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post #511 of 557
3/1/13 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by bleair View Post

Maybe you have a different dev kit, but even if you did I'm sure you can't talk about it anyway. smile.gif

So I think you're proposing that Sony will sell triple/quad-layer blu ray data discs that could then be copied onto the hard drive in the ps4 for playback? Or did I misunderstand your comment?

What we know publicly is:
- Sony is being very "price sensitive" on the ps4.
- We also know their company vision of the future is "streaming" for as much of the living room experience as possible.
- Their corporate culture is one where many different team work completely independent of each other (and often they don't share efforts). Occasionally the do come together, and it's great but it seems to be the exception. I've noticed this more often in their pro divisions - e.g. see the F65

My personal experience is that streaming 4K content is possible, but man, it is a lot of data. Of course h.265, as well as h.264 compressors, are improving every month, so we might look back in a year or two and laugh at the bandwidth used by streams back in 2013... It's interesting times for sure.

http://www.redsharknews.com/distribution/item/455-beamr-claims-up-to-75-reduction-in-h-264-bitrates-and-works-with-4k

No Pure Data disks, 2 layer Current BD, 2 disks per movie title or more as required, containing movie Data, not directly playable, decoded by the player either prior to placing the disk data on the hard drive or after.

Watch this:

Edited by Highjinx - 3/1/13 at 3:44pm
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post #512 of 557
3/16/13 at 9:10am
Maybe I missed it but so far I have not read one report on this forum of somebody who has seen the 4k movie server from Sony in action.
Is that because they haven't been delivered yet or is there not enough interest in 4k?
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post #513 of 557
3/17/13 at 9:58am
I cannot speak for others, but I'm still awaiting my Sony 84" 4K, with the 4K server. Personally, I'm in no hurry, it's primarily a game room TV.

(I assume others are waiting as well.)


Jim
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post #514 of 557
3/17/13 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

I cannot speak for others, but I'm still awaiting my Sony 84" 4K, with the 4K server. Personally, I'm in no hurry, it's primarily a game room TV.

(I assume others are waiting as well.)


Jim

Thanks,did they tell you how long it would take? A 4k game room TV is really a bit over the top biggrin.gif
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post #515 of 557
3/17/13 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

Maybe I missed it but so far I have not read one report on this forum of somebody who has seen the 4k movie server from Sony in action.
Is that because they haven't been delivered yet or is there not enough interest in 4k?




And sadly, here in Europe, we dont get the server ( even if you buy the 84 ") mad.gif , so we must waite for the PS4 solution or maybe we get lucky and get the "buy a server/HDD 4K solution" later - like in US this summer !?


dj


BTW

The deliverings time for the 84" should be arround 3- 5 weeks ! how long have you been waiting, JlgLaw ?
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post #516 of 557
3/17/13 at 11:14pm
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

And sadly, here in Europe, we dont get the server ( even if you buy the 84 ") mad.gif , so we must waite for the PS4 solution or maybe we get lucky and get the "buy a server/HDD 4K solution" later - like in US this summer !?

I think it will be a question of having a working solution somewhere else before anything officially comes to Europe.
Early adopters will probably be forced to import, not that this was anything new...
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post #517 of 557
3/18/13 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

Thanks,did they tell you how long it would take? A 4k game room TV is really a bit over the top biggrin.gif


I keep being told a couple/few weeks (been told that twice, and originally was told sometime in February.)

I try and keep up with the latest tech, even if it's real "value" is questionable.smile.gif Frankly, I've never seen as good an image as I'm seeing with the DPI Titan I recently installed, so I'm sure I'll be fine with 2K in my theatre for quite awhile. The Sony caught my eye because it fits nicely in a recessed wall area of the kids game room, and the it throws an excellent image.


Jim
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post #518 of 557
3/18/13 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

I keep being told a couple/few weeks (been told that twice, and originally was told sometime in February.)

I try and keep up with the latest tech, even if it's real "value" is questionable.smile.gif Frankly, I've never seen as good an image as I'm seeing with the DPI Titan I recently installed, so I'm sure I'll be fine with 2K in my theatre for quite awhile. The Sony caught my eye because it fits nicely in a recessed wall area of the kids game room, and the it throws an excellent image.


Jim

I had also heard February so I hope they will at least make it in March.
You got to promise that you will report back when you get it, at least try and watch some of the 4k movies at about one screen width away, it should look rather good smile.gif

I have heard great things about the DPI Titan, so I see you are a happy customer, too!
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post #519 of 557
3/18/13 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

I think it will be a question of having a working solution somewhere else before anything officially comes to Europe.
Early adopters will probably be forced to import, not that this was anything new...

