Official OPPO BDP-103/BDP-105 Anticipation Thread - Page 43

Thanks - as I said all firewalls are disabled. There is no physical firewall, OS or software firewall. I can access the shares with my laptops no problem on the same wireless network. I can also access my computer using oshare and windows media streaming with no problem. The only issue is connecting with SMB on my oppo -works fine on my laptop accessing my workstation. My video shares are set up properly as they are accessible from other systems. Guest account of course has been disabled for security reasons.

So you actually got it to work with your oppo 103? If so what OS are you running and did you login pc\username or just username as you suggested above? Is your PC part of a domain or a workgroup? Are you using wired or wireless. I know it shouldn't matter as my wireless shows the oshare and windows share and my wireless is not acting as a physical firewall but I'd still like to know the nature of your system if you got it to work.
Edited by boe - 9/30/12 at 8:52pm

I think someone needs to start an official BDP103 thread. I would but mine is on the slow boat from China.

Thanks - yes if you read my rambling post you'll see I did try that. Linux, OSX and Windows use a different version of SMB so I'm wondering if that is the reason it works for you. AFP seems to work a little better in some cases between them because of that.
Edited by boe - 9/30/12 at 9:00pm

Getting the SMB shares working can definitely be a frustrating exercise, but it does work and I have it working pretty nicely. To address some of your questions:

1) Yes, I've got it working with the Oppo.

2) I'm running Windows 7 x64.

3) The login is simply by username and password.

4) My PC is part of a workgroup. I previously had my PC's in a homegroup and had much better success once I got rid of the homegroup.

5) I'm using a wired network connection, but that definitely shouldn't matter. If you're seeing your PC's show up on the Oppo, then it's not a matter of wireless.

I was in the same boat as you where shares were working just fine between PC's, but the Oppo (and my Dune HD) couldn't see them. It took some messing around with settings to make it work, but it does work.

Here are some suggestions:

- In Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Network and Sharing Center\Advanced sharing settings, go with the following settings in the "Home or Work" section:

• Turn on network discovery
• Turn on file and printer sharing
• Turn on sharing so anyone with network access can read and write files in the Public folders
• Use 128-bit encryption to help protect file sharing connections (recommended)
• Turn off password protected sharing
• Allow Windows to manage homegroup connections (recommended)

Some of the above setting probably don't really matter one way or another, but I suspect that "Turn off password protected sharing" may be one of the key settings, based on the description for it.

- When you setup a share, make sure you setup both the share permissions (under advanced sharing) AND the Security settings so the intended user(s) has access under both. Without this set properly, it could explain some of the problem you're running into.

I know it stands to reason that if you can get to the shares from other PC's you must have sharing setup properly, but there's something funky about the SMB sharing when the other end isn't a Windows box. I also have a Dune HD and ran into the exact same problems getting my SMB shares to show up on it, so the confusion definitely isn't something that's specific to the Oppo player.

Give the above suggested settings a try even if they aren't your ideal settings from a security or preference standpoint. Once you get the shares to work, you can experiment with tweaking the settings to your liking. Also consider temporarily giving Guest access to a share - it's easy enough to disable it again after trying it.

Finally, on one of my PC's the SMB shares disappear once in a while (on both the Oppo and Dune HD, but work fine from other PC's) and the only way to get them back is to reboot.

Yes. Now you've got it.

The problem we were just discussing above is that HDMI 1 -- the logical choice for a single cable output -- won't carry HDMI DSD for SACD playback. It always uses HDMI LPCM for SACDs. So if you WANT HDMI DSD -- and have an AVR that accepts that and "does the right thing" with it -- then you should ALSO cable HDMI 2 to a 2nd input of that AVR.

For normal viewing you use the HDMI 1 input only. For SACD DSD playback you set your AVR to use the other input, i.e., use HDMI 2 only. Either way, there's only 1 cable in use at a time, so the Split A/V vs. Dual Monitor setting is ignored.
--Bob

That would be a bug in the receiver (or incorrect setup of the receiver).

Yes, if you can't get your receiver to "do the right thing" with the video part of the signal, then use dual cables from the OPPO with HDMI 1 going direct to the display to bypas the receiver for video.

But that's unusual. MOST receivers -- even inexpensive ones -- can be set so they don't damage the video going through them (for the resolutions and video formats they accept at all).

So check of course, but presuming you are not trying to do a type of video your AVR can't handle (3D being the usual culprit) there's no problem having video go through the AVR once you've got the settings right in the AVR.
--Bob

The new Digital Media Renderer DLNA support may give you an alternate way to do that now. We need to see how folks take advantage of that.
--Bob

Re post 1210 from Racosnicek

Thanks, Racos

Yes, I have actually used the ABC's iView watched a few episodes of "Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries" and caught up on a couple of missed docos (have my newest pc permanently hooked up via hdmi to my Home Threatre gear). JB HIFI have also started up a large (1,000,000+ tracks) of music streaming (nowhere can I find their actual sample rate - I note that MOG claims "at up to 320kbps".

