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@Mark Haflich:

I don't know if it was in this thread but I read that your neighbor would be getting that 4k box from SOny for his 84" LCD.
How is the status for that- does he already have a delivery date for the box?

He is not a neighbor. He's a forum member. I haven't asked him if he got it yet but I will send him a PM.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/19/13 at 11:10am

Must have remembered that wrong then. In any case I would really love to hear a more definite timeline.

Oliver. You are not wrong. He is a friend but not a neighbor. But Fed Ex and UPS have offered to get it from him to me for a modest shipping fee.

Seriously, he has not yet received the panel or the Sony server and they (undefined) are telling him sometime in February, with both shipping together.


I am glad the display industry is not responsible for complex projects like launching a rocket, putting a satellitte into orbit, maintaining life, and safe return.

The industry seems like a comedy. Let's make 4K panels. OK Here are some. What about content? Duh, We forget about that. People want content before they buy it. Well, duh, tell em to use their computers and send in the geek squad to set it up and teach them down loads yada yada. That what we do here in the lab.

Tell you what. How do we demo it now at shows. W we use a server. Duh, then lets sell them a server preloaded with content. We can get our studeo to give us at least that. But we don't have small servers. we can majke them but given our complete lack of thinking any of this through, its gonna take a while. Duh. Then we will just rent a bunch, load them up, and give them to our panel buyers on a free lease until we can sell them something content wise and a means of sending it to their 4K display. And yea, we need to be first. No problem. Even if we are not first, we can just say we were

Arround here we eat Serrano ham, no baloney.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/19/13 at 11:09am

Great, February is not that far away, looking forward to hear you impressions as to how it looks on the VW1000ES!

Yes, the whole "rollout" seems a bit rushed but then as you correctly point out we SHOULD have some software to go with our 4k hardware so better to do something now instead of waiting for another year or two before making a move.

Sucks when somebody pokes holes in your agument ?

No content....its useless.

Cable and satellite providers can not even get 1080p
so this 4k is a pipe dream.

Have fun

Oh and I see somebody spouting content over the internet................no thats funny.

Getting good 1080p content over the net is a challenge.

Little sheep follow along.......................

Bandwidth.....bandwidth..................whether over the internet or cable or sat.


No content gonna happen until this is fixed and right now there doesn't exist a way to do this.


Have fun watching proprietary content for the foreseeable and possible future.

No point in continue the endless Trolling based on your lack of knowledge.

The 4K consumer displays (except the Sony VW1000 projector) have still not reached peoples homes, so the delivery paths have still some time for testing.
Better that you inform yourself than exposing your ignorance in these trollposts.

I help you out a little to get you educated.

April 9, 2012 ULTRA HDTV The satellite Astra 2B
Sept 11, 2012, IBC; Sony and Astra test transmit UHD over satellite.
January 11 2013, Eutelsat provides Europe's first ultra HD channel
Watch Eutelsat's Ultra High Definition demonstration channel on EUTELSAT 10A at 10° East:
These transmissions will be much more effective when HEVC/H.265 and the new MPEG codec is finalised later this year.

REDRAY ® with Odemax 4K over the internet delivery and playback system launching and shipping very soon.

Sony shipping a server system to buyers of their 84" UHDTV to tide them over until their delivery system launch in the summer.

My guess for Sony's 4K/UHD content delivery will be the Playstation 4.

So yes; Contrary to your claim it can be done, it's being done from multiple companies and will get better during 2013.

Cool. Technological change is hard to accept for many. Many get heavily vested in a particulat technology, say 1080p display technology, and convince themselves that it is all they will need for ever. They will be little change and oppose it.

We see a lot of this now, even by err press experts.


You need a really big screen or 4K is wasted. They have no real knowledge of bit length, data rates, though they seem to comprehend wider color spaces and that's the way 4K will like be pushed. more pixels, thats an eay concept, 8 million and then much more colors, double the area on the CIE graph or better yet diagram.

But many who are financially vested, and all of us are to some extent, will be uncomfortable with the change and tend to belittle it.

I agree that some technological changes are difficult to accept. For me, most of the changes difficult to accept are when technologic advances lead to reduced quality. i.e. music and streaming video. I am EXTREMELY excited about the upcoming internet delivery and playback server system. I am EXTREMELY wary of streaming HD, let alone streaming UHD. I am already so disappointed in streaming HD from internet, cable, satellite on a big screen.

I agree with you completely. Particularly re audio. Unfortunately, the mass of the music population doesn't care, their lifestyle is portability and quantity and headphones endorsed by Simon (yeah right Sony, brilliant move). Audio quality doesn't matter, its perfect digital. In video, the danger lies in the economics, using spectrum in the old days. How did we get low def HD? 720p and 1080i. Political decisions made by congress based on industry economic concerns. Fortunately, over the air is going away for those in certain high population areas. Screw the rurals.

Its still economics but its based on the potential consumers willingness to pay.

