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post #391 of 556
11/30/12 at 8:22am
Obviously loaning preloaded servers is a stop gap measure to sell more 4K panels before 4K material is readily available with a play back vehicle. But dealers will be able to do great demoes with it and end users can show their purchase off to the friends etc. Obviously one is not going to watch one of those movies 28 times etc but it is enough content for the above purposes and I expect Sony will be releasing an ES 4HD player in the next year with disc content. I am really excited about the coming CES to find out.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/30/12 at 8:09pm
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post #392 of 556
11/30/12 at 3:50pm
This sounds like a temporary solution until an official standard optical disk players are out. Anybody remember D-VHS by JVC?
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post #393 of 556
11/30/12 at 8:12pm
Its been confirmed, the temporary Sony servers will not be loaned or otherwise be made available to 1000ES owners.
Edited by mark haflich - 12/1/12 at 6:33am
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post #394 of 556
11/30/12 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Its been confirmed, the soiny temporary servers will not be loaned or otherwise be made available to 1000ES owners.

But if one so happens to have the means to have both a 1000ES AND the Sony TV, could one hook-up the 4K server to the 1000ES?
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post #395 of 556
12/1/12 at 3:41am
First 4K complete distribution and playback system:

The REDRAY 4K player + ODEMAX distribution system.
Price; $1450, pre-orders up. Delivery starts late December.
ODEMAX distribution details launch at Sundance film festival in January.
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post #396 of 556
12/1/12 at 6:40am
I wonder if they will put the film cover art on the back of the flash drive ?

Art
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post #397 of 556
12/1/12 at 6:46am
That redray machine is VERY tempting at that pre-order price. Internal battle ensues...

Dan
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post #398 of 556
12/1/12 at 6:54am
Ahh.. haven't been following but what is content cost and when can you watch day and date releases to theater? Same day?
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post #399 of 556
12/1/12 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

I wonder if they will put the film cover art on the back of the flash drive ?
Art
Regular content distribution will be solely net based by Odemax. No distribution via flash drives, unless you have a friend visiting that has his own .RED encoded material on a flash drive he want to show you, playing it back on your RedRay player or RedRay Laser projector that has the player internally.
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post #400 of 556
12/1/12 at 7:52am
There is no word on what content will be available for red ray on odemax. My guess is that at least sony won't release their movies for it and probably most of the major studios will wait and see how popular the device becomes. Studios won't either like that there is no approval process for indie movies so they can be sold and bought as easily as studio produced movies. My guess is that for the first year there will be almost entirely only indie movies available, very few will be eager to pay 1,5k for a device that can only be used to watch indie movies.
I have a feeling sony will release something similar in the next 6 months to a year and have at least their own movies available for it.
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post #401 of 556
12/1/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

I wonder if they will put the film cover art on the back of the flash drive ?
Art

Art. I have no words here but you might want to get some help. smile.gif
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post #402 of 556
12/4/12 at 4:24pm
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I'm sorry, what does this mean ?
Art

For RedRay, I was just getting my prediction in before the big announcement. Despite the hype, I didn't think they would have Hollywood content. To fill the content gap, I thought they would enticing anyone who owned a Red camera capable of shooting 4k to upload their home made / independent content to a server (simiar to youtube), which the RedRay install base could download and watch. So not content most people would care about.

For Sony's list of movies, I listed the critics composite score from the movie review site RottenTomatoes. They call that the "tomato meter score". 1% is worst, 100% is best. My point was other than a couple classics, it's a fairly lousy list of movies at least as far as the critics were concerned. So not content most people buying a 4k projector would care about.

As far as the screenshots, other than the lack of screen door effect, I think the 2k screenshot looks better than the 4k (upscaled) screenshot. It looks sharper. I spent my fair share of time watching nature parks, movie trailers, and the Beauty of Japan because it was in ultra high resolution (at the time) 1080i. I can't get excited about repeating that for 4k, which means I will probably be upscaling for quite a while. If 2k content looks better on a 2k projector, that's significant. I realize it's just one set of screenshots, understand the problems with screenshots, but it's an interesting data point on the topic the none the less
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post #403 of 556
12/5/12 at 1:36am
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But if one so happens to have the means to have both a 1000ES AND the Sony TV, could one hook-up the 4K server to the 1000ES?

that's what I would think but I suppose it depends on the third party server Sony is providing having an HDMI.
Edited by mark haflich - 12/5/12 at 4:40am
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post #404 of 556
12/5/12 at 3:49am
Worlds largest LCD TV (110" 4K) at CES.

