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post #1381 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

More like Oppo AV-109, or SSP-109 if it doesn't have any power amps, or lacking a radio tuner.
DJoel

'R' implies power amps? I had no idea.

Oh - and a couple analog ins with "Direct" mode (turntable).

and come to think of it that disc playing assembly can go away now too.

a Radio Tuner - you mean like the one on Grandma and Grandpa's kitchen table?

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post #1382 of 2827
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Originally Posted by South Park View Post

I think I found a bug on the 103. Every second time I power on the 103 the Wifi to the Netgear Router R6300 is lost. It can be easily reinstated using the network setup again (use previous settings) but this is annoying. Hope it's going to be fixed in a future firmware.

I had a similar issue - noted in my review on page 37. I agree it is a glitch that they should work on. I'm putty my bridge back in though as the wireless still doesn't work that great yet for larger media so I'm not too worried about it. I'm putting it on my wishlist for the 113.
Edited by boe - 10/2/12 at 7:56am
post #1383 of 2827
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Originally Posted by jcdrisco View Post

I'd appreciate it if someone with a BDP-103 would post screenshots of the new network interface. I am very happy with my BDP-93, but I increasingly am using this feature and might be willing to upgrade to the new model if there were substantial improvements. It sounds like the changes are relatively minor, but I can't tell from the discussion. Perhaps I need to wait for an online review.
I'm also interested in the new Netflix interface, though I don't know if I have enough bandwidth to stream 1080p with DD 5.1.

I've got the 103 - no major network changes and the wifi included isn't great but not that bad for some things. Currently no support for IPV6. If you want better networking you'd be much better off getting another wireless router connecting it to the RJ45 on the Oppo and using it as a brige; you'll get better throughput, support for ipv6 and better range. For reduced quality netflix, the included wireless is OK. If you want to stream 1080p with lossless audio from your computer, you'll definitely want a wireless bridge. I put in a bridge for my 93 and it made a world of difference - again for my streaming needs, a much better choice to use the bridge for my 103 as well.
Edited by boe - 10/2/12 at 7:57am
post #1384 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I believe the answer is YES -- I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work -- but I've not actually tried it myself, and can't recall at the moment specific confirmation from the other Beta Testers. So somebody may have to just try it and report back here.
--Bob

Oppo already sent me a response on my request for help on SMB I sent on Sunday. We haven't gotten it to work yet but you have to love how fast Oppo tries to help their customers! Their customer service is impressive.
post #1385 of 2827
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Originally Posted by GregDMorris View Post

I received my BDP-103 yesterday and am still in the process of checking it out.
However, I have found one problem and wonder if this is a known glitch. I use a 750 GB Toshiba external hard drive to store my FLAC files. The drive is USB 2.0, and has 418 GB of FLAC songs. With my BDP-93 and BDP-95 I am able to simply plug the drive into the front USB slot and play the files. However, the BDP-103 does not recognize this drive. I also tried this with my backup 500GB USB hard drive and, once again, the 103 does not recognize the drive.
The 103 does recognize 32GB and 64GB thumb drives, and I have no problem playing FLAC files from these.
Is there a known problem with larger usb hard drives? Is there a limitation on size or directory structure?

I just tested with a 500GB 2.5" drive powered only by USB on my 103 and it worked fine. I tested a flac file and mkv and mp3. As the other poster mentioned, if it isn't a powered drive, it may need power. Some drives require more power than others. You also might want to check if bitlocking or formatting has changed on it since you used it on your 93.
post #1386 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If the USB drive works on the 93 then it should work on the 103. Please get in touch with OPPO Tech Support and let them diagnose this with you.
Is that drive externally powered? Or does it try to draw its power from the USB port? Are you using any sort of USB hub?
--Bob

Neither of the two drives is externally powered. I will contact OPPO tech support and post what I find out.
post #1387 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

Thanks Bob. Just to clarify, when you say digital outputs, you are referring to the hdmi output, correct? It was my understanding that DD+ streams are too high bandwidth to be delivered over optical/coax. I believe DD+ is downsampled to regular DD over optical/coax. Is that what the 103 does?

DD+ 5.1 is simply "full bit rate" Dolby Digital -- still lossy. S/PDIF (Optical and Coax) should be able to handle that. I'll grab an Optical cable in a couple hours and check what happens. Of course you'll need to use the Bitstream output setting for the Optical/Coax outputs to take proper advantage of it. (The LPCM alternative for those will always be a stereo down-mix.)
--Bob

OK, I just tried this with an Optical S/PDIF cable and you were right. If you play a Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 stream from Netflix, or a Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 stream from VUDU, the Bitstream output on the Optical cable is "normal" Dolby Digital 5.1 640Kbps.

