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post #601 of 747
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Forgive this question if the answer is obvious.... is the cheapest processor with 3D LUTs the Lumagen 3D mini? I don't need an video processing or switching, just looking for an affordable way to try out 3D LUTs.

if you don't need VP, then we got the eeColor as the perfect option.

LUT box only with more powerful 3D LUT features, it processes 65^3 LUT's

US$680.00 incl shipping - might be a bit cheaper if shipped to US address.

- M
post #602 of 747
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

if you don't need VP, then we got the eeColor as the perfect option.

LUT box only with more powerful 3D LUT features, it processes 65^3 LUT's

US$680.00 incl shipping - might be a bit cheaper if shipped to US address.

- M

How long does that take to calibrate with Calman and the i1D3 meter?
post #603 of 747
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Forgive this question if the answer is obvious.... is the cheapest processor with 3D LUTs the Lumagen 3D mini? I don't need an video processing or switching, just looking for an affordable way to try out 3D LUTs.

Is the eeColor Box (or something like that) still available for $600? It's a LUT only box.

You can order eeColor for 650$ (+Shipping) here.
post #604 of 747
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

How long does that take to calibrate with Calman and the i1D3 meter?

You would still need a pattern generator though correct?
post #605 of 747
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Originally Posted by njfoses View Post

You would still need a pattern generator though correct?

Oh... riiiight... how I take that little detail for granted.
post #606 of 747
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

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Originally Posted by njfoses View Post

You would still need a pattern generator though correct?

Oh... riiiight... how I take that little detail for granted.

Soon, there will be available a solution, without using internal software or external hardware pattern generator, using your actual blu-ray player or media player as a pattern generator for 17-Point Cube Profilings using my upcoming Disk.

Details can be found here & here.

ps. This solution is not working currently with CalMAN but if CalMAN @ the future will feature fixed pattern order for 17-Point Cube, I can easily add support to my disk for CalMAN Calibrations.
post #607 of 747
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Originally Posted by Iron Mike View Post

if you don't need VP, then we got the eeColor as the perfect option.

LUT box only with more powerful 3D LUT features, it processes 65^3 LUT's

US$680.00 incl shipping - might be a bit cheaper if shipped to US address.

- M

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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

You can order eeColor for 650$ (+Shipping) here.

Thanks gentlemen!

I'm going to research the eeColor box vs. Radiance further this weekend. I honestly did not realize I'd (typically) need a pattern generator to take advantage of 3D LUTs. Currently I'm using CalMAN 3.7, a Chroma 5 and S&M#2 test disc.
post #608 of 747
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post


Thanks gentlemen!

I'm going to research the eeColor box vs. Radiance further this weekend. I honestly did not realize I'd (typically) need a pattern generator to take advantage of 3D LUTs. Currently I'm using CalMAN 3.7, a Chroma 5 and S&M#2 test disc.

Yes, to take the measurement to create the LUT, you need a pattern generator.
post #609 of 747
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Yes, to take the measurement to create the LUT, you need a pattern generator.

Would it still be necessary if the device includes a LUT for my display? I have the Elite PRO151FD.
post #610 of 747
The whole point of getting all this equipment is to calibrate your particular individual display in your environment. Using settings from other's calibrations can be worse than not doing anything... at least in the projector world. You really do need some way of generating known patterns.
post #611 of 747
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

The whole point of getting all this equipment is to calibrate your particular individual display in your environment. Using settings from other's calibrations can be worse than not doing anything... at least in the projector world. You really do need some way of generating known patterns.

Exactly.

Most people are under the illusion that all Displays of a similar model have exactly the same characteristics regarding the function of all the adjustable controls.
The point is these controls are adjustable because the printed circuit and chip circuits they are part of are individually unique despite being typical of the same model.

Manufacturing techniques have not yet reached the stage where individual components within assemblies are guaranteed to be exactly the same.
They have tolerances which affect the assemblies they are part of.

Hence the good advice to calibrate and not copy settings.
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post #612 of 747
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post


Thanks gentlemen!

