back down to 100% and reclaimed most of my lost brightness. And in doing so, the grayscale, gamma and gamut (according to the Colorchecker and saturation sweeps) were not adversely impacted. Anyway the details and calibration files are in the email. I'm looking forward to your thoughts because it seems there may be an opportunity here for CalMAN to optimize the process. Either that or I've overlooked something, which is why I sent the files. smile.gif
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post #400 of 535
10/26/12 at 12:02pm
I have a Lumagen Radiance XE for sale in the classified section if anyone is interested.

- Rich
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post #401 of 535
10/27/12 at 2:52am
Here are my last two autocal 3D LUT 125 point cube/21 point gray scale. I use the Radiance Mini 3D, C6 profiles by my I1pro 2, Calman V5 Enthusiast, docking station with a RS 232 port.

Below is a 2D calibration


Below is a 3D calibrtion
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In both of these calibrations I did use the 30% and 100% IRE (2 point GS) to set those two points before running autocal.

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post #402 of 535
10/27/12 at 6:56am
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Here are my last two autocal 3D LUT 125 point cube/21 point gray scale. I use the Radiance Mini 3D, C6 profiles by my I1pro 2, Calman V5 Enthusiast, docking station with a RS 232 port.
In both of these calibrations I did use the 30% and 100% IRE (2 point GS) to set those two points before running autocal.
ss

Looks great! What display do you have? If you have the starting measurements handy that would be interesting to see (so we can gauge the amount of improvement in addition to the end results). Also can you post the post-calibration saturation sweeps?

Judging from the name of your profile, it looks like you used the 3D glasses on both the reference and trained meter? Have you found that is necessary? I ask because taping the glasses to my meter is a PITA, and if I can just do it once to create a profile, and then for all subsequent touch ups/recalibrations in the future just use the trained meter with no glasses, that's a big time savings. So I'm curious whether you do this "just in case" or whether you've tried it both ways and what you found that makes you go through the extra effort.

When you say you did the 2 point GS before the auto-cal - do you mean you set the Gain and Bias in your display based on the 100 and 30 points respectively? Or did you have CalMAN do it? If the later, are you sure that CalMAN does not just blow away all the grayscale/gamma data in the Radiance before starting an auto-cal? I would think that it would do that, in which case any work done with the 2 point GS before auto-cal would be clobbered and have no effect. Thanks!
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post #403 of 535
10/27/12 at 6:58am
Is it possible Verify Calibration step to measure the 21 grayscale/gamma points instead of just the 10? I know there are other places in CalMAN to do this and it can even be done earlier in the Workflow, but it would be nice if it was available in this step.
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post #404 of 535
10/27/12 at 7:31am
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Is it possible Verify Calibration step to measure the 21 grayscale/gamma points instead of just the 10? I know there are other places in CalMAN to do this and it can even be done earlier in the Workflow, but it would be nice if it was available in this step.

All that needs to be done is change the Grayscale Points in the Workflow Basic Options tab to 21 Point.
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post #405 of 535
10/27/12 at 8:04am
Did something break in the very latest CalMAN 5 that prevents the 3D cube from displaying all the squares and dot/targets in the CIE chart, and moving them around and leaving them on the chart as it does its work? Call me a geek, but this was my favorite part of CalMAN! Not to mention I loved seeing all 125 squares at the end of the calibration in the CIE chart and seeing how closely lined up all the markers were.

The first time I ran a cube calibration was a few nights ago, and it was on the release just prior to the latest one. I loved watching all the progress particularly with the dots being moved around on the screen. Kinda reminded me of the old DOS defrag that was fun to watch too.

Anyway, when I went to run new cube calibrations the other night, I noticed that none of the markers or targets were staying on the graph. Instead CalMAN would show the current dot and the current square target box, but right after it made the measurement, the box disappeared and so did the dot. Then it was on to the next one. Whereas previously CalMAN had left all the markers and boxes and you could see them being moved as it came back to each one to try and tighten it further.