The Bitstream output on HDMI is DD+ 5.1 or DD+ 7.1, and the decode to LPCM of the 7.1 version is 7.1 LPCM. So.... use HDMI! (Or multi-channel Analog.)
--Bob
post #1388 of 2827
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I've got the 103 - no major network changes and the wifi included isn't great but not that bad for some things. Currently no support for IPV6. If you want better networking you'd be much better off getting another wireless router connecting it to the RJ45 on the Oppo and using it as a brige; you'll get better throughput, support for ipv6 and better range. For reduced quality netflix, the included wireless is OK. If you want to stream 1080p with lossless audio from your computer, you'll definitely want a wireless bridge. I put in a bridge for my 93 and it made a world of difference - again for my streaming needs, a much better choice to use the bridge for my 103 as well.

Oops, sorry to have been unclear--I meant the screen interface for viewing networked drives (e.g. my NAS). Currently, to listen to classical albums, I have to click through to the NAS, then through multiple sets of subfolders, and then use the "GoTo" button and guess approximately what number is close to that of the album or composer I want to listen to. I'd hoped for a slightly quicker-to-use interface.

And thanks for the response upthread for the bandwidth needs for HD streaming. Sadly, I still have 3Mbps DSL, but supposedly FIOS is being installed in my neighborhood this fall. (Don't especially want to use Comcast cable unless I have to).
post #1389 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

We had a previous report like this above, and I believe the poster fixed it by doing a RESET of the 103 and re-entering his settings again. Search this thread for the exact report. If that post doesn't give you the solution, then please get in touch with OPPO Tech Support and let them diagnose this with you. There should be no such problem in this firmware.
ETA: Also keep in mind that Settings are saved as part of the Power Down cycle. So you have to turn the player off "normally" to retain settings. If you use some other device to simply cut off wall power to the player, the settings don't have a chance to be saved.
--Bob

Thank you for your help Bob, found the posting, this is exactly what I am experiencing as well.
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Originally Posted by boe View Post


Glitch
  • Did not auto connect wireless with 1 profile. Rebooted 3 times - waited over 5 minutes - no reconnect to wireless til you go to menu - wireless - use old - connect and it would connect. I removed that profile and recreated it - autoconnect working correctly now.
  • Update - wireless issue just occurred again after a day of many reboots with no issue. The issue occured while the oppo was idle. I rebooted it and still no connection. Never experienced this with the 93 - same wireless router - nothing has changed on it - my ipad, phone and laptop not having any issues with my wireless router. I'd pretty much say this is a definite issue with my 103. Again if I go to settings - wireless and just say use last it will connect. The issue is the autoconnect.

having the same issue, will report this to Oppo.
post #1390 of 2827
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Originally Posted by jcdrisco View Post


Oops, sorry to have been unclear--I meant the screen interface for viewing networked drives (e.g. my NAS). Currently, to listen to classical albums, I have to click through to the NAS, then through multiple sets of subfolders, and then use the "GoTo" button and guess approximately what number is close to that of the album or composer I want to listen to. I'd hoped for a slightly quicker-to-use interface.

DLNA navigation is much the same.

There are some tag-based sorting options I have not done much with.

-Bill
post #1391 of 2827
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I've got the 103 - no major network changes and the wifi included isn't great but not that bad for some things. Currently no support for IPV6. If you want better networking you'd be much better off getting another wireless router connecting it to the RJ45 on the Oppo and using it as a brige; you'll get better throughput, support for ipv6 and better range. For reduced quality netflix, the included wireless is OK. If you want to stream 1080p with lossless audio from your computer, you'll definitely want a wireless bridge. I put in a bridge for my 93 and it made a world of difference - again for my streaming needs, a much better choice to use the bridge for my 103 as well.

I use Wifi all the time via an Apple Airport Extreme and Comcast cable networking. (I've also got Ethernet hooked up for testing.) My Internet service is way faster than the streaming services require, and my Wifi reception strength is 100% at the OPPO. The connection is 802.11n (2.4GHz band).

When I run the VUDU Network Speed Test it runs continuously pegged at the top of the range (greater than 9Mbps). Netflix of 1080p HD streams runs continuously at X-High/HD (after the usual brief delay at the start while it shifts up through the gears).

The bottom line is that it is definitely POSSIBLE to set up Wifi which yields more throughput than the Internet streaming services require. I.e., there are no inherent bottlenecks in the Wifi adapter hardware or in the network software stack inside the player. It's all a matter of how you've set up your Wifi base station(s) and the underlying speed of the Internet service you have subscribed to.