Alas you guys get an Eutelsat 24/7 4K demo channel.smile.gif
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post #520 of 557
3/18/13 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Alas you guys get an Eutelsat 24/7 4K demo channel.smile.gif

If only we did! To make a long story short so far I have heard of nobody who could get this programming without recording 4 separate streams on 4 separate TV cards and afterwards recombining all 4 - not even sure how this could be done... So right now we are waiting for a TV card or TV settop box that allows us to actually watch this content. I have to admit though that I am not excited that much anyway as I really think that we need movies and sports in 4k and possibly at a later point TV series shot with 4k cameras and currently we are getting none of that.
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post #521 of 557
3/21/13 at 10:53am
As most may be aware of, Netflix has announced 4K delivery. And there are many others. So it does appear we will see digital streaming before we see widespread discs; makes sense, as Hollywood is really embracing streaming. Netflix "promises" within 2 years; however it is their goal to stream 4K in ONE year. Netflix will address customers bitrate caps (or choking) by using its proprietary Open Connect content delivery network (CDN).Sony will be releasing a new 4k server, meant for the masses this summer. So, say hello to 4K.
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post #522 of 557
3/21/13 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

Maybe I missed it but so far I have not read one report on this forum of somebody who has seen the 4k movie server from Sony in action.
Is that because they haven't been delivered yet or is there not enough interest in 4k?

Rodolfo La Maestra has seen some content, but not from that platter-shaped thing; it is a very interesting article.

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2013/03/living-with-4k-here-is-the-4k-content.php

Mark
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post #523 of 557
3/21/13 at 10:32pm
Thanks, interestingly this guy also did not get to see the movie server but their usual demo server with the now standard demo sniplets (rockie mountain train, Spiderman etc.). The only thing that is relatively new there seems to be the Skyfall trailer which by several acounts is rather underwhelming. I would question his choice of seating though - too far away to take it all in for the non-scope material.
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post #524 of 557
3/24/13 at 10:11am
I have the Sony 4K video player as supplied by Sony and shipped with my XBR-84X900 display.
Here is a stock photo of the unit.
As you can see Sony has shipped the 4K video player installed in a Dell XPS 8500.
They have added an optical disc reader and a 4K ready video card
The system runs Windows 7 Ultimate and is completely locked down providing no access.
The 4K player system is fanless and other than its intrusive size and shape makes no noise
You cannot customize or access the player at all.
Access to the player is only through a Sony supplied Experia tablet running their customized 4K remote program.
A more thorough user review of the Sony 4K player, and the supplied 4k videos to follow


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post #525 of 557
3/24/13 at 12:17pm
NOW it gets interesting biggrin.gif

I wonder how Sony ascertains that the server only outputs 4k to the XBR-84X900 and not for example to a VW1000ES projector?

In any case I look forward to your impressions! Of the titles that come with the server do you have any of these on Blu-Ray? That certainly would provide an interesting comparison.
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post #526 of 557
3/24/13 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

NOW it gets interesting biggrin.gif

I wonder how Sony ascertains that the server only outputs 4k to the XBR-84X900 and not for example to a VW1000ES projector?

In any case I look forward to your impressions! Of the titles that come with the server do you have any of these on Blu-Ray? That certainly would provide an interesting comparison.
It will be a user review not a professional review
The 4K player, and the display link by wired ethernet or wireless plus HDMI. The tablet links by IP wireless. There is some kind of authentication as the display and the player recognize each other and the tablet also has a authentication from the player. I had to have my original player replaced by Sony ( I will detail that later ) and the second one had no problem pairing and connecting as soon as it recognized it was an XBR-84X900 . Probably some authentication in the networking. They have the networking locked so at this point you cannot access any of the networking except to set up the IP address etc.

And yes, I have several of the Sony supplied movie files on Blu Ray and on BDMV folder rips on a Popcorn Hour media server which I have compared.

Here is a review of my XBR-84X900 done by Jeff Meier of AccuCal Home Theater Services


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Originally Posted by umr View Post

I worked on one of these last week. Here is a link to my review of it. http://homecinemaguru.com/?p=3655
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post #527 of 557
3/24/13 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

It will be a user review not a professional review
The 4K player, and the display link by wired ethernet or wireless plus HDMI. The tablet links by IP wireless. There is some kind of authentication as the display and the player recognize each other and the tablet also has a authentication from the player. I had to have my original player replaced by Sony ( I will detail that later ) and the second one had no problem pairing and connecting as soon as it recognized it was an XBR-84X900 . Probably some authentication in the networking. They have the networking locked so at this point you cannot access any of the networking except to set up the IP address etc.

And yes, I have several of the Sony supplied movie files on Blu Ray and on BDMV folder rips on a Popcorn Hour media server which I have compared.