I'm going to research the eeColor box vs. Radiance further this weekend. I honestly did not realize I'd (typically) need a pattern generator to take advantage of 3D LUTs. Currently I'm using CalMAN 3.7, a Chroma 5 and S&M#2 test disc.

You're also going to have to upgrade to Calman 5.2.0 - plus one of the newer Beta's if you're so inclined. Calman 3.7 does not have the 3D LUT 125 Point capability!
post #613 of 747
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Lumagen Radiance Configuration Utility Version 1.6 for the XD/XE/XS/Mini/20XX (support for new 729 point CMS in 20XX series)

This is a PC windows application useful for several tasks:

• backup/restore your setup by downloading/uploading to your PC.

• share your configuration with other users or Lumagen to solve problems.

Instructions: Connect your PC up to the Lumagen via the RS-232 port and run the utility. Note, you must have sw version 061508 or newer loaded on the Radiance for the utility to talk to it.

Download Link
post #614 of 747
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

The whole point of getting all this equipment is to calibrate your particular individual display in your environment. Using settings from other's calibrations can be worse than not doing anything... at least in the projector world. You really do need some way of generating known patterns.

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Originally Posted by PE06MCG View Post

Exactly.

Most people are under the illusion that all Displays of a similar model have exactly the same characteristics regarding the function of all the adjustable controls.
The point is these controls are adjustable because the printed circuit and chip circuits they are part of are individually unique despite being typical of the same model.

Manufacturing techniques have not yet reached the stage where individual components within assemblies are guaranteed to be exactly the same.
They have tolerances which affect the assemblies they are part of.

Hence the good advice to calibrate and not copy settings.
.

Yes, I'm very aware that settings should never be copied. I've calibrated dozens of displays and typically know what I'm doing smile.gif I was thrown off regarding the comment about "creating" LUTs. I don't have a pattern generator. I use one of my OPPOs + a test disc, i.e. S&M#2.
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

You're also going to have to upgrade to Calman 5.2.0 - plus one of the newer Beta's if you're so inclined. Calman 3.7 does not have the 3D LUT 125 Point capability!

Yep, I figured as much, my CalMAN is very old!
post #615 of 747
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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

Lumagen Radiance Configuration Utility Version 1.6 for the XD/XE/XS/Mini/20XX (support for new 729 point CMS in 20XX series)

This is a PC windows application useful for several tasks:

• backup/restore your setup by downloading/uploading to your PC.

• share your configuration with other users or Lumagen to solve problems.

Instructions: Connect your PC up to the Lumagen via the RS-232 port and run the utility. Note, you must have sw version 061508 or newer loaded on the Radiance for the utility to talk to it.

Download Link

We wanted to make sure we could get it fully validated, the beta that went up on monday infact already had support for the 9x9x9 calibrations.

http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4933
post #616 of 747
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post


Yes, I'm very aware that settings should never be copied. I've calibrated dozens of displays and typically know what I'm doing smile.gif I was thrown off regarding the comment about "creating" LUTs. I don't have a pattern generator. I use one of my OPPOs + a test disc, i.e. S&M#2.
Yep, I figured as much, my CalMAN is very old!

Version 3: Totally stressful trying to use (Turns hair grey - if you have any left!)
Version 4: Stress levels coming down!
Version 5: + updates and Betas - Faster , less stress and much better results
post #617 of 747
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Is the eeColor Box (or something like that) still available for $600? It's a LUT only box.

In my signature

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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Yes, to take the measurement to create the LUT, you need a pattern generator.

You can use CalMAN internal patterns. Just check x & y against patterns from a disc to verify the video card is set up correctly.
post #618 of 747
Thread Starter 
Lumagen Radiance 20XX Series (2021, 2022, 2041, 2042) New 090113 Firmware Update

Release Notes

Fix for the Output Copy command which would incorrectly copy new 9x9x9 CMS resulting in funky colors for the copied CMS's.

Download Link
post #619 of 747
Thread Starter 
CalMAN 5.2.0.1324 Beta (Build 1324-0913.3) is available for download here.

Release Notes

Resolved an issue that would cause the installer to stop if the Windows Firewall service was disabled.