So now I'm trying to figure out why I've lost this functionality. One thing that is different is that I am now using the latest released CalMAN. Now that its missing I don't know if perhaps this visual feature was removed, or its a bug that affects everyone, or its just me? Or maybe I changed or missed a setting somewhere? Just to be clear, I'm talking it displays all the 96 square targets inside the CIE at once and then plots the measures as dots and then move them around as the calibration progresses. Now that's all missing. All I get is one square and one dot at a time, then its gone and the next square and dot appears.

Anyone have some ideas on what's going on here? Thanks!
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post #406 of 535
10/27/12 at 8:34am
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Nope we don't dictate that, the hardware does, so it's 100% and down for the radiance.
On equipment designed to calibrate the full range, we make that an option as well. Our cube workflow does include a clipping tool, optimal calibrations will ramp all the way to 109%, but if you want to clip at 235, the tool is actually very useful for that as well. It just allows you to see precisely where you clip.
CalMAN just tries to help you calibrate your gear the way you want it. We try to only ever take away an option if the hardware doesn't support it.

Note I said "if".
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post #407 of 535
10/27/12 at 9:03am
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Note I said "if".

I was just clarifying for the record.
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post #408 of 535
10/27/12 at 2:26pm
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Looks great! What display do you have?
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Panasonic 65VT50
If you have the starting measurements handy that would be interesting to see (so we can gauge the amount of improvement in addition to the end results). Also can you post the post-calibration saturation sweeps?
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Sorry I don't copy most of the widows, just the end result. However I do find it interesting that after the CMS cube is run my grayscale remains intact.
Judging from the name of your profile, it looks like you used the 3D glasses on both the reference and trained meter? Have you found that is necessary? I ask because taping the glasses to my meter is a PITA, and if I can just do it once to create a profile, and then for all subsequent touch ups/recalibrations in the future just use the trained meter with no glasses, that's a big time savings. So I'm curious whether you do this "just in case" or whether you've tried it both ways and what you found that makes you go through the extra effort.
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No I don't use the Glasses after I profile the C6 with the I1pro 2 for a 3D calibration. Yes you are 100% right, taping the 3D glasses is a big PITA.
Why I have both glasses on that profile is because I used the 3D glasses on both the I1pro 2 and the C6 when I profiled them, I also tried to profile using just the Glasses on the I1pro 2 and not the C6.
When you say you did the 2 point GS before the auto-cal - do you mean you set the Gain and Bias in your display based on the 100 and 30 points respectively? Or did you have CalMAN do it? If the later, are you sure that CalMAN does not just blow away all the grayscale/gamma data in the Radiance before starting an auto-cal? I would think that it would do that, in which case any work done with the 2 point GS before auto-cal would be clobbered and have no effect. Thanks!
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Actually I did the RGB 2 step (30/100) in the 3D LUT workflow along with clipping. So no its not blown out, Calman uses it when you run the 21 point grayscale. And yes I use my Panasonic 65VT50 (Plasma) controls (custom mode) to set my color, contrast, brightness, temp, gamma, panel brightness and two point (30/100) grauscale.
Tonight I will use one of my ISF modes for a full 3D LUT 125 point cube/21 point grayscale. I will first try to run the calibration without doing a 2 Point grayscale given the fact that I can't use my RGB controls in my VT50 when I have my Mini 3D set as source with Calman, if that doesn't work very well then I will use Controlcal to access my ISF Control's.


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post #409 of 535
10/27/12 at 4:15pm
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Actually I did the RGB 2 step (30/100) in the 3D LUT workflow along with clipping. So no its not blown out, Calman uses it when you run the 21 point grayscale. And yes I use my Panasonic 65VT50 (Plasma) controls (custom mode) to set my color, contrast, brightness, temp, gamma, panel brightness and two point (30/100) grauscale. Tonight I will use one of my ISF modes for a full 3D LUT 125 point cube/21 point grayscale. I will first try to run the calibration without doing a 2 Point grayscale given the fact that I can't use my RGB controls in my VT50 when I have my Mini 3D set as source with Calman, if that doesn't work very well then I will use Controlcal to access my ISF Control's.

