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Originally Posted by triweaver2 View Post

Not sure this is the place to ask. I currently just have a 2 channel set up. I would love to add a center at some point down the road. I have no real need of a sub and the two rear satellites would be a real issue with my room. I see that the players only deal with 2, 5.1 and 7.1. I am thinking that 3.0 would require a separate processor of some sort. Correct?
Cathy

Nope. There are two ways to set up a down-mix. You can use the down-mix setting, or you can turn OFF the speaker outputs you don't intend to wire.

If you want to use just LF/Center/RF then you would go into the Analog Speaker Configuration and set Subwoofer and all 4 Surrounds to OFF. Set LF/RF to Large. Set Center to either Large or Small depending on whether you want it to handle its own bass of have the bass steered to LF/RF instead.

Note that the Center speaker will be silent unless you are playing a multi-channel track -- such as a movie track -- which actually has Center content. If you are playing Stereo content, such as a CD music disc, Center will be silent.

Surround speaker content for multi-channel tracks will be steered into the LF/RF speakers at reduced volume (so the "sound stage" still appears to be placed at the front of the room).

Set as above, all three speakers will have a fairly substantial reduction in volume (attenuation) when playing multi-channel content with an LFE track (the .1 of 5.1 or 7.1). That's because the LFE content that would normally go the subwoofer is being steered to LF/RF because you have the Sub set to OFF. The LFE channel carries LOUD bass and the attenuation is necessary to provide headroom for that. So you'll end up turning up your volume.

You may very well prefer to simply discard that LFE content since you have no Sub and just use the bass that's already present in the mix for the LF/Center/RF channels. To do that, set LF/Center/RF all to Large (so no bass steering happens for any of them) and set the Subwoofer to ON -- EVEN THOUGH THAT JACK IS NOT WIRED TO ANYTHING. The LFE content will be discarded out that unused Subwoofer jack and the other 3 speakers will not need to be volume attenuated.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by ian310567 View Post

Hi, I'm am interested to know what this testing was... but guess I will have to wait. In the meantime, are you able to advise whether or not the 103 or 105 are capable of playing Apple Lossless (ALAC) files directly from a Mac Mini, i.e. without the need for routing via an Apple TV?
You don't need Oppo's network player abilities at all if you play form a Mac mini. Any device with a optical or USB input will play ALAC from a mini. It's when your music is in a separate spot (NAS = network attached storage) that ALAC doesn't work. Altough it's a free codec now so that's a bummer for many folks including me. A Marantz AVR does ith though. Or a Naim network player (UnitiQute). Or a Sonos.

I even use a Firewire DAC for my stereo: the Weiss DAC2. Before USB became asyncronous, Firewire was the only perfect connection between Mac and DAC.
post #1503 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Nope. There are two ways to set up a down-mix. You can use the down-mix setting, or you can turn OFF the speaker outputs you don't intend to wire.
If you want to use just LF/Center/RF then you would go into the Analog Speaker Configuration and set Subwoofer and all 4 Surrounds to OFF. Set LF/RF to Large. Set Center to either Large or Small depending on whether you want it to handle its own bass of have the bass steered to LF/RF instead.
Note that the Center speaker will be silent unless you are playing a multi-channel track -- such as a movie track -- which actually has Center content. If you are playing Stereo content, such as a CD music disc, Center will be silent.
Surround speaker content for multi-channel tracks will be steered into the LF/RF speakers at reduced volume (so the "sound stage" still appears to be placed at the front of the room).
Set as above, all three speakers will have a fairly substantial reduction in volume (attenuation) when playing multi-channel content with an LFE track (the .1 of 5.1 or 7.1). That's because the LFE content that would normally go the subwoofer is being steered to LF/RF because you have the Sub set to OFF. The LFE channel carries LOUD bass and the attenuation is necessary to provide headroom for that. So you'll end up turning up your volume.
You may very well prefer to simply discard that LFE content since you have no Sub and just use the bass that's already present in the mix for the LF/Center/RF channels. To do that, set LF/Center/RF all to Large (so no bass steering happens for any of them) and set the Subwoofer to ON -- EVEN THOUGH THAT JACK IS NOT WIRED TO ANYTHING. The LFE content will be discarded out that unused Subwoofer jack and the other 3 speakers will not need to be volume attenuated.
--Bob

Woo Hoo!! Thank you so much Bob. I'm liking that second option a lot but would try each to see which I like best.
Cathy
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I know people complain a bit about the cost of the Oppo 105, but from my perspective it appears to be a great bargain. About 3-4 years ago I paid nearly as much for a stand alone DAC that accepted only SPDIF in. Now for the same cost I'm getting a very nice universal disk player plus a DAC that has far more flexibility. And I bet I won't be able to detect much if any sound quality difference.