Resolved an issue on Panasonic displays where Cuts and Gains would be reset at the start of a multipoint grayscale AutoCal.

JVC internal patterns are now working for Standard, Super White, and Enhanced settings.

Added support for the NA and EU Panasonic WT600 displays.

Added a new algorithm for interpolating the interior of a 3D LUT. This should help keep the grayscale more consistent and should provide a smoother, more artifact free image.

We now support both a 9x3 and 9x5 cubes on the Radiance 20xx series along with the 9x9.

About the new algorithm

While our internal testing has had good results, there are so many variables involved that we really need feedback on this from the field. Every display behaves differently, so the more displays (and processors for that matter) this gets tested on, the better.

Additional notes on the JVC

So, I seem to be getting some inconsistent behavior with the JVCs at the moment. Sometimes I can run through an entire calibration without a problem. Sometimes I see odd behavior.

A few of the items I have run into:

Part way through a calibration, the DDC controls for a multipoint grayscale or gamut will zero out and things go downhill from there.

Changing the setting for HDMI Input (Standard, Super White, or Enhanced) does not always reflect in CalMAN's available datapoints. Current work around is to either set it on the projector before connecting to it in CalMAN or to disconnect CalMAN from the projector and then reconnect.
post #620 of 747
I have a SIM2 Lumis 3D-S and recently got it hooked up with an eeColor Pro CMS processor that supports 65x65x65 3D-LUT. The results are truly amazing, and even better than what I had from earlier with a Lumagen with 5x5x5x 3D LUT. I now use the Lumagen only with 3D frame packing signals and the eeColor for the rest.
post #621 of 747
Radiance 090313 FW Update available

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates
post #622 of 747
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Radiance 090313 FW Update available

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates

For which Radiance models?
post #623 of 747
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Radiance 090313 FW Update available

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates

For which Radiance models?

This Firmware Update has been released 8 days before, Check Here
post #624 of 747
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

For which Radiance models?

Click on the URL and pick your Model.

090213 FW update to correct 090113 error for the 20XX Models.

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiance20XX_updates
Edited by p5browne - 9/24/13 at 9:53am
post #625 of 747
Thread Starter 
Lumagen Radiance XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D + Radiance 20XX Series (2021, 2022, 2041, 2042) New 091013 Firmware Update

Release Notes

Fixes 480p and 576p reinterlacing and may clean up other video mode detection issues ( broken from 0618-0903. )

Download Link
post #626 of 747
New Radiance FW Update 092013 for the Radiance 20XX:

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiance20XX_updates
post #627 of 747
Thread Starter 
Lumagen Radiance XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D New 092113 Firmware Update

Release Notes

Fixes issue for some DVI displays not working in 041613-091013 firmware. Small improvement to the report generated by the rs232 input mode change command under Other: I/O Setup/RS-232 Setup.

Download Link
post #628 of 747
Thread Starter 
Lumagen Radiance XE/XE+/XE3D/XE/XE+/XE3D/Mini-3D/XD/XD3D + Radiance 20XX Series (2021, 2022, 2041, 2042) New 100113 Firmware Update

Release Notes

Fixes issue causing slow or no detection of hdmi sources using negative polarity (fairly unusual). Several audio issues fixed.

Download Link
post #629 of 747
New Calman 5.2.0 RC1 Build #1351 is now available:

http://consumer.spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4978

Notes:

These are the full list of changes from 5.1.2 so there's going to be some repeat.


You will notice three additional workflows called Monitor - Introduction, Monitor - Standard, and Monitor - Advanced. These are the new CalMAN RGB workflows that will be available to Enthusiast, Ultimate, and RGB license levels. These workflows require the CalMAN Client 3. I will be posting once Client 3 is available. Expect it to come in the next couple of days. These are not the final workflows. They are still going through some flux.
All JVC issues should be resolved. Please let us know if that's not the case.
Take a look at the note below in regards to FTDI drivers.


