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post #1351 of 2827
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I have a Harmony One coming tomorrow, as well as the 103. Any ideas on when the 102 will be in the database? Mostly interested in the input switching.

It's been my experience that Logitech adds new devices to the database pretty quickly after release. Of course, you can always start with the 93 codes from the database and then "learn" the new codes from the 103 remote to your Harmony One in the interim until the database is updated to include the 103.
post #1352 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Wait! You don't want to hear hour by hour reports on how the sound is improving? biggrin.gif
--Bob

Couldn't resist, could you:)
post #1353 of 2827
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

So if I understand correctly, you weren't even commenting about the analog outs of the 103, but instead you're comparing how the DACs in your AVR do a better job with LPCM from the 103, versus the 93 or 95? Oh, geez. rolleyes.gif

Oh now I get it!
post #1354 of 2827
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Oh now I get it!
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post #1355 of 2827
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Oh now I get it!

How could hifi.guy claim that "digital" signal from 103 sounds better than from 95? Digital signals from both are identcal by definition. Probably, hifi.guy heard what he "want" to hear and believing what he "heard" which happens a lot in HiFi world.
Edited by edwardkim - 10/1/12 at 11:22pm
post #1356 of 2827
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Originally Posted by astronut1 View Post

Hi, I received my 103 today, but I am having a problem setting up the player. I set the video to split A/V, but I still get video from both 1&2. I thought split A/V just sent video to hdmi 1 and audio to hdmi 2 . Also when I play 3D movies all I get is video and no sound. Any help would be appreciated.
The "split" is sending audio signal only to HDMI 2 Out, however, video may still exists on both 1 & 2.
For the 3D playback, the audio is on HDMI 2 OUT only, in "Split" mode.
The player can automatically adjust the A/V assignmen,t depending on the actual output connectio., e.g., simply disconnect the HDMI 2 OUT, then the audio signal will be re-direct to HDMI 1 OUT even in "Split" mode.
post #1357 of 2827
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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

How could hifi.guy claim that "digital" signal from 103 sounds better than from 95? Digital signals from both are identcal by definition. Probably, hifi.guy heard what he "want" to hear and believing what he "heard" which happens a lot in HiFi world.

You will see these type of reviews for the next few days.
post #1358 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

How could hifi.guy claim that "digital" signal from 103 sounds better than from 95? Digital signals from both are identcal by definition. Probably, hifi.guy heard what he "want" to hear and believing what he "heard" which happens a lot in HiFi world.

You will see these type of reviews for the next few days.
... months.
post #1359 of 2827
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Originally Posted by astronut1 View Post

Hi, I received my 103 today, but I am having a problem setting up the player. I set the video to split A/V, but I still get video from both 1&2. I thought split A/V just sent video to hdmi 1 and audio to hdmi 2 . Also when I play 3D movies all I get is video and no sound. Any help would be appreciated.

Again, Split A/V is not about sending ONLY video on HDMI 1 and ONLY audio on HDMI 2, although there are circumstances where audio may be shut off on HDMI 1 and video may be muted to black on HDMI 2. Rather Split A/V is about doing handshakes in a fashion that allows the best possible video on HDMI 1 and simultaneously the best possible audio on HDMI 2 without either of those being burdened by the audio limitations of the device on HDMI 1 or the video limitations of the device on HDMI 2.

When using Split A/V you should always be getting video on HDMI 1 and audio on HDMI 2.

You may *ALSO* get audio on HDMI 1 (possibly a down-mix).

You will also ALWAYS get video on HDMI 2, but that video may be muted to black. HDMI audio is not a separate signal. It is embedded in the "blanking intervals" of a video signal. So to get audio on HDMI 2 there must also be video of sufficient Resolution to support that bit-rate of audio. But that video on HDMI 2 may be muted to black if the video being sent to HDMI 1 is not something that HDMI 2 can handle.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Wait! You don't want to hear hour by hour reports on how the sound is improving? biggrin.gif
--Bob

Couldn't resist, could you:)

I've actually seen things like this written by fine wine fans, who felt it important to report precisely what was happening -- at say 10 minute intervals, over an hour or more -- as their new, prize bottle of Late Harvest Robitussin "opened up".