Westinghouse teases 110-inch 4K (4096×2160 pixels) LED TV, promises more details at CES

From March; Shenzhen-based China Star Optoelectronics Technology Co Ltd., a subsidiary of TCL Corporation have recently unveiled the world’s largest 4K 3D TV.
Samsung owns a 15% stake in the manufacturing plant.
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post #405 of 556
12/5/12 at 5:46am
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Worlds largest LCD TV (110" 4K) at CES.
Westinghouse teases 110-inch 4K (4096×2160 pixels) LED TV, promises more details at CES
From March; Shenzhen-based China Star Optoelectronics Technology Co Ltd., a subsidiary of TCL Corporation have recently unveiled the world’s largest 4K 3D TV.
Samsung owns a 15% stake in the manufacturing plant.

I see here:

http://multimedia.tcl.com/en/news/main.do?method=Detail&mappingName=News_Company&id=8af8e39137bf8630013a628a691d0321

...that samsung is 15% owner of an 8.5 generation panel plant, but is it the same plant making the China Star 110" ?
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post #406 of 556
12/5/12 at 5:56am
That 110" development is going head to head with the JSC (Just Sit Closer) technology...

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post #407 of 556
12/20/12 at 2:52pm
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To put Sony's release of the media server in perspective, when there was NO HDTV content, Mitsubishi offered a device, much like a server to dealers with HD content. JVC and Mits both offered videotapes (yes, videotapes) to demo HD. And at that time many were saying HDTV will never have content:) I believe we will be seeing a lot more 4k content available in a short time.

Thanks to our broadcasters here in Europe there was HD acquisition at the Atlanta Olympic games, the Americans weren't interested. Yes Analog HD Tape (Philips system) in the case of the NOS OB on show at IBC ('96 I believe), after it was fitted with a digital system, so we could see the chroma noise in the analog system, compared to the digital system. There is talk of 4K broadcasts (not the limited US English definition;-)) in 2014 by various satellite outfits like Sky Deutschland.
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post #408 of 556
12/20/12 at 2:57pm
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Worlds largest LCD TV (110" 4K) at CES.
Westinghouse teases 110-inch 4K (4096×2160 pixels) LED TV, promises more details at CES
From March; Shenzhen-based China Star Optoelectronics Technology Co Ltd., a subsidiary of TCL Corporation have recently unveiled the world’s largest 4K 3D TV.
Samsung owns a 15% stake in the manufacturing plant.

Anyone remember the previous Westinghouse CES 4K LCD, 2006, so should have been there for 6 years, so it is even more of an delay than all the RED products combined, LOL.
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post #409 of 556
12/20/12 at 6:32pm
Anybody remember the old Westinghouse slogan, You can be sure if its Westinghouse and that Westinghouse use to and maybe still does manufacturer pressurized water nuclear reactors? there most famous one was at Three Mile Island Pennsylvania and it held despite the operator mis operation. Man they really tried to make that thing completely melt down.
Edited by mark haflich - 12/20/12 at 11:28pm
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post #410 of 556
12/20/12 at 8:07pm
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Anybody remember the old westinghouse slogan, You can be sure if its Westinghouse and that Westinghouse use to and maybe still does manufacturer pressurized water nuclear reactors? there most famous one was at nime Mile Island Pennsylvania and it held despite the operator mis operation. Man they really tried to make that thing completely melt down.
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That was 3 times worse than 3 Mile Island. wink.gif

Did you mean 9 Mile Point Nuclear Station in NY?
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post #411 of 556
12/20/12 at 8:50pm
My dad worked on that nuke plant for 3 years ( NY ).

