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post #571 of 747
Zoyd,

Thanks for posting.

Which plasma were you using to run your test?
post #572 of 747
Sammy 51" D8000 w/ 40 ftL peak white. I would bet that this particular plasma has been measured more times than any other on the planet.
post #573 of 747
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

Jim, Is there available pattern generator with APL Patterns for 16 Million RGB Triplet Combination? No... It doesn't exist currently.

The built-in pattern generator for CalMAN supports APL and RGB triplets as do CalMAN Client 3 for Mac and PC.

Sotti, The build-in CalMAN Build-In Pattern Generator has selectable only window or full fiend sizes.
CalMAN Cliend 3 is not released yet.

I was talking about support of APL Patterns in current/released/beta versions of CalMAN we can access, not the Development version you are using.

If i'm wrong, please guide me how to access these APL Patterns from CalMAN 5 Home Theater 5.2.0.1272 Beta (Build 1272-0626.1) or CalMAN 5 Home Theater 5.1.2.1263. I don't have VideoForge or Accupel.
post #574 of 747
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

So with Current CalMAN, you can run a 16-Point Cube AutoCAL with Pseudo APL (Custom Background) or real APL (with selectable size), with Accupel 5000 or VideoForge?

5000 support is forth-comming.

I don't understand why you consider one pseudo and the other real?
If the APL is constant, the APL is constant?

The power level is selectable though.

By Pseudo APL Patterns, I mean window patterns with fixed surround/background level.
By Real APL Patterns, I mean that the surround/background level is not fixed and it's variable to meet the total selected power level.

Which of those versions of APL Patterns CalMAN can generate with:

1) Accupel
2) VideoForge
3) CalMAN Client 3
post #575 of 747
Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

If i'm wrong, please guide me how to access these APL Patterns from CalMAN 5 Home Theater 5.2.0.1272 Beta (Build 1272-0626.1) or CalMAN 5 Home Theater 5.1.2.1263. I don't have VideoForge or Accupel.

The shipping version of 5.1.2 absolutely has it.



It only uses windows/apl if you put the pop out window in full screen ("open pattern window" button).
post #576 of 747
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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

By Pseudo APL Patterns, I mean window patterns with fixed surround/background level.
By Real APL Patterns, I mean that the surround/background level is not fixed and it's variable to meet the total selected power level.

Which of those versions of APL Patterns CalMAN can generate with:

1) Accupel
2) VideoForge
3) CalMAN Client 3

I know the accupel, client 3, and CalMAN implementation all vary the background with the pattern so that a full green pattern will have a slightly magenta surround.

The VideoForge takes the APL as an argument, and I'm not certain on it's internal implementation.
post #577 of 747
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

If i'm wrong, please guide me how to access these APL Patterns from CalMAN 5 Home Theater 5.2.0.1272 Beta (Build 1272-0626.1) or CalMAN 5 Home Theater 5.1.2.1263. I don't have VideoForge or Accupel.

The shipping version of 5.1.2 absolutely has it.



It only uses windows/apl if you put the pop out window in full screen ("open pattern window" button).



Cool. This Black outline is normal, right?
post #578 of 747
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Cool. This Black outline is normal, right?

Yes the black "gutter" area is calculated as part of the APL.
post #579 of 747
Are these constant stimulus or luminance?
post #580 of 747
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Are these constant stimulus or luminance?

Constant stimulus.

So an 18% APL pattern Red, Green and Blue will add up to 18% stimulus each on average for all pixels in the pattern (surround, gutter, and pattern).
post #581 of 747
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Sammy 51" D8000 w/ 40 ftL peak white. I would bet that this particular plasma has been measured more times than any other on the planet.

Doesn't it also exhibit less ABL behavior than the Panasonics I referred to ?
post #582 of 747
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Doesn't it also exhibit less ABL behavior than the Panasonics I referred to ?

No actually, in 2011 the 30 series and D series are about the same regarding full screen peak whites. The 50 and 60 series has less ABL than the D or E series while the F series has less than everybody. It's also unclear what degree that type of ABL has on color shifts below 20% peak load where most people calibrate. In that range ABL is only minimally active if at all, but other things are going on that manipulate gamma.
post #583 of 747
Thread Starter 
There are new drivers available for CalMAN Certified USB to Serial Adapter users for their Lumagen Radiance Series Devices.

FTDI VCP CDM 2.08.30 WHQL Certified (01-08-2013) for Windows 32/64-bit

Release version

2.08.30 (July 29, 2013)
WHQL certified release.

Release Fixes

• Fixed bug that prevented remote wakeup for composite devices.

• Fixed bug causing wrong number of bytes written to be reported after a timeout.