If I recall correctly, there is not a a RGB 2 step (30/100) check in the 3D LUT workflow (assuming you are referring to the 3D cube). Am I missing something here? Does this mean that you manually did this in the grayscale? Also are you 100% sure that CalMAN doesn't just blow this away when you run an auto cal? It starts by measuring 100% and then 50% which seems to be the references it wants to start with (guessing). I would be surprised if it based anything off of measures that were don't before it, but certainly could be wrong.
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post #410 of 535
10/27/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

If I recall correctly, there is not a a RGB 2 step (30/100) check in the 3D LUT workflow (assuming you are referring to the 3D cube). Am I missing something here? Does this mean that you manually did this in the grayscale? Also are you 100% sure that CalMAN doesn't just blow this away when you run an auto cal? It starts by measuring 100% and then 50% which seems to be the references it wants to start with (guessing). I would be surprised if it based anything off of measures that were don't before it, but certainly could be wrong.

Yes, if you use the top tab after you run the display profile. Then you can fine tone your display for a lot of things, like the two point RGB for 30/80, 30/100 or 30/109 or something like that. Just use the drop-down to select the one that best suites you.

Yes I am sure because i use my displays controls to set those two points, not calman to set those two points in my Mini 3D. Calman simply takes the readings so I can set the two points in my VT50. However Calman use those two points (I think) when it does run the 21 point autocal calibration and balances everything out.

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post #411 of 535
10/27/12 at 9:44pm
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Did something break in the very latest CalMAN 5 that prevents the 3D cube from displaying all the squares and dot/targets in the CIE chart, and moving them around and leaving them on the chart as it does its work? Call me a geek, but this was my favorite part of CalMAN! Not to mention I loved seeing all 125 squares at the end of the calibration in the CIE chart and seeing how closely lined up all the markers were.
The first time I ran a cube calibration was a few nights ago, and it was on the release just prior to the latest one. I loved watching all the progress particularly with the dots being moved around on the screen. Kinda reminded me of the old DOS defrag that was fun to watch too.
Anyway, when I went to run new cube calibrations the other night, I noticed that none of the markers or targets were staying on the graph. Instead CalMAN would show the current dot and the current square target box, but right after it made the measurement, the box disappeared and so did the dot. Then it was on to the next one. Whereas previously CalMAN had left all the markers and boxes and you could see them being moved as it came back to each one to try and tighten it further.
So now I'm trying to figure out why I've lost this functionality. One thing that is different is that I am now using the latest released CalMAN. Now that its missing I don't know if perhaps this visual feature was removed, or its a bug that affects everyone, or its just me? Or maybe I changed or missed a setting somewhere? Just to be clear, I'm talking it displays all the 96 square targets inside the CIE at once and then plots the measures as dots and then move them around as the calibration progresses. Now that's all missing. All I get is one square and one dot at a time, then its gone and the next square and dot appears.
Anyone have some ideas on what's going on here? Thanks!

I have an update on this... Last night I ran 5 cube calibrations. The first 4 all exhibited the problem as quoted above. The last one, however, worked great - leaving all the squares and markers up and moving them around as I expected. I'm not sure what's different about this fifth one that worked. One thing is that CalMAN crashed on me when navigating between layouts. Then when I tried to relaunch it it was stuck trying to connect to the Radiance. So I rebooted. It was after this fresh reboot that the squares and markers worked in the cube calibration.
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post #412 of 535
10/29/12 at 7:53am
Anyone got any 'before' and 'after' results yet for 3D LUT calibration?

I note 'Colorchecker' is now integrated with Calman and this should be a good guide that us without a Lumagen can in fact compare what we may achieve if we invested in a Lumagen (I use a Duo).
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post #413 of 535
10/29/12 at 8:02am
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Anyone got any 'before' and 'after' results yet for 3D LUT calibration?
I note 'Colorchecker' is now integrated with Calman and this should be a good guide that us without a Lumagen can in fact compare what we may achieve if we invested in a Lumagen (I use a Duo).

The results and level of improvement will depend on the display and how whether it tracks colors linearly well or not. The worse the display is at it, the better the results one can expect from the cubed calibration.
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post #414 of 535
10/29/12 at 8:08am
I posted this very early on:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1427834/radiance-3d-lut-5x5x5-cube-calibration-with-calman-5/60#post_22400505
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post #415 of 535
10/29/12 at 8:45am
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I posted this very early on:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1427834/radiance-3d-lut-5x5x5-cube-calibration-with-calman-5/60#post_22400505

sorry for not noticing this.