Here is a review of my XBR-84X900 done by Jeff Meier of AccuCal Home Theater Services


Thank you, very interesting, especially the process of locking the server to the Display.
And it looks like you have everything calibrated and set up to perfection so to me it doesn't matter that you will not post a "professional" review, which in my experience can be hit and miss anyway.
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post #528 of 557
3/25/13 at 6:22am
Regardless of how functional it is, at first glance this seems like a desperate "deadline doom" stop-gap measure. A gigantic XPS8500, complete with the Dell logo? Good grief.

From pure aesthetics alone, this to me is a very cringe-worthy pairing.

Trying to sell a sleek panel along with the phrase "oh by the way, this anchor drives it"...
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post #529 of 557
3/25/13 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Regardless of how functional it is, at first glance this seems like a desperate "deadline doom" stop-gap measure. A gigantic XPS8500, complete with the Dell logo? Good grief.

From pure aesthetics alone, this to me is a very cringe-worthy pairing.

Trying to sell a sleek panel along with the phrase "oh by the way, this anchor drives it"...

As this is controlled by a tablet I see no reason why this couldn't be put out of sight.
And I am sure that those who do not want it can use the panel without putting up with the movie server.

Of course using a big Dell to play back the 4k content seems surprising but it is all a means to and end and Sony is the only studio that currently delivers even though it is only for a very limited client base. I hope that Sony will offer the same for their VW1000ES customers soon.
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post #530 of 557
3/25/13 at 11:46pm
Am I pointing out something that someone else has already mentioned? If so, apologies. But check out this story on Netflix and 4k content:

http://channelnews.com.au/Content_And_Management/Industry/P2U3J2V9
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post #531 of 557
3/26/13 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by madaudio View Post

Am I pointing out something that someone else has already mentioned? If so, apologies. But check out this story on Netflix and 4k content:

http://channelnews.com.au/Content_And_Management/Industry/P2U3J2V9


Always good to read about, and it probably has valuable information, but it is a hack article. The first paragraph is my first clue:
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The superior quality of 4K is unequivocally the future of television. The standard delivers footage four times clearer than Full HD and to enjoy it you don't need to look ridiculous (yep, I'm talking about you 3D).
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post #532 of 557
3/26/13 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Always good to read about, and it probably has valuable information, but it is a hack article. The first paragraph is my first clue:

Agreed the writing from this site has often been either hypercritical or completely non-critical, frequently anything but reflective or analytical. (Often also riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, and sometimes torturous phrasing, suggesting hurried writing and no proof-reading.) But leaving aside the reporting style, just thought it interesting (if true) that Netflix envisages being able to effectively stream 4K content within the next two years.
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post #533 of 557
3/26/13 at 11:23pm
The Sony Dell is just a kludge LOANED to Sony 4K panel owners as a way of stimulating sales. When Sony comes out with its internet server solution sometime this summer, lendees will have to return the Dell and buy the new server. The server will based on best info work with the Sony 1000ES as well.
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post #534 of 557
3/27/13 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

The Sony Dell is just a kludge LOANED to Sony 4K panel owners as a way of stimulating sales. When Sony comes out with its internet server solution sometime this summer, lendees will have to return the Dell and buy the new server. The server will based on best info work with the Sony 1000ES as well.

I don't blame them for this stop-gap measure at all. I'm just remarking on how hastily it must have been conceived for it to necessitate a desktop anchor. In this day and age. I can speculate that it's truly the best bet at this point for having everything reliably together, including a large-storage hard drive and whatever video card worked best. But jeepers.
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post #535 of 557
3/29/13 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Alas you guys get an Eutelsat 24/7 4K demo channel.smile.gif

And therefor SES has also anounced a demochannel.
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post #536 of 557
3/29/13 at 11:23am
Seriously guys. Is 4K "happening" faster than we thought maybe 5 months ago?

Are we going to see 4K TVs at semi-sensible prices by/on black friday?
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post #537 of 557
3/29/13 at 12:07pm
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Seriously guys. Is 4K "happening" faster than we thought maybe 5 months ago?

Are we going to see 4K TVs at semi-sensible prices by/on black friday?

Hard to say. I would have thought lamps would be replaced by LEDs in all home theater projectors by now.
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post #538 of 557
3/29/13 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Seriously guys. Is 4K "happening" faster than we thought maybe 5 months ago?

Are we going to see 4K TVs at semi-sensible prices by/on black friday?

Perhaps, and the Seiki SE50YU04 @$2,000 (50-inch, 4K LCD TV) looks promising, at least based on the price:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1459631/seiki-releases-ultrahd-flat-panel-for-2000/0_100

Mark
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post #539 of 557
4/3/13 at 12:37pm
Not interested! Not over paying. But I am more interested in sound anyway.
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post #540 of 557
4/3/13 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

I have the Sony 4K video player as supplied by Sony and shipped with my XBR-84X900 display.
A more thorough user review of the Sony 4K player, and the supplied 4k videos to follow

Any news about the 4k movie quality?
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