I have a vague (all my memories are vague these days!!!) of similar services from some of the commercial tv broadcasters offfering similar.

Thing is, how about Oppo try to include these for the Oppo AU model???? That way I don't need to have the pc turned on, only the Home Theatre gear.

Patience. It's coming. For now, please keep the discussion in here.
--Bob

I just tried pointing my BDP-103 at a share on my Windows 8 laptop. It was a no go. I had already tried everything you mention above, plus setting share permissions, plus setting NTFS file permissions, plus the old "Network security: LAN Manager authentication level" setting (for getting XP clients to access shares on Vista PCs). None worked. The BDP-103 displayed a log in error every time. But when un-sharing the directory, Windows reported that 1 client was connected -- and that client could only be the BDP-103.

I still suspect that it might be the NTFS file access permissions (ACLs), and that I didn't find the correct settings to make it work. But I probably won't bother trying any further, as my files sit on a Linux server (which the BDP-103 happily accesses).

Thanks - I tried all of your suggestions - even turned on guest and tried to use it. I also created a new admin account with user name a and password a as typing in my credentials each time was painful since it doesn't retain it unless you have a successful login. I triple checked each of the times you listed and all were changed to your exact settings - - previously guest was disabled, password protected sharing was on. I did triple check my security settings on both the share security and OS security for the share and everything is correct. I also tried a wired connection - no luck. I'm trying to eliminate the probably and improbable for the login failure. Since it can't even log in with Guest, I think the issue lies somewhere else. And yes, I am absolutely sure there is no firewall between the two of any kind. I even rebooted my PC and Oppo. My network is currently set for Home, I tried changing it to work, no change.

I do appreciate your attempt at getting it working for me.

Do you know what firmware you are running? I noticed it says something about you and beta so I'm wondering if you might have different firmware that is allowing smb to work on your windows.
Edited by boe - 9/30/12 at 11:06pm

^ I wonder whether it might be the old nonsense about Windows wanting HEX values for passwords instead of normal text (a la Wifi setup inWindows)?
--Bob

My old ASUS O!Play Air box can't access the Windows-based share either. So this is probably not an Oppo issue, but a general Windows one.

I haven't spent too much time fiddling with it, but I haven't had success mounting my ReadyNAS either. It asks for a username/password, even though I have guest access on (and other devices, like my PS3s, access it fine as a guest).

That would depend on which unit does the better job of DSD->LPCM conversion. Trust your ears not a cable count.

If you can hear a difference in DSD -> LPCM conversion in the player vs. it happening in the receiver -- where the same audio processing is happening to that resulting LPCM in both cases (same post processing, same volume level, etc.) -- I'd say that you've found a bug in one or the other. I.e., it can happen, but it's not the EXPECTED outcome. The bug could either be in the way one of them does that conversion, or it could be in the way the receiver treats HDMI LPCM input (which would impact other content played via LPCM as well).

One of the Beta Testers has a receiver with that 2nd problem. It just doesn't do well with HDMI LPCM input, regardless of the originating content. Bitstream and Analog input work fine. Some gear just has strange behavior. But that's not an indictment of LPCM input in general.

This is the same debate as to whether there's a reason to prefer Bitstream decoding in the player vs. in the receiver. I.e., it's not SUPPOSED to matter -- the results sound identical or the difference is due to a bug rather than some sort of "better" way of doing the decode.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/1/12 at 2:56am

I do know, but not sure if I'm allowed to say . I'm pretty sure the firmware version I'm using right now is the same as the current public version that the rest of you are using. But success with accessing SMB shares hasn't changed for the last several firmware versions in beta test land.

Like you, I found it an exercise in frustration getting SMB shares to work, but had the exact same problem getting my Dune HD to work with them too. I actually bought the Dune out of that frustration as I had gotten to the point where I felt I had nothing else left to try and wanted a second SMB client that wasn't a Windows PC but I knew should work properly with SMB shares to test with. After I got the Dune and ran into the same problems, I spent several hours one afternoon fighting with what should have been the correct settings until I finally got it to work. I honestly don't know what combination of settings changes, reboots, and swearing finally got it to work, but what I listed above in my previous post are my current settings. I really hate saying that as the software engineer in me would like to know EXACTLY what change(s) did the trick, but all I can suggest at this point is to keep at it as that's what worked for me.