Thanks Joel for the reference.
Thanks lovingdvd for your sensible reply.
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post #416 of 535
10/29/12 at 9:44am
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sorry for not noticing this.
Thanks Joel for the reference.
Thanks lovingdvd for your sensible reply.

It was buried on something like page 3, no worries.
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post #417 of 535
10/29/12 at 10:30am
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I have an update on this... Last night I ran 5 cube calibrations. The first 4 all exhibited the problem as quoted above. The last one, however, worked great - leaving all the squares and markers up and moving them around as I expected. I'm not sure what's different about this fifth one that worked. One thing is that CalMAN crashed on me when navigating between layouts. Then when I tried to relaunch it it was stuck trying to connect to the Radiance. So I rebooted. It was after this fresh reboot that the squares and markers worked in the cube calibration.

Yes, I had the same "problems". Sometimes, you see the markers, sometimes you don't frown.gif I am not as emotionally attached as you do tongue.gif, as my laptop is small enough that I cant' figure out the 125 points scrambling together anyway cool.gif
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10/29/12 at 11:14am
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Did something break in the very latest CalMAN 5 that prevents the 3D cube from displaying all the squares and dot/targets in the CIE chart, and moving them around and leaving them on the chart as it does its work? Call me a geek, but this was my favorite part of CalMAN! Not to mention I loved seeing all 125 squares at the end of the calibration in the CIE chart and seeing how closely lined up all the markers were.
The first time I ran a cube calibration was a few nights ago, and it was on the release just prior to the latest one. I loved watching all the progress particularly with the dots being moved around on the screen. Kinda reminded me of the old DOS defrag that was fun to watch too.
Anyway, when I went to run new cube calibrations the other night, I noticed that none of the markers or targets were staying on the graph. Instead CalMAN would show the current dot and the current square target box, but right after it made the measurement, the box disappeared and so did the dot. Then it was on to the next one. Whereas previously CalMAN had left all the markers and boxes and you could see them being moved as it came back to each one to try and tighten it further.
So now I'm trying to figure out why I've lost this functionality. One thing that is different is that I am now using the latest released CalMAN. Now that its missing I don't know if perhaps this visual feature was removed, or its a bug that affects everyone, or its just me? Or maybe I changed or missed a setting somewhere? Just to be clear, I'm talking it displays all the 96 square targets inside the CIE at once and then plots the measures as dots and then move them around as the calibration progresses. Now that's all missing. All I get is one square and one dot at a time, then its gone and the next square and dot appears.
Anyone have some ideas on what's going on here? Thanks!

More issues. This time I'm getting all squares and no plot points. I've started a bug report on the CalMAN forums here for those that want to follow along: http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=4271 .
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post #419 of 535
10/29/12 at 6:01pm
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Yes, I had the same "problems". Sometimes, you see the markers, sometimes you don't frown.gif I am not as emotionally attached as you do tongue.gif, as my laptop is small enough that I cant' figure out the 125 points scrambling together anyway cool.gif

Ha! Yea I like the visual feedback. Its encouraging to see it working and gives me something interesting to do while waiting for it to finish. Its also great feedback to have at the end (when it actually displays everything right) because you see 125pts in their boxes versus the colorchecker and the saturation sweeps which have far fewer points. I am still waiting to hear back from SpectraCal about it. Hopefully they can track the bug down and resolve it.
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10/30/12 at 1:06am
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Ha! Yea I like the visual feedback. Its encouraging to see it working and gives me something interesting to do while waiting for it to finish. Its also great feedback to have at the end (when it actually displays everything right) because you see 125pts in their boxes versus the colorchecker and the saturation sweeps which have far fewer points. I am still waiting to hear back from SpectraCal about it. Hopefully they can track the bug down and resolve it.

I hear you, man. I used to watch the "dots" move around as well when I am doing HDD defragmentation. With SSD, I guess nobody is doing it anymore...
As a sidenote, I think it will also be good if we know what the colorchecker is referring to. for example, if I had a problem with "orange", what is that correspond to from a RGB triplet perspective? I need to know the RGB triplet so I can use DDC to fix that particular point.
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