Really, a decent, 802.11n Wifi setup can achieve as much bandwidth as the player can use, meaning Ethernet is not REQUIRED so long as you are able to configure a decent Wifi. But of course the big advantage of Ethernet is that it is immune to interference sources -- e.g., neighbor's Wifi setups or an improperly shielded microwave oven. For that reason, Ethernet is definitely preferred if it is practical to run the cable.

(IPv6 is not a real issue at the moment.)
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/2/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

... months.

And in a few months when the major reviewers have said the same things I've said, I will be most happy to accept all your humbly offered apologies. Have a nice life! biggrin.gif
post #1393 of 2827
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Originally Posted by jcdrisco View Post

Oops, sorry to have been unclear--I meant the screen interface for viewing networked drives (e.g. my NAS). Currently, to listen to classical albums, I have to click through to the NAS, then through multiple sets of subfolders, and then use the "GoTo" button and guess approximately what number is close to that of the album or composer I want to listen to. I'd hoped for a slightly quicker-to-use interface.
And thanks for the response upthread for the bandwidth needs for HD streaming. Sadly, I still have 3Mbps DSL, but supposedly FIOS is being installed in my neighborhood this fall. (Don't especially want to use Comcast cable unless I have to).

I agree that is a valid point. I mentioned this on my wishlist before the 103. Still no improvement unfortunately in the layout and no way to set favorites. It does scroll through the menu slightly faster though.

For me it is -
1. select streaming data
2. select the computer,
3 then select video.
4 Then folders.
5, then select the category (e.g. TV shows, movies, etc)
6 then I have to select the show, e.g NCIS
7 then the season, then the show.
If I could bookmark about 4 categories, e.g TV shows on computer1 (not that I stream from other computers), it would make my searches SOO much faster. I'd only need 2 steps to get to my video instead of 7.

I have 5 TB of video now and as soon as 6TB drives come out I'll rip about 20 more TB of movies to disk. I need the folders so scrolling doesn't take hours so the organization/bookmark needed feature will only become more important. They made netflix the press of a button on the remote - and that only took 2 steps before - you'd think they might consider making streaming from the computer a tad easier. Oppo does a fantastic job of cleaning up the picture of streamed media from my computer, you'd think they'd play to that strength and make the playback a bit more effortless so more people would want to take advantage of that.
Edited by boe - 10/2/12 at 9:37am
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By the way, for folks coming from the Netflix app on the 93/95, one of the new features in the version on the 103/105 is that you can bring up a display of what's currently happening on the input stream.

Use the Info button on the remote and look for text in the upper left corner of the screen.



Another blue-bird with Netflix is that the Subtitles button on the remote will let you cycle between the available Subtitles choices for streams which offer those. You can do this on-the-fly while the Netflix stream is playing.

You'd expect that the Audio button would similarly allow you to switch between 5.1 and stereo audio stream input for Netflix streams that offer both, but alas that doesn't work. You have to Stop the stream, change the audio in the Netflix menus, and Resume the stream.
--Bob
post #1395 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I use Wifi all the time via an Apple Airport Extreme and Comcast cable networking. (I've also got Ethernet hooked up for testing.) My Internet service is way faster than the streaming services require, and my Wifi reception strength is 100% at the OPPO. The connection is 802.11n (2.4GHz band).
When I run the VUDU Network Speed Test it runs continuously pegged at the top of the range (greater than 9Mbps). Netflix of 1080p HD streams runs continuously at X-High/HD (after the usual brief delay at the start while it shifts up through the gears).
The bottom line is that is is definitely POSSIBLE to set up Wifi which yields more throughput than the Internet streaming services require. I.e., there are no inherent bottlenecks in the Wifi adapter hardware or in the network software stack inside the player. It's all a matter of how you've set up your Wifi base stations and the underlying speed of the Internet service you have subscribed to.
Really, a decent, 802.11n Wifi setup can achieve as much bandwidth as the player can use, meaning Ethernet is not REQUIRED so long as you are able to configure a decent Wifi. But of course the big advantage of Ethernet is that it is immune to interference sources -- e.g., neighbor's Wifi setups or an improperly shielded microwave oven. For that reason, Ethernet is definitely preferred if it is practical to run the cable.
(IPv6 is not a real issue at the moment.)
--Bob