Of course with 150 hours to play with audiowise, there's lots more time to write up things like what happened between hour 122 and hour 123: "Finally had to take a bathroom break. Sound greatly improved."

biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #1361 of 2827
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

It's been my experience that Logitech adds new devices to the database pretty quickly after release. Of course, you can always start with the 93 codes from the database and then "learn" the new codes from the 103 remote to your Harmony One in the interim until the database is updated to include the 103.

It will be fascinating to see what they do here, as they tend to lump devices into capability categories which limit what the remote is expected to be able to do with them.

I really REALLY don't know what Logitech will make of a Blu-ray player with "inputs".
--Bob
post #1362 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Again, Split A/V is not about sending ONLY video on HDMI 1 and ONLY audio on HDMI 2, although there are circumstances where audio may be shut off on HDMI 1 and video may be muted to black on HDMI 2. Rather Split A/V is about doing handshakes in a fashion that allows the best possible video on HDMI 1 and simultaneously the best possible audio on HDMI 2 without either of those being burdened by the audio limitations of the device on HDMI 1 or the video limitations of the device on HDMI 2.

First, this is not about "best possible video" but rather the prevention (and may not fully prevent with some setups) of handshakes (with current AVRs and TVs) that Oppo players have. Secondly, If your AVR does not pass 3D and you have a 3D TV, or an old AVR that has first generation HDMI. I have a BD player that have two HDMI outs and I get the "best possible video" on a single HDMI cable without any handshake issues that Oppo players currently have. This is just the reality of the situation.
Edited by Brian-HD - 10/2/12 at 3:51am
post #1363 of 2827
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

please post the best settings for bluray and using a 3d processor.

If you mean a 3D-capable AVR (i.e., handles both audio and video and passes video on to a 3D Display), then:

1) Cable HDMI 1 (only). The Split A/V vs. Dual Display setting is ignored.

2) Resolution 1080p

3) 1080p/24 AUTO

4) 3D Output AUTO. (3D Setting values as appropriate for your Display and 2D/3D tastes.)

5) TV Aspect Ratio 16:9 WIDE/AUTO

6) HDMI 1 Picture Adjustment settings all at default (0) values

7) TV System -- depends on the capabilities of your AVR. In the US, use NTSC until you find out if your AVR can also accept PAL input.

8) DVD 24p Conversion OFF for now, but you may very well want to turn it ON when you have time to explore it

9) HDMI Options > HDMI 1 Color Space YCbCr 4:4:4 for now. That will work best for most displays and is a good default until you have time to check.

10) HDMI Options > HDMI 1 Deep Color 36 bit for now. If your display won't accept that, OFF will be automatically used instead. Again a good default until you have time to check video calibration properly.

NOTE: Some of those settings reflect a good starting point when NOT playing 3D Blu-ray content.



For HDMI Audio, to start, I recommend:

1) Secondary Audio ON

2) HDMI Audio LPCM



Now these are my personal recommendations. You should ALSO check the recommended starting point settings in the Manual for the 103 (available for download from the OPPO Digital Support page for the 103), and also check the BDP-103 FAQ. You may like those recommendations better.
--Bob
post #1364 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Again, Split A/V is not about sending ONLY video on HDMI 1 and ONLY audio on HDMI 2, although there are circumstances where audio may be shut off on HDMI 1 and video may be muted to black on HDMI 2. Rather Split A/V is about doing handshakes in a fashion that allows the best possible video on HDMI 1 and simultaneously the best possible audio on HDMI 2 without either of those being burdened by the audio limitations of the device on HDMI 1 or the video limitations of the device on HDMI 2.

First, this is not about "best possible video" but rather the prevention (and not fully prevented with some setups) of handshakes (with current AVRs and TVs) that Oppo players have. Secondly, If your AVR does not pass 3D and you have a 3D TV, or an old AVR that has first generation HDMI. I have a BD player that have two HDMI outs and I get the "best possible video" on a single HDMI cable without any handshake issues that Oppo players currently have. This is just the reality of the situation.

You've lost me. How do you get best possible (3D) video on a single HDMI cable and also HDMI audio into an AVR that doesn't handle 3D? You need to use both outputs for that, right? So 2 cables. And it may very well be that your current player implements the Split A/V approach by default when both cables are in use.

You need to look at what the alternative -- Dual Display -- setting does in the 103 to see the difference.