• Fixed bug in VCP XON/XOFF flow control.

• Fixed problem connecting multiple devices to EUSB adapter.

Download Link
post #584 of 747
Thread Starter 
CalMAN 5.2.0.1307 Beta (Build 1307-0808.3) is available for download here.

Release Notes

- The JVCs are ready for testing again. We have found that cuts and gains in these projectors have a strong affect on luminance. We recommend leaving these controls at defaults if you plan on doing a full grayscale calibration.
It also appears that the CMS controls have an affect on the grayscale. With my internal testing I found I received better results if I bounced back and forth on Grayscale and CMS AutoCals. Specifically I would perform a grayscale, then CMS, then I could do a second grayscale and then a second CMS.

- Various stability and crash fixes

- There have been some updates to the Quick Analysis workflow, specifically the addition of 3D LUT and Angularity.

- Save and Exit option has been added to the Save Session dialog.
post #585 of 747
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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

CalMAN 5.2.0.1307 Beta (Build 1307-0808.3) is available for download here.

Release Notes

- The JVCs are ready for testing again. We have found that cuts and gains in these projectors have a strong affect on luminance. We recommend leaving these controls at defaults if you plan on doing a full grayscale calibration.
It also appears that the CMS controls have an affect on the grayscale. With my internal testing I found I received better results if I bounced back and forth on Grayscale and CMS AutoCals. Specifically I would perform a grayscale, then CMS, then I could do a second grayscale and then a second CMS.

- Various stability and crash fixes

- There have been some updates to the Quick Analysis workflow, specifically the addition of 3D LUT and Angularity.

- Save and Exit option has been added to the Save Session dialog.

Are the comments about the JVC specific to those who are NOT calibrating through the Radiance controls? IOW if you do not use the JVC CMS or grayscale/custom gamma but instead do everything through the Radiance then the above does not apply right?

Also was is Angularity?
post #586 of 747
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Are the comments about the JVC specific to those who are NOT calibrating through the Radiance controls? IOW if you do not use the JVC CMS or grayscale/custom gamma but instead do everything through the Radiance then the above does not apply right?

Also was is Angularity?

The issues with brightness and contrast are inherent to the JVC regardless of how you calibrate it. Raising brightness even a click will raise your black level and cause clipping, raising contrast will increase clipping and normal already clips at exactly 235. So they are just as relevant when using a radiance.

The angularity is a way to quantify off axis performance.
post #587 of 747
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

There are new drivers available for CalMAN Certified USB to Serial Adapter users for their Lumagen Radiance Series Devices.

FTDI VCP CDM 2.08.30 WHQL Certified (01-08-2013) for Windows 32/64-bit

Release version

2.08.30 (July 29, 2013)
WHQL certified release.

Release Fixes

• Fixed bug that prevented remote wakeup for composite devices.

• Fixed bug causing wrong number of bytes written to be reported after a timeout.

• Fixed bug in VCP XON/XOFF flow control.

• Fixed problem connecting multiple devices to EUSB adapter.

Download Link


BTW eeColor/ColorBox/JETI 1201/1211 are using these FTDI Drivers also. wink.gif
post #588 of 747
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Originally Posted by sotti View Post

The issues with brightness and contrast are inherent to the JVC regardless of how you calibrate it. Raising brightness even a click will raise your black level and cause clipping, raising contrast will increase clipping and normal already clips at exactly 235.

Did you calibrate it while the JVC was set to 16-235 ? ALL (!) JVC projectors of the last years exactly clip at 16-235 ! If you don't like it, you have to set it to 0-255 and set contrast / brightness to 16-235
post #589 of 747
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Originally Posted by Nudgiator View Post

Did you calibrate it while the JVC was set to 16-235 ? ALL (!) JVC projectors of the last years exactly clip at 16-235 ! If you don't like it, you have to set it to 0-255 and set contrast / brightness to 16-235

I would not recommend doing that. it has three modes for the three possible configurations, 16-235, 16-255, and 0-255. Use the appropriate mode for your desired configuration and leave the brightness and contrast controls alone.
post #590 of 747
I was owner of a HD350, X3, X30 and now of a X35. Usually the best choice is to set the JVC to 16-235 when showing BluRay and HD-TV. Sometimes its necessary to use the contrast controler - otherwise you could see some discoloration. The "default" value for the brightness was always 0, so no need to use it.
post #591 of 747
Production 073113- Cleaned up the output trigger options settings and a couple of small bugs associated with them and added an output trigger option for rs232 only.

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates
post #592 of 747
good info,On the CalMAN side, it's easy for us to add support for new 3D LUT devices.thanks bSWme9
post #593 of 747
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

There are new drivers available for CalMAN Certified USB to Serial Adapter users for their Lumagen Radiance Series Devices.