I see what you are saying but if you try to stream 1080p lossless audio from your computer, you'll find the wifi that comes with the Oppo is not up to the task. I too am using the Apple Airport Extreme (latest generation, even though I really dislike Apple's lawsuit happy tactics). According to my Oppo it is at 100% as well. But for streaming 1080p with lossless audio the oppo wifi completely chokes even though my laptop can do it with the built in wifi and my oppo can if I use the express as a bridge and use a network cable from the bridged airport to my oppo. Using an airport express to bridge to my extreme in the exact same spot as the oppo usb extended or even just lying on the floor in a mess of wires, it still achieves significantly better results. Netflix certainly isn't streaming the 25GB of data used for a good video transfer on BR otherwise your internet wouldn't be able to keep up. If you do a nice backup to your hard disk of a movie, you'll need a lot more bandwidth than the Oppo included wifi supports. Granted wifi n in theory supports the speed you'll need, but the Oppo included wifi is a pale reflection of a better wifi n connection as you'll get in a bridge or other wifi device (e.g. the one integrated in my laptops).
Edited by boe - 10/2/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I see what you are saying but if you try to stream 1080p lossless audio from your computer, you'll find the wifi that comes with the Oppo is not up to the task. I too am using the Apple Airport Extreme (latest generation, even though I really dislike Apple's lawsuit happy tactics). According to my Oppo it is at 100% as well. But for streaming 1080p with lossless audio the oppo wifi completely chokes even though my laptop can do it with the built in wifi and my oppo can if I use the express as a bridge and use a network cable from the bridged airport to my oppo. Using an airport express to bridge to my extreme in the exact same spot as the oppo usb extended or even just lying on the floor in a mess of wires, it still achieves significantly better results. Netflix certainly isn't streaming the 25GB of data used for a good video transfer on BR otherwise your internet wouldn't be able to keep up. If you do a nice backup to your hard disk of a movie, you'll need a lot more bandwidth than the Oppo included wifi supports. Granted wifi n in theory supports the speed you'll need, but the Oppo included wifi is a pale reflection of a better wifi n connection as you'll get in a bridge or other wifi device (e.g. the one integrated in my laptops).

You may be right, network configuration is definitely a talent, hasn't been systematized because of all the interference. Given the bitrates expected from the different streaming services though, the lossless audio must be putting a heavy load on the system, since the normal streams are not that demanding:



I don't doubt that your bridge is the way to go, since it overcomes any interference involved and gives a better connection. I haven't gotten the 103 yet, so am unable to test it for how capable the wireless interface is.
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^^Very nice summary of the streaming services. I'd like to see the footnotes, can you give the source of the info?
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I think that data might be a bit outdated. Netflix offers 1080p streams now, and the highest (HDX) rate for VUDU is around 9Mbps.
--Bob
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

By the way, I don't know what the hold up is in opening up the really and truly "Official" Owner's thread for the 103. I'm still expecting it "real soon now"....
--Bob

I want more boots on the ground. Since product started shipping on Wednesday of last week, I plan on making the new thread around midnight tonight. This will allow the majority of new customers to have received their players.
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^ OK! So what's up for the Midnight Movie? biggrin.gif
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

OK, I just tried this with an Optical S/PDIF cable and you were right. If you play a Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 stream from Netflix, or a Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 stream from VUDU, the Bitstream output on the Optical cable is "normal" Dolby Digital 5.1 640Kbps.
The Bitstream output on HDMI is DD+ 5.1 or DD+ 7.1, and the decode to LPCM of the 7.1 version is 7.1 LPCM. So.... use HDMI! (Or multi-channel Analog.)
--Bob

Thanks for looking into this Bob. Yep. It looks like toslink can't support the higher bitrate of DD+. That's a shame. I hate to have to sell my bdp-93 for the 103 just to get high quality 5.1 surround on Netflix. But short of buying a brand new Receiver (which would honestly cost more ~$600), I might as well just bite the bullet and trade up after selling on ebay. There are no other netflix streamers that I know of that have dedicated 5.1 analog outputs and support 5.1 audio for netflix streams. If anyone knows of one (not a blu-ray player obviously), please post here.
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Originally Posted by hifi.guy View Post

And in a few months when the major reviewers have said the same things I've said, I will be most happy to accept all your humbly offered apologies. Have a nice life! biggrin.gif

You still don't get it. biggrin.gif I can get the same result with your setup with a $ 50BD player.
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

I want more boots on the ground. Since product started shipping on Wednesday of last week, I plan on making the new thread around midnight tonight. This will allow the majority of new customers to have received their players.
I will have my BOOT on the ground Wednesday!!!! Thanks for the new Oppo BDP-103 Off.Thread.
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Anyone moving from an 83? How does it sound through the stereo analog outputs?
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I just tested with a 500GB 2.5" drive powered only by USB on my 103 and it worked fine. I tested a flac file and mkv and mp3. As the other poster mentioned, if it isn't a powered drive, it may need power. Some drives require more power than others. You also might want to check if bitlocking or formatting has changed on it since you used it on your 93.