New Features


Introducing 3rd generation AutoCube Technology with Volumetric Interpolation.
Added support for the FujiFilm IS Mini.
Added support for the JVC RSx6 series projectors.
Added Unaligned AutoCal for the JVC RSx5 and RSx6 series projectors.
Note: The CMS controls do affect grayscale. Recommended workflow is to calibrate grayscale, CMS, and then repeat grayscale again.
Added support for Marshall monitors.
Added the ability to upload .3dl LUT files to all 3D Cube capable devices.
Note - The settings on the display tab must be set to the devices native bit depth for 3D LUT Calibration Points.
Added support for the NA and EU Panasonic WT600 displays.
Added support for the Radiance 20xx series. This supports both 5x5 and 9x3, 9x5, and 9x9 cubes. This requires latest firmware.
Added support for APL patterns on the Accupel 5000.
Added new unit options: fc and lux.


Resolved Issues


Resolved issue with shifting text in multi-line user fields (cousin to the happy dancing banana bug).
Resolved issue with the IR Editor. It is now working again.
Resolved issue where changing the Output Type on the VideoForge II would force the device into Standard Definition.
Resolved issue where cuts and gains controls were being defined as 2 point grayscale causing issues. This affected the following displays:

Panasonic BT300, VX100/200/300
Christie FHD
Digital View displays
Note: This is still an issue with the Sharp PNV.

Updated the FTDI SDK included with CalMAN. The older SDK would cause problems with the newer FTDI driver. This affected the following devices:

Accupel 5000
basiCColor Discus
Klein K10-A
SpectraCal Colorbox and eeColorbox
Quantum Data 780
FTDI based RS232 to USB adapters
Resolved issue where Customer email field was missing in the Customer Database UI.
Resolved issue where CalMAN was unable to bring up Test Card and RCA Test Card patterns on the VideoForge II.
Resolved issue where the Control license did not have access to the IR Editor.
Resolved pattern generator issues on the DVDO VP50.
Resolved issue with the Auto Axis setting on the Gamut Luminance chart where it would not scale properly on restore of a workflow.
Resolved issue where switching between PC and Video levels multiple times would cause CalMAN to bring up wrong pattern levels.
Resolved issue where meter notes were not displayed if the meter has a Units selection option.
Resolved issue with the internal pattern generator with the JVC RSx5 and RSx6 series. You can now use it for all modes and the results should now be consistent with an external reference pattern generator.


Changes


Performance increase in the CalMAN UI.
Modification to the Quick Analysis workflow (Added 3D LUT and Angularity layouts).
Modification of the SI Pro workflow.
Made modification to the Plasma table on the C3 meter. We adjusted this based upon a larger sample of plasma displays and should make it more accurate.
Save and Exit has been added to the Save Session dialog.
Edited by p5browne - 10/14/13 at 10:12pm
post #630 of 747
Calman RC1a Build #1355 now available:

http://www.spectracal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=4984

CalMAN 5.2.0 Changes:


The Accupel 5000 no longer crashes. However it looks like we're not bringing up APL patterns yet. Instead we bring up windowed patterns. I'd like it if our Accupel 5000 customers can confirm this behavior. I'm also asking for volunteers who are willing to provide log files.
The Display\Grayscale Data Points and Display\Cube Data Points datafields are now working properly.
The AVFoundry VideoForge II is now network discoverable. This requires new firmware that is not yet currently available.

Known Issues

You can currently set a non 20xx model Radiance to 9 points. If you have this set to 9 points and click AutoCal, you will be stuck in an infinite error loop and will have to kill the CalMAN process to get out of it.
The Sharp PNV is having issues with AutoCal.

If you have an issue that was reported in the previous thread and it is not addressed here or wasn't addressed in that thread, its still on our list to look at.

CalMAN RGB

CalMAN RGB is the next generation of CalPC. This is based on CalMAN 5 and the new CalMAN Client3.


The three RGB workflows are included in the CalMAN installers and have been updated from the ones in the previous RC. Existing CalMAN 5 users do not need to install the RGB Full installer.
Client 3 on the PC requires Windows Vista or higher. Windows XP is not supported.
Client 3 on the Mac requires OS X 10.7 or higher.
Edited by p5browne - 10/16/13 at 9:22pm
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