I have purchased the Redray player. i will hook it up to Odemax if that ever becomes a reality though I have my doubts. Nothing out of Sundance. Zippo.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/20/13 at 8:26am

Safe to say there should have been the word, "not" in that first sentence?

No. Cable is replacing over the air in high density areas. Sat too but the sat people would have to devte space to 4K and they seem to value more channels over better video.

I'm must be mis-reading this. I don't understand. Why would that fortunate, and do you have a link for it? I find it surprising, and I can't find it anywhere, and I want to know if it's a trend that will continue.

Last I checked, the OTA's were increasing in number and the cable/sat companies were eying it warefully.

A dissent:

I value free, over the air TV especially PBS.

I don't care much about cable TV (though I'm forced to pay for it in my condo monthly bill).

4K is not a big deal -- the actual programming far more important.

Frankly, 720p looks pretty darn good with a good source (as long as it's not projected to very large sizes.

What i am trying to say is that we I think won't ever see 4k and even 1080p over the air. More and more of the country is being wired for cable and by that I include optical such as FIOS. While over the air is free, I think that wired willl support and offer 4HD. And I think sat will offer it also as has been experimentally demoed in Europe.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/21/13 at 11:26am

At present I find satellite  (DirectTV) to give noticeably higher PQ than COMCAST cable that I had for many years.   Have no idea, of course, as to how this will evolve with 4K sources.

I still say the RCA Capacitance Electronic Discs (CEDs) are the maximum resolution any one can see; vastly superior to any than any thing available. And the audio of 8 track tapes is the highest the human ear can discern.

Seriously, there is content coming; I've heard these comments since since CD and dvd introduction. I would think some one probably said the same things when Edison's cylindrical recordings were replaced by the phonograph record.

That may not happen. Because of licensing, (blame Hollywood, not Sony) the servers may be product specific; there are agreements that the end user must adhere to, and it is possible that it will not work on the VW1000ES. In fact, dealers are not allowed to display the end user server, because of content rights.Dealers will have a special edition (re: no movies).

Different markets, different PQ; in our area there is no discenable difference, yet I have had projects in other areas where the difference is quite noticable. I would venture to say that it is the Comcast PQ that fluxuates.

Typo by me. I meant to say that they will belittle change not that the re won't be a lot of change. Of course 4HD is coming.

Red has stated that their coming someday Redray player will work with the Sony. And obviousyt the Sony server will work with the Sony.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/26/13 at 2:37pm

I was looking at 4K for a future upgrade of my Pio PDP-6010. Well it has just started cutting off now with the protection circuit kicking in every 30 min or so. So following the CES this year I heard the new Sony 84 inch ran for 25K. I like it alot and the size is a improvement on 60". I was looking previously before at 70" to 80" range. Now the interesting thing is the set now is on sale in Japan for Y1,680,000 yen. The yen rate has been going up lately which helps so getting it here in Japan automatically saves me 6,000 right off the top. Sound like a good way to go? I don't see any reason to buy a 1080p TV then have to change to a 4K so they only option would be fix (if possible) my 6010 until prices drop some on the 4K sets?

If coming from a 60in RPTV, I would just buy a new model 84in LED 1080P and be done. I saw some at Costco last night that looked quite good.

4K content will be very limited for years and at 80 inches, it's a waste. Yes I k now you can see it in an A/B comparison close to the screen but at a typical home viewing distance it's not going to be visible. The folks here jumping on the 4K bandwagon are hard core enthusiasts. But you don't sound like one of them and don't be fooled into thinking that 4K material will be on the shelves at Wall Mart in a couple of years. It's not going to happen.

i have bought more Blurays than the number of times I have been in a Costco or Walmart. Though when Best Buy goes bust, those two establishments might become America's video showrooms. God save America.

Yeah I know some videophiles would never buy a TV at Costco just on principal. But a Samsung WQ5XYZ TV (fake model number) is the exact same model no matter who sells it. Might as well pay the lowest price.

Brandsmartusa ad 1-27-2013

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LG model 84LM9600

3D 84" Class 2160p Cinema Ultra HD 240hz LED Smart HDTV with wifi......3840x2160 lines of resolution.

Price today :

Just a shade under 17k

www.brandsmartusa.com

Mark

This could make resolution sort of a non-issue: http://hometheaterreview.com/university-of-bath-has-a-way-to-replace-pixels-that-would-revolutionize-all-video-as-we-know-it/

I've been wondering about this some. Perhaps this is what's behind the Samsung/LG price fixing thing of late. In the LG case, they stated that it would help the brick and mortar stores. Perhaps it dawned on everyone that if BB goes bust, there aren't any really large chains of places to view the higher-end sets. That would hurt the manufacturers, particularly since it might spawn off more returns from people surprised by this or that detail in the set.

I'm also wondering----could this give rise to entrance fee showrooms? Pay $5 to see all the TV's on display, etc.?

Sony VPLGT100 4k projector dual display port input for 4096x2160 resolution at 60 frames per second

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-projectors/cat-ultrahires/product-VPLGT100/