Just an update, I am in communication with Oppo support and they are having me try various things. Both of the drives that don't work on the BDP-103 are Toshiba USB 3.0 drives (not 2.0 as I originally mentioned). Neither of these drives has an external power supply.

I also have Western Digital and Seagate USB 3.0 1TB drives with no external power supply and the same directory structure and files as the Toshiba drives. These DO work with the BDP-103, so the problem seems limited to the Toshiba drives.
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Originally Posted by GregDMorris View Post

Just an update, I am in communication with Oppo support and they are having me try various things. Both of the drives that don't work on the BDP-103 are Toshiba USB 3.0 drives (not 2.0 as I originally mentioned). Neither of these drives has an external power supply.
I also have Western Digital and Seagate USB 3.0 1TB drives with no external power supply and the same directory structure and files as the Toshiba drives. These DO work with the BDP-103, so the problem seems limited to the Toshiba drives.

If you can get yourself power for the drives that don't work, you might be OK. Drives that were designed for USB 3.0 may be speced to draw more power than the 103 is supplying. I believe the USB 103 is only USB 2.0. Some 3.0 drives came with 2 USB connectors so they could get enough power using 2 2.0 usb ports.
post #1407 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

But Wait There's More!
The USB 2.0 on the 103 --
...
There is no provision for a wireless keyboard. It has to be a wired connection.
.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

I have a wireless keyboard that connects with a little USB dongle. Would that look enough like a wired keyboard to the 103?
~Ken

I tested this with a Logitech K800 wireless keyboard. It uses a 2.4 GHz radio to a very small dongle; sticks out the front of the 103 about 3/8". I tried some searches on Netflix. It worked flawlessly for that.

~Ken
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Originally Posted by GregDMorris View Post

Just an update, I am in communication with Oppo support and they are having me try various things. Both of the drives that don't work on the BDP-103 are Toshiba USB 3.0 drives (not 2.0 as I originally mentioned). Neither of these drives has an external power supply.
I also have Western Digital and Seagate USB 3.0 1TB drives with no external power supply and the same directory structure and files as the Toshiba drives. These DO work with the BDP-103, so the problem seems limited to the Toshiba drives.

I just tried a Seagate Goflex USB3 1TB bus-powered HDD and it works fine from the front port.

Find a utility for you PC that can examine and display partitioning on the Toshiba drives. I'm wondering of they have a little hidden partition that might be futzing with the Oppo's recognition of the drives. You might expect to see such a hidden partition on drives which come with backup software or other tools. If it exists, it might have some other formatting than what is supported.
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

...
For HDMI Audio, to start, I recommend:
1) Secondary Audio ON
...
...
--Bob

I hadn't seen any mention of Secondary Audio up to now. Has the limitation been lifted that had you recommending it be turned off in the -93?

~Ken

PS Please forgive if I completely forgot the issues involved.
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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For HDMI Audio, to start, I recommend:
1) Secondary Audio ON
...
...
--Bob

I hadn't seen any mention of Secondary Audio up to now. Has the limitation been lifted that had you recommending it be turned off in the -93?

~Ken

PS Please forgive if I completely forgot the issues involved.

The situation with respect to Secondary Audio is almost unchanged from the 93/95 (but see the last paragraph below).

If you are using Analog audio output, or HDMI LPCM audio output, you can safely leave Secondary Audio ON all the time without loss of audio quality. I.e., during portions where the Secondary Audio from the Blu-ray is silent, the primary audio will play at full quality.

However if you are using HDMI Bitstream audio you should keep Secondary Audio OFF except when you wish to play a feature from the Blu-ray disc that requires Secondary Audio mixing (typically a Picture-in-Picture Commentary Track, or Menu Sound Effects if you dote on those). The reason is that while Secondary Audio is ON the primary track must be decoded just in case there is Secondary Audio to mix into that, and then the result, whether or not mixing has actually happened, has to be RE-encoded BACK into a Bitstream for output. It's that RE-encode where the quality is dinged as the re-encode is to a lossy Bitstream format (DD or DTS according to the format of the original Primary track).

The 103/105 actually offer enhancements even in that last case compared to the 93/95. First of all, if the Primary track is LPCM (which means the output would be LPCM anyway even though you have specified Bitstream), then the (potentially mixed) output remains LPCM, meaning no loss of quality. And as mentioned, in the cases where a Bitstream Primary has to be RE-encoded back into a Bitstream for output, the 103/105 use DD or DTS according to whether the original Primary came from Dolby or from DTS.
--Bob
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