FTDI VCP CDM 2.08.30 WHQL Certified (01-08-2013) for Windows 32/64-bit

Release version

2.08.30 (July 29, 2013)
WHQL certified release.

Release Fixes

• Fixed bug that prevented remote wakeup for composite devices.

• Fixed bug causing wrong number of bytes written to be reported after a timeout.

• Fixed bug in VCP XON/XOFF flow control.

• Fixed problem connecting multiple devices to EUSB adapter.

Download Link


BTW eeColor/ColorBox/JETI 1201/1211 are using these FTDI Drivers also. wink.gif

Klein K Series Colorimeters are using Virtual COM Port FTDI Drivers too! wink.gif
post #594 of 747
Bug in latest Calman Beta release - update forth coming.
post #595 of 747
Thread Starter 
CalMAN 5.2.0.1315 Beta (Build 1315-0823.1) is available for download here.

Release Notes

- Added support for Marshall monitors

- Added the ability to upload .3dl LUT files into the IS-Mini from within CalMAN. This can be done from the 3D LUT Controls page in the DDC controls for the device.

- Fixed issue where the Radiance was being set to 11 points on connect

- Fixed issue that was calling a Full DDC Reset for any DDC Reset. This means that if you chose to perform a grayscale reset, it would reset everything, not just grayscale. This was especially an issue with AutoCal, since the first thing it does is to call a reset for the specific run type. This would cause us to wipe out settings from previous calibration steps.

- JVC Issues. There are a few things here.

First, there is an issue when switching the HDMI Input setting. CalMAN is not recognizing these changes when it comes to handling data points and Video/PC Levels. I recommend setting the Input type you wish to use prior to connecting to the projector through CalMAN. I have run across issues when performing a DDC Reset on the grayscale controls if you try to switch PC/Video levels while connected to the JVC.

DDC Reset on CMS is resetting the controls on the projector, but the reset is not being reflected in the UI.

DDC Reset is often setting the Brightness Factor setting to max. This will turn your black to white.

As a reminder, the CMS controls on the JVCs do appear to affect grayscale. We recommend repeating the grayscale AutoCal after performing the CMS calibration.
post #596 of 747
Thread Starter 
CalMAN Driver Pack 2.4 is available for download here.

The SpectraCal Device Driver Kit v2.4 contains a wide assortment of drivers for supporting meters, sources, and displays with CalMAN:

AVFoundry VideoForge
SpectraCal C6
SpectraCal C3
FujiFilm IS-mini
X-rite i1Pro, i1Pro G2, Chroma 5, etc.
Quantum Data QD780, etc.
Konica Minolta CA-210, CS-2000
Photo Research PR-6xx
Runco

As well as others.

Release Notes:

FujiFilm IS-mini Device Driver
Updated driver for USB-UIRT
Updated driver for FTDI USB Serial Converter
post #597 of 747
Thread Starter 
Lumagen Radiance XE/XE+/XE3D/XS/XS+/XS3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D Series New 081913 Firmware Update

Release Notes

Small improvement in accuracy for extrapolating 3D color gamut from video min/max to digital min/max. A couple other small rs232 additions/fixes.

Download Link
post #598 of 747
Thread Starter 
CalMAN 5.2.0.1319 Beta (Build 1319-0830.5) is available for download here.

Release Notes

There aren't a lot of changes in this build.

- Resolved issue where cuts and gains controls in the following displays were defined as 2 point grayscale instead. This would cause poor calibrations in those situations.

Panasonic BT300, VX100/200/300
Christie FHD
Digital View displays
The Sharp PNV was also affected. However, it currently has some other issues that we are working on.

- Resolved issue which could cause CalMAN to crash when connecting to a JVC projector.

A couple of known issues:

- The issue with PC levels and the JVC projectors is still there

- When calibrating to a standard which requires a black point reading (BT1886) on a device which has a 0% point adjustment (JVC), CalMAN will not take the required black reading at the start of AutoCal. Taking that 0% reading manually before starting AutoCal will give the expected results.
post #599 of 747
Forgive this question if the answer is obvious.... is the cheapest processor with 3D LUTs the Lumagen 3D mini? I don't need an video processing or switching, just looking for an affordable way to try out 3D LUTs.
post #600 of 747
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Forgive this question if the answer is obvious.... is the cheapest processor with 3D LUTs the Lumagen 3D mini? I don't need an video processing or switching, just looking for an affordable way to try out 3D LUTs.

Is the eeColor Box (or something like that) still available for $600? It's a LUT only box.
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