The handshake goals of the 103/105 are different from the 93/95. So trying to treat them as the same -- as if the only thing that changed was the name of the setting -- is incorrect.

If your AVR passes 3D, then use a single cable hookup from the 103 -- HDMI 1. The Split A/V vs. Dual Display setting will be ignored.
--Bob
post #1365 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

You've lost me. How do you get best possible (3D) video on a single HDMI cable and also HDMI audio into an AVR that doesn't handle 3D? You need to use both outputs for that, right? So 2 cables. And it may very well be that your current player implements the Split A/V approach by default when both cables are in use.
You need to look at what the alternative -- Dual Display -- setting does in the 103 to see the difference.
The handshake goals of the 103/105 are different from the 93/95. So trying to treat them as the same -- as if the only thing that changed was the name of the setting -- is incorrect.
If your AVR passes 3D, then use a single cable hookup from the 103 -- HDMI 1. The Split A/V vs. Dual Display setting will be ignored.
--Bob

3D


HDMI out 3D BD player>>>> 3D capable AVR input/output>>>>3D TV with the use of single cable out from BD.

I am getting the 103 on Tuesday, and from the few posts so far, it seems like the same handshake issues with HDMI that I have reported on the 93/95. What I do know that all BD players do NOT have some these handshake issues but one can argue that Oppo has more features and it is to be expected.
Edited by Brian-HD - 10/2/12 at 4:10am
post #1366 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

3D


HDMI out 3D BD player>>>> 3D capable AVR input/output>>>>3D TV with the use of single cable out from BD.

I am getting the 103 on Tuesday, and from the few posts so far, it seems like the same handshake issues with HDMI that I have reported on the 93/95. What I do know that all BD players do NOT have some these handshake issues but one can argue that Oppo has more features and it is to be expected.

OK, I got confused by whether you were talking about a 3D capable AVR or not.

The HDMI output of the 103 is different hardware from the 93/95, and the HDMI timings have also been adjusted. When you get your 103, do try the single cable solution. If you have issues, email the details to OPPO tech support as this is just the sort of feedback they need. This stuff has been undergoing refinement all through the Beta Test process. Additional tweaking is certainly possible.

It remains the case that the HDMI 1 output of the 103 is a two-processor video path, which means the handshake on HDMI 1 is more elaborate than the handshake on HDMI 2. However the handshake should yield correct results ANYWAY.



To extend a bit, in the 93/95, the nature of the HDMI hardware meant that the player had to focus on doing best video for HDMI 1 or for HDMI 2. There wasn't really a good way to do a Dual Display configuration. In the 103/105 that has changed. And so rather than selecting HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 as your "Primary Output", instead you specify whether you want to run a Dual Display configuration (as best as possible for BOTH outputs given the HDMI rules) or split the focus of the handshake to go for best video on HDMI 1 and best audio on HDMI 2.

If you are using only one cable at a given time -- either HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 -- then there's no choice to be made and the setting is ignored. The player will produce the best result possible for BOTH audio and video on that single cable, whichever output you are using.

By "best" here I'm talking about the results of the handshake itself. I.e., the data negotiation between the player and whatever's at the other end of the cable. That's distinct from things like the improvement in video on HDMI 1 due to application of the QDEO video processing on that output.
--Bob
post #1367 of 2827
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Originally Posted by sharding View Post

This talk of the analog sound quality of the 103 has gotten me thinking again. I never really thought much about it, because I figured in the 103 (and 93, and 83 which I also have) the analog audio was kind of an afterthought. So I've always used (and planned on using) HDMI to my receivers. But now I'm wondering, how does the DAC (and other analog components) in the 103 compare to what a current generation (say, 2313) Denon has? Is it likely that even the 103 would sound better via analog than HDMI? Is it likely to be enough of a difference to negate the loss of Audyssey (which doesn't work on analog sources).
Obviously I can (and will) test this out myself once I have the rest of my system set up, but it's going to be a few weeks. Curious to hear what folks think.

I have the 95 and would like to run analog outs directly to my amplifiers but couldn't find a good way to switch between amplifier and preamp. I'd still need the preamp for other devices and to do power on switching(12 volt triggers). Those with multiple subs would also have a problem if they rather adjust subwoofer distances individually rather than phase adjust one of them (provided it even has phase adjustment).

