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post #1471 of 2827
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Actually, in the interest of completeness and maintaining confusion, DSD was invented as a format for lossless archiving. The intent was to have a lossless archival format that did not generate losses in the conversion to or from. It was originally intended that studio masters would be converted to DSD either from LPCM masters or analog tape, then converted to LPCM for mastering. Later on, DSD recording and DSD mastering came along. The majority of SACDs are mastered in LPCM.
IT wasn't until Sony got bored and decided to create another consumer format (SACD) that DSD was adapted from it's originally intended use. Sony liked DSD because of the DRM potential.

Urban legand also has it that a Sony exec liked the way classical music sounded in the DSD format as a reason why it was established for the consumer market.
post #1472 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Yes there are Zoom modes in the 103/105. You can download the 103 Manual (PDF file) from OPPO for more information:
--Bob


I was surprised that with my 95 I couldn't "pan" the image while in Zoom 1.2x, 1.3x, 1.5x and 2x. It can only zoom in on the CENTER of the picture and that's it.

With my old Denon DVD3910 (2004 !!!) I could zoom in on ANY part of the picture using the up, down, right and left keys on the remote.

Will this be possible on the new Oppo 103/105 ?
post #1473 of 2827
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Originally Posted by michdys View Post



I was surprised that with my 95 I couldn't "pan" the image while in Zoom 1.2x, 1.3x, 1.5x and 2x. It can only zoom in on the CENTER of the picture and that's it.

With my old Denon DVD3910 (2004 !!!) I could zoom in on ANY part of the picture using the up, down, right and left keys on the remote.

Will this be possible on the new Oppo 103/105 ?

It's not a current feature.

-Bill
post #1474 of 2827
^ In the current (0921) firmware for the 103, Pan after Zoom is supported for display of photos, but not supported for video.

I can't talk about what might happen in future firmware. But by all means let OPPO Tech Support know what you'd like the player to do in this regard. This sort of comment DOES get to the right engineering folks.
--Bob
post #1475 of 2827
Thread Starter 
There are no plans for that feature in any current or future model.
post #1476 of 2827
Many thanks to Bob and the others for the DSD education.
Cathy
post #1477 of 2827
Hi, Sorry to interrupt. I am new to the forum and I have the oppo bdp-93 and I want to get the new 103. However, I heard It has Cinavia protection on it. I am worry that if I get it most of my mkv files will not play. I use my 93 for blu-ray backups and mkv files. Let's say I get it, and it does not let me play cinavia mkv's can I connect my GoFlex tv media streamer to the oppo for video. Will a connected media streamer for files such as mkv and isos work in conjunction with 103. Example somebody uses Popcorn hour with it's nice box art for dvd and blu-ray files and the oppo qdeo processor does the video? Is this possible? I want to know in case some mkv made from cinavia protected blu-ray dont play they can play with combination of media streamer+103. Also If someone that had 93 and now 103 compare the picture quality for mkv, dvd and blu-ray is it the same or the 103 has better picture? I not very much interested in smb or 4k I care more for picture quality and file compatibility. How does the 103 compare in low res video with noise reduction to the 93? how about 1080p mkv? is it sharper, smoother, crispier to the 93 or the same.

Thank you
post #1478 of 2827
Bob, gsr, rdgrimes, et al...great stuff, guys (or gals).
post #1479 of 2827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post

Hi, Sorry to interrupt. I am new to the forum and I have the oppo bdp-93 and I want to get the new 103. However, I heard It has Cinavia protection on it. I am worry that if I get it most of my mkv files will not play. I use my 93 for blu-ray backups and mkv files. Let's say I get it, and it does not let me play cinavia mkv's can I connect my GoFlex tv media streamer to the oppo for video. Will a connected media streamer for files such as mkv and isos work in conjunction with 103. Example somebody uses Popcorn hour with it's nice box art for dvd and blu-ray files and the oppo qdeo processor does the video? Is this possible? I want to know in case some mkv made from cinavia protected blu-ray dont play they can play with combination of media streamer+103. Also If someone that had 93 and now 103 compare the picture quality for mkv, dvd and blu-ray is it the same or the 103 has better picture? I not very much interested in smb or 4k I care more for picture quality and file compatibility. How does the 103 compare in low res video with noise reduction to the 93? how about 1080p mkv? is it sharper, smoother, crispier to the 93 or the same.
Thank you

At this moment we really do not know, as the BDP-103 does not seem to be enforcing the Cinavia protection *knock on wood* very reliably. I have read reports about being able to get Cinavia protection to be tripped on the player, but so far the files I have created from Cinavia "infected" discs have not produced any errors.