Dan
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post #412 of 556
12/20/12 at 8:50pm
Point two
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post #413 of 556
12/20/12 at 11:38pm
Hi Dan. i meant 3 Mile Island.I was a regulatory attorney for the Atomic Energy Commission which became the Nuclear Regulatory Commission from 1971 to 1973. One of my jobs was to represent the regulaory staff in a long adversarial adjudicatory on the record but not formal hearing for the establishment of the emergency cooling standards for the boiling water and pressurized water reactors. That rule stood without change or reactor melt down for 30 years. A book on that rulemaking is being written a the Nuclear Regulatory commission historian. No one that participated in that rulemaking is still working at the commission so they called me in for a six hour interview regarding it. Vic Stello, one of my good friends and witnesses at the hearing, was sent to three mile Island island right after the accident and he figured out what was needed to be done to prevent melt down. The operators were misinterpreting the data and were doing the exact opposite. If they did the right thing, the whole mess would have been avoided. Vic was killed several years back when he lost control while skiing and smashed into a tree..
Edited by mark haflich - 12/21/12 at 10:46am
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post #414 of 556
12/21/12 at 3:35am
all good, it was the first time I've ever had Nine mile point x mentioned in any form of conversation. I thought it was interesting since my dad (electrician) worked on the construction of Nine mile point 2 for 3 years while I was a kid- I remember going to the visitor's center and learning about nuclear power when I was 6. We lived in Phoenix and my brother and I played hockey in Fulton. I was just reliving a period of my youth.

Now, back to 4K projectors, etc. I've looked at the Sony DCI you've mentioned on the UK site: does anyone else find it odd that the 515 uses UHP lamps instead of xenon? Not that the use is ineffective (we have the Titan that has the yellow notch filter) for accurate whites- just seems that Sony was all about xenon a few years back, and the lamps for a Barco aren't that expensive- relatively speaking.

Just thought it was a little odd.

Dan
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post #415 of 556
12/21/12 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by donaldk View Post

Anyone remember the previous Westinghouse CES 4K LCD, 2006, so should have been there for 6 years, so it is even more of an delay than all the RED products combined, LOL.
Back then the manufacturers focus for the future shifted from 4K to 3D sets.
Samsung is said to also show a 110" 4K TV at CES.
Most likely sourced from the same Chinese (TCL) mainland manufacturer (where Samsung owns a stake).

OLED is put on the backburner for a couple of years.

Netfix to start streaming 4K movies in the spring of 2013.
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eyeOS will be available in beta form for larger enterprises in the spring of 2013.
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post #416 of 556
12/21/12 at 10:50am
10 bit, not 12 but certainly a lot better than 8. What this mean with respect to the Redray player and Odemax? There is so much going on it boggles whatever little is left of my mind.
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post #417 of 556
12/21/12 at 10:53am
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My dad worked on that nuke plant for 3 years ( NY ).
Dan

I may have done either the construction permit or operating permit hearing for nine mile point. I remember doing a one day hearing in upstate NY for one plant. It was probably a construction permit because i didn't ever go to a plant up there. I mostly did boiling water plants where GE was the vendor.
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post #418 of 556
12/21/12 at 6:30pm
I stopped by the Sony store in Beverly Hills to take a quick look at their 84” 4K set, and once again liked what I saw. I generally felt the image was superior to the LG, but not by much – it seriously could be nothing more than the demo material each was running.

When I asked the rep about their plans for 4k content, there was not a lot of info that we don’t already know. They did not have the server on display, but talked about all the 4k content the server contains.

Beyond that, he said that going forward ALL Sony films will be made available via the server – new films, in addition to their massive catalog of titles they’ve been gradually remastering in 4K for bluray release. He dodged a few other questions, in advance of “announcements” to be made next month (which I took to mean CES).

So basically the Sony server sounds a lot like the Redray, the major difference being the content Sony will be able to offer.

Really looking forward to CES 2013!


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post #419 of 556
12/22/12 at 8:29am
He dodged not because he knew. He dodged because he didn't know.
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post #420 of 556
12/22/12 at 10:48am
I will wait till Sony fixes issues with lens and mainly the price. A Sony 4k for 15k is not too far from now.
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