With the two HDMI inputs, that takes care of part of the problem but if you've got more than two HDMI devices or some legacy devices that aren't HDMI, you'll still want a prepro in the mix if you want to run it through your home theater audio system.

You also don't have HDMI passthrough for those few times you'd rather not fire up your audio system.

For the next generation......add more HDMI inputs, a second subwoofer output with full distance controls, and audio passthrough.
post #1368 of 2827
^ I suspect the mods will ask that the existing "wish list" thread simply be extended -- i.e., with suggestions for what OPPO should now plan to do in its NEXT round of products -- rather than starting a new thread, but we'll see. But that thread's already long enough that a new, post-103/105 thread might be more efficient and useful.

By the way, I don't know what the hold up is in opening up the really and truly "Official" Owner's thread for the 103. I'm still expecting it "real soon now"....

(Until that happens, please continue to keep early 103 results postings in here.)
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/2/12 at 4:49am
post #1369 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

Thanks Bob. Just to clarify, when you say digital outputs, you are referring to the hdmi output, correct? It was my understanding that DD+ streams are too high bandwidth to be delivered over optical/coax. I believe DD+ is downsampled to regular DD over optical/coax. Is that what the 103 does?

DD+ 5.1 is simply "full bit rate" Dolby Digital -- still lossy. S/PDIF (Optical and Coax) should be able to handle that. I'll grab an Optical cable in a couple hours and check what happens. Of course you'll need to use the Bitstream output setting for the Optical/Coax outputs to take proper advantage of it. (The LPCM alternative for those will always be a stereo down-mix.)
--Bob
post #1370 of 2827
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I have the 95 and would like to run analog outs directly to my amplifiers but couldn't find a good way to switch between amplifier and preamp. I'd still need the preamp for other devices and to do power on switching(12 volt triggers). Those with multiple subs would also have a problem if they rather adjust subwoofer distances individually rather than phase adjust one of them (provided it even has phase adjustment).
With the two HDMI inputs, that takes care of part of the problem but if you've got more than two HDMI devices or some legacy devices that aren't HDMI, you'll still want a prepro in the mix if you want to run it through your home theater audio system.
You also don't have HDMI passthrough for those few times you'd rather not fire up your audio system.
For the next generation......add more HDMI inputs, a second subwoofer output with full distance controls, and audio passthrough.

Hi,

about power on switching using Oppo, I made a USB x P2 cable for connect in USB port of my BDP-93, then, when I turn on my Oppo, my Emotiva UPA-500 turns on also and by turning off the Oppo, the Emo goes off too.

best regards,

Sergio Santos
post #1371 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

It will be fascinating to see what they do here, as they tend to lump devices into capability categories which limit what the remote is expected to be able to do with them.
I really REALLY don't know what Logitech will make of a Blu-ray player with "inputs".
--Bob

In some respects, the 103/105 represent an entirely new animal. It seems logical that the 103/105 should be in a category by itself, or at least grouped differently. If I'm not mistaken, Oppo players have been lumped into the DVD category up to now. Not too many other DVD/BD players have the capabilities of the 103/105, especially with inputs (maybe none?).
Edited by scolumbo - 10/2/12 at 5:59am
post #1372 of 2827
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

For the next generation......add more HDMI inputs, a second subwoofer output with full distance controls, and audio passthrough.

- and Auto Room Correction - and call it the Oppo AVR-109 and price it at about $1899.00.

I'll take two.

smile.gif
post #1373 of 2827
I'd appreciate it if someone with a BDP-103 would post screenshots of the new network interface. I am very happy with my BDP-93, but I increasingly am using this feature and might be willing to upgrade to the new model if there were substantial improvements. It sounds like the changes are relatively minor, but I can't tell from the discussion. Perhaps I need to wait for an online review.

I'm also interested in the new Netflix interface, though I don't know if I have enough bandwidth to stream 1080p with DD 5.1.
post #1374 of 2827
I think I found a bug on the 103. Every second time I power on the 103 the Wifi to the Netgear Router R6300 is lost. It can be easily reinstated using the network setup again (use previous settings) but this is annoying. Hope it's going to be fixed in a future firmware.
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I received my BDP-103 yesterday and am still in the process of checking it out.