You will need to wait for someone who has been able to get Cinavia to trip on the player to try playing a file through a HDMI source device and see what happens.
Edited by Neuromancer - 10/3/12 at 3:14pm
post #1480 of 2827
Thank you for your answer. Can you shed some light on 93 vs 103 picture quality. Is it the same or is it better on 103 these are the things I look at when I want to upgrade.
post #1481 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Personally, I use HDMI LPCM audio into my Anthem Statement D2v.
--Bob

But one important question, Bob:

If you use the HDMI out of your OPPO 95 (as contrasted with the 93 and 103), then why did you purchase the the far more expensive 95 (or future 105)?

In the Oppo 95, all the extra money is in the 95's analog boards and analog 2-channel or analog Multi-channel outputs (which, in turn, would be connected into the 2-channel or MCH analog inputs on your receiver or pre/pro). So if you're using HDMI all the way, is not your Anthem D2v (and not the Oppo) doing the DtoA conversion? And if so, why the 95 instead of the 93, or 105 instead of the 103?

Thanks,
Howard
post #1482 of 2827
^ I have a 93, not a 95.

For the 103/105 testing I use all combos, but if I'm just watching a movie (not testing) I'll use HDMI LPCM as I stated.
--Bob
post #1483 of 2827
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post

Thank you for your answer. Can you shed some light on 93 vs 103 picture quality. Is it the same or is it better on 103 these are the things I look at when I want to upgrade.

On page 37 I posted a review. No significant improvement in picture quality but the 93 has fantastic image quality so it would be hard to make a tremendously better picture. Perhaps if you own a 4K TV or a TV over 80" it would be more noticeable but I have a very good TV and since it is only 1080 and 65" there wasn't a big difference IMHO.
post #1484 of 2827
Still anticipating the 103 here....in Canada...why can't we get a date at least? Unless my friend in NY gets one for me but shipping will cost a lot I assume...and the warranty won't be as good? Can't wait anymore Oppo!
Also, should I be buying SACD even if I already own a remastered DVD-Audio of my favorite album? The SACD is 46$ from Japan, this is why I'm asking, if it's better quality or not, cause the DVD-Audio is already pretty good for an album made in 1967! Thanks.
post #1485 of 2827
Thanks boe. I guess I am gonna wait to see how the 103 turns out. Maybe t there are hidden features I want in the future or wait for 3rd gen qdeo chip.
post #1486 of 2827
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Originally Posted by megamanwilson View Post

Thanks boe. I guess I am gonna wait to see how the 103 turns out. Maybe t there are hidden features I want in the future or wait for 3rd gen qdeo chip.

I have to say I really like the 103. My 93 goes to the bedroom smile.gif It does a better job with streaming in some ways and over 50% of my Oppo use is streaming from my PC to my Oppo.
post #1487 of 2827
so here's yet another cinavia question. Would Cinavia prevent playing of copies of my dvd-a and sacd discs? I believe the answer is no since all of these were produced before cinavia. Just to confirm, does the bdp-103 support playing burned copies of sacd's and dvd-a's in general just like the bdp-93?
post #1488 of 2827
Quote: Looked at VERY simplistically, DSD as represented on SACD discs is roughly equivalent to LPCM 96KHz 20-bit. SACD fans are going to HOWL at any such attempt to equate DSD to LPCM, but as a purely ballpark comparison that will suffice.

Bob,

I noticed that most of the illegal SACD ripped downloads use a early PS3 to rip and present this at 24-bit / 88.2 KHz. More or less the same kbps as 20/96 ofcourse
post #1489 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Jottle View Post

so here's yet another cinavia question. Would Cinavia prevent playing of copies of my dvd-a and sacd discs? I believe the answer is no since all of these were produced before cinavia. Just to confirm, does the bdp-103 support playing burned copies of sacd's and dvd-a's in general just like the bdp-93?

Cinavia ONLY effects BD discs which are encoded with that technology, at present only Sony titles. It has NO effect on any other content.
post #1490 of 2827
Yesterday I got an e-mail to pre-order the early release of the 103. Other than getting it early, is there any benefit to pulling the trigger now? Will it be more expensive later?
post #1491 of 2827
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Yesterday I got an e-mail to pre-order the early release of the 103. Other than getting it early, is there any benefit to pulling the trigger now? Will it be more expensive later?

Oppo always keep the price stable, don't expect to buy cheaper or more expensive. Getting the player now can be a lot of fun because you participate on the evolution of the firmware. Sort of beta tester "light". The player is already ready for prime time, though.
post #1492 of 2827
I intend to upgrade to BD-A1010 because has network limitations and lack flac format.
I have to choose between (BD-A1020, RX-2020) and BDP-103/105 (keeping RX-1010).
How long to bd-a1020 lacks multichannel analog outputs, the choice seems easy, but I am concerned about the quality of equipment OPPO analog outputs (multichannel).