I suppose something that's worth trying, especially if you don't have many shares setup on that PC, is to turn off ALL sharing functionality - stop sharing any shares you have setup, go into control panel and turn off all sharing functionality. Reboot the PC. Now turn sharing back on in control panel. Reboot the PC again. Setup a single share, giving it the proper permissions under advanced sharing, and the appropriate NTFS shares (if applicable) under the Security tab in the folder properties. Reboot the PC again. Now see if you can access the share on the Oppo.

Thanks I'll give it some more tries today. I'm thinking it is something else other than share permissions but general acess period. I believe if my shares weren't set up properly it would just show empty folders. No matter what I try even with guest and a blank password I get
"Log in error
Please verify the username and password."

I'm wondering if there is something on the oppo I need to change. On the dune, you can change the connection to an IP, you can change between TCP and UDP and speficy the share.

On the oppo it shows my workgroup under network sources including my oshare and windows media server sources.
I select workgroup and it has me select photo, music or video.
I select video and it prompts me for a username, password and if I want to save the password.

I don't see any place to change IP, Share or anything else like you can on the dune but it could be I'm not looking hard enough. Again, there are no firewalls of any kind on my workstation right now, it is completely neked

I should probably have mentioned - I am able to connect an hp scanner to my system using SMB so other devices besides windows can access my windows system.
Again though I see more control over the destination than I do on the Oppo - but that could be because I haven't looked hard enough on the oppo

This how my hp accesses it
Location of the share
[\\10.10.2.202\scans]
Domain
[using pc name]
user name
password

FYI, I do notice the oppo sometimes lists my PC by name under sources, sometimes it only shows the workgroup name. I'm not changing anything on the PC when it flip flops between the two.
Edited by boe - 10/1/12 at 6:23am

Does the diagnostic port have constant voltage? I would like to use this as a voltage source to a MSC-400 CONTROLLER.

can anyone confirm that Oppo 103 can still play movies and audio files from Hard Disk drive or usb drive??

Welcome to AVSForum.

It does. I'm sure OPPO's web page and online manuals have details.

What specifically interests you? The FAQ has a list of supported containers and file types: What are the supported media container and file types?

-Bill

thanks a lot Bill....

I have Oppo 93 for about 3 months only and is considering if I should upgrade now. I do a lot of movie from HDD and was told that this feature to watch movie directly from HDD is removed from 103 (sounds silly, isn't it?) so would like some confirmation.


I was wondering too, I am considering buying a 4k projector, can I do upscaling from Bluray disc to 4k on my projector???


thanks again....

can anyone confirm that the new oppo's play SACD-R still

thanks a lot

Reason asked because I was told that the feature to watch movie from HDD is removed (sounds silly, isn't it?)

I have Oppo 93 for three months and wondering should I upgrade it. I watch a lot of movie from HDD (I live overseas so I have no access to Netflix or Vudu features)

also, I am considering buying a 4k projector, will Oppo 103 be able to upscale movies to 4k on projector screen??

thanks again

Yes, you can upscale to 4Kx2K from Blu-ray for such a projector.

Depending on the type of movie files you are trying to play, you may have something to consider.

For a period last year, the 93 supported playing ISO files -- images of complete, shiny discs -- from attached hard drives. OPPO was forced to remove support for ISO files due to licensing constraints in its license to manufacture Blu-ray players. If your 93 still has firmware in it from that period last year, then it can play such files. But if it has firmware from this year it can not. The 103/105 also can not play ISO files.

See Bill's FAQ for supported file formats for playback from hard drives.
--Bob

If everything is working properly, the PC ~should~ show up as just the PC name under Network on the Oppo, you shouldn't expect to see an item listed as "workgroup." I do have 1 PC that consistently shows up as "workgroup" but I can login successfully and access the shares on it. And no, there aren't any special settings on the Oppo or any way to just type in a share path (\\pcname\sharename or \\ipaddress\sharename).

SMB access is something we're still sorting out within the beta group as it's relatively complex to test and (especially) diagnose any issues. When it doesn't work, it's not exactly easy to determine if the problem is on Oppo's end or the other end where the share is originating from (or a little of both). I suspect this is why Oppo is listing it as an experimental feature.

I believe the answer is YES -- I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work -- but I've not actually tried it myself, and can't recall at the moment specific confirmation from the other Beta Testers. So somebody may have to just try it and report back here.
--Bob

Yeah, mine Oppo 93 still support ISO file which I hardly use at all so it's not top pririties for me (most of my movies in HDD are in 1080p Mkv format).

Still thinking if I should upgrade to 103......tough decision

Why drop the e-Sata port? As the owner both a 93 and 95, that's a deal breaker for me.