However, I have found one problem and wonder if this is a known glitch. I use a 750 GB Toshiba external hard drive to store my FLAC files. The drive is USB 2.0, and has 418 GB of FLAC songs. With my BDP-93 and BDP-95 I am able to simply plug the drive into the front USB slot and play the files. However, the BDP-103 does not recognize this drive. I also tried this with my backup 500GB USB hard drive and, once again, the 103 does not recognize the drive.

The 103 does recognize 32GB and 64GB thumb drives, and I have no problem playing FLAC files from these.

Is there a known problem with larger usb hard drives? Is there a limitation on size or directory structure?
post #1376 of 2827
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

In some respects, the 103/105 represent an entirely new animal. It seems logical that the 103/105 should be in a category by itself, or at least grouped differently. If I'm not mistaken, Oppo players have been lumped into the DVD category up to now. Not too many other DVD/BD players have the capabilities of the 103/105, especially with inputs (maybe none?).
I know there have been some DVD players (from Cambridge Audio, I think) with digital audio inputs. But there certainly haven't been many DVD and/or Bluray players with A/V inputs. My guess is that Logitech will keep the 103/105 in the DVD category and won't implement any special input switching logic for the Input button.
post #1377 of 2827
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Originally Posted by jcdrisco View Post

I'd appreciate it if someone with a BDP-103 would post screenshots of the new network interface. I am very happy with my BDP-93, but I increasingly am using this feature and might be willing to upgrade to the new model if there were substantial improvements. It sounds like the changes are relatively minor, but I can't tell from the discussion. Perhaps I need to wait for an online review.

I'm also interested in the new Netflix interface, though I don't know if I have enough bandwidth to stream 1080p with DD 5.1.

If you've got a solid 6Mbps networking into the player then you should be good to go for Netflix 1080p with DD 5.1. Their compression scheme is supposed to make that work. And you are not supposed to be able to notice. * LAUGH! Sign blinks over stage *

If you've got a solid 9MBps networking into the player then you are good for the highest quality end of VUDU HDX streams as well.

The VUDU app on your 93 has a speed test under My Vudu > Info & Settings > Network Speed Test. The networking on the 103 is faster than on the 93, but if you've got enough speed as shown by that VUDU test on the 93, then you can feel quite confident you'll be in good shape with the 103.
--Bob
post #1378 of 2827
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Originally Posted by emylly View Post

- and Auto Room Correction - and call it the Oppo AVR-109 and price it at about $1899.00.
I'll take two.
smile.gif

More like Oppo AV-109, or SSP-109 if it doesn't have any power amps, or lacking a radio tuner.

DJoel
post #1379 of 2827
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Originally Posted by GregDMorris View Post

I received my BDP-103 yesterday and am still in the process of checking it out.

However, I have found one problem and wonder if this is a known glitch. I use a 750 GB Toshiba external hard drive to store my FLAC files. The drive is USB 2.0, and has 418 GB of FLAC songs. With my BDP-93 and BDP-95 I am able to simply plug the drive into the front USB slot and play the files. However, the BDP-103 does not recognize this drive. I also tried this with my backup 500GB USB hard drive and, once again, the 103 does not recognize the drive.

The 103 does recognize 32GB and 64GB thumb drives, and I have no problem playing FLAC files from these.

Is there a known problem with larger usb hard drives? Is there a limitation on size or directory structure?

If the USB drive works on the 93 then it should work on the 103. Please get in touch with OPPO Tech Support and let them diagnose this with you.

Is that drive externally powered? Or does it try to draw its power from the USB port? Are you using any sort of USB hub?
--Bob
post #1380 of 2827
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Originally Posted by South Park View Post

I think I found a bug on the 103. Every second time I power on the 103 the Wifi to the Netgear Router R6300 is lost. It can be easily reinstated using the network setup again (use previous settings) but this is annoying. Hope it's going to be fixed in a future firmware.

We had a previous report like this above, and I believe the poster fixed it by doing a RESET of the 103 and re-entering his settings again. Search this thread for the exact report. If that post doesn't give you the solution, then please get in touch with OPPO Tech Support and let them diagnose this with you. There should be no such problem in this firmware.

ETA: Also keep in mind that Settings are saved as part of the Power Down cycle. So you have to turn the player off "normally" to retain settings. If you use some other device to simply cut off wall power to the player, the settings don't have a chance to be saved.
--Bob
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