Hdmi sound quality I do not care, all are close the same, and DSD to PCM transformation is not an option for me. I know RC….

German magazine Stereoplay’s ratings for bluray players:
rating for sound-quality via HDMI/Analog-Multi/Analog-Stereo

65/63/61 McIntosh MVP881
65/63/60 Marantz UD9004
64/61/59 Primare BD32
64/59/56 Marantz UD8004
64/59/51 Cambridge 751BD
64/58/59 Electrocompaniet EMP2
64/58/48 Cambridge 651BD
64/56/46 Denon DBP2012
64/56/46 Marantz UD7006
64/56/46 Yamaha BD-A1010

If you could provide some details on multichannel analog outputs I would be grateful

Regards, John
post #1493 of 2827
^ If you are serious about using Analog audio, then you should wait for the OPPO BDP-105 to be released. The 103 is no slouch when it comes to Analog, and now that the 103 is shipping you should start seeing serious reviews of Analog on the 103 shortly. And I expect those will be quite good. But really, the 105 is in a different class.

Since OPPO has not yet released specs on the 105, the Beta Testers can't really talk about it yet. So -- patience. OPPO has stated they expect the 105 to ship before the end of this year.
--Bob
post #1494 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ If you are serious about using Analog audio, then you should wait for the OPPO BDP-105 to be released. The 103 is no slouch when it comes to Analog, and now that the 103 is shipping you should start seeing serious reviews of Analog on the 103 shortly. And I expect those will be quite good. But really, the 105 is in a different class.
Since OPPO has not yet released specs on the 105, the Beta Testers can't really talk about it yet. So -- patience. OPPO has stated they expect the 105 to ship before the end of this year.
--Bob

Thanks Bob.

It's not about using multichannel analog outputs, but to get a more natural sound, something sounding like music. Each transformation (it's not conversion only) is lossy.
Celibidache said "music is in motion" (sound moves). PCM is not a musical format, as long as it reduces exactly sound movement (musical character of sound)

I will wait until BDP-105 will be released.

Regards, John
post #1495 of 2827
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Yesterday I got an e-mail to pre-order the early release of the 103. Other than getting it early, is there any benefit to pulling the trigger now? Will it be more expensive later?

I agree with slimoli, I'd order now if you need a new BR player. On many products the price drops over time but the oppos are pretty stable. On some plasmas they even change hardware on the same model. The Oppo is ready to use although they do sometimes tweak features over time with firmware updates. The only reason to wait is if you are an audiophile with some super high end speakers and a preamp and want to get the BDP-105 when it comes out.
post #1496 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ There are other Beta Testers who spend more time with the media file playback stuff, so perhaps one of them can chime in on general suggestions.
I've done some testing between a Mac and the 105, but I'll have to defer commenting on that until the veil is lifted on the 105.
Keep in mind that another alternative is to send HDMI to the player. That will even work with the 103.
--Bob
Hi, I'm am interested to know what this testing was... but guess I will have to wait. In the meantime, are you able to advise whether or not the 103 or 105 are capable of playing Apple Lossless (ALAC) files directly from a Mac Mini, i.e. without the need for routing via an Apple TV?
post #1497 of 2827
Wow you can use Oppo players to backup your collection and play MKV files?

Does this mean I can ditch my TVIX 6500 media player?

Can it to HD sound and sequential 3D too?
post #1498 of 2827
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Originally Posted by davehhh1 View Post

Wow you can use Oppo players to backup your collection and play MKV files?

Does this mean I can ditch my TVIX 6500 media player?

Can it to HD sound and sequential 3D too?

You can play MKV files. The player doesn't backup anything or write to your media. You have to prepare the files elsewhere.

DTS HD is supported in MKV files; Dolby TrueHD is not.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by davehhh1 View Post

Wow you can use Oppo players to backup your collection and play MKV files?
Does this mean I can ditch my TVIX 6500 media player?
Can it to HD sound and sequential 3D too?

The Oppo doesn't backup files (at least not that I know about) but you can playback mkv files through the network or through a usb connected hard drive. For some reason they no longer have the eSATA connector. It will play back surround sound including various audio formats depending on what your MKV includes.
post #1500 of 2827
Not sure this is the place to ask. I currently just have a 2 channel set up. I would love to add a center at some point down the road. I have no real need of a sub and the two rear satellites would be a real issue with my room. I see that the players only deal with 2, 5.1 and 7.1. I am thinking that 3.0 would require a separate processor of some sort. Correct?
Cathy
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