I think it is quite an innovative component that will have a long life in the various systems in my home.

Good job guys.
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Why is it that I can't get any sound when using digital output using coax from my oppo 83 to the digital input of my ead TM 8800 pro. Wanted to use my processor's dac's to decode the digital bitstream. Does only HDMI able to carry this sacd bitstream? Since I have no HDMI input, I am using the analog 8ch out of the oppo to the 8ch bypass into the EAD. If dsd bitstream is converted to lpcm and output thru digital output via coax into dig input of processor to have dac, would that be a better way to listen to sacd's. I'm trying to understand and would appreciate any help.
post #1506 of 2827
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Nevertheless, I would try deleting the partition on one of them, then create a new partition, then format. Needless to say this deletes all data.

I found the problem. It was power. If I connect the Toshiba drives to a powered USB hub and then connect the hub to the BDP-103 USB port, they are recognized by the BDP-103. This seems to be limited to Toshiba USB 3.0 external hard drives, as Seagate and Western Digital USB 3.0 external drives do work when plugged directly into the front or rear USB ports on the BDP-103. Just thought folks should know, just in case someone else has a problem using a Toshiba external hard drive.
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Originally Posted by Ajin View Post

Why is it that I can't get any sound when using digital output using coax from my oppo 83 to the digital input of my ead TM 8800 pro. Wanted to use my processor's dac's to decode the digital bitstream. Does only HDMI able to carry this sacd bitstream? Since I have no HDMI input, I am using the analog 8ch out of the oppo to the 8ch bypass into the EAD. If dsd bitstream is converted to lpcm and output thru digital output via coax into dig input of processor to have dac, would that be a better way to listen to sacd's. I'm trying to understand and would appreciate any help.

You are posting in the wrong thread -- this is really a question for the 83 Owner's Thread. But the answer is simple enough -- albeit not what you'll want to hear -- so I'll just state it:

SACD is a licensed format and the license does not allow audio from SACD playback to be carried over Optical/Coax Digital Audio outputs. At all, in any form.

Your only options for playing SACD on your 83 are HDMI or Analog audio.
--Bob
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Currently owner of the Oppo 95 which I really like. Question, with the upcoming Oppo 105 ability to accept digital signals in order to make use of its dacs, will I be able to connect my satellite box digital output and use the internal Oppo volume controls to listen to 5.1 digital sound from it? I eventually want to connect all the channels from my Oppo directly to an amp like I do to now with the front and center channels. This would eliminate the need for a processor, I send the picture signal through an HDMI splitter.
Edited by luismanrara - 10/4/12 at 3:57pm
post #1509 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ If you are serious about using Analog audio, then you should wait for the OPPO BDP-105 to be released. The 103 is no slouch when it comes to Analog, and now that the 103 is shipping you should start seeing serious reviews of Analog on the 103 shortly. And I expect those will be quite good. But really, the 105 is in a different class.
Since OPPO has not yet released specs on the 105, the Beta Testers can't really talk about it yet. So -- patience. OPPO has stated they expect the 105 to ship before the end of this year.
--Bob

bob,
first off, thanks for all the information that you and other beta testers have provided and will continue to provide. from your experience, assuming you've had experience with both, can you say whether the analog outs of the 105 will provide superior sound to the 95? i had the 95 for a month, and ordered the 93, and compared them back to back. granted, i didn't have my speakers yet and listened to both players on a pair of headphones connected to my tube amp, but both my wife and i could not identify any discernible difference b/w the two. did i miss something obvious? or is the 105 gonna be a lot better than the 95?
post #1510 of 2827
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

Currently owner of the Oppo 95 which I really like. Question, with the upcoming Oppo 105 ability to accept digital signals in order to make use of its dacs, will I be able to connect my satellite box digital output and use the internal Oppo volume controls to listen to 5.1 digital sound from it? I eventually want to connect all the channels from my Oppo directly to an amp like I do to now with the front and center channels. This would eliminate the need for a processor, I send the picture signal through an HDMI splitter.

Until OPPO publishes the specs for the 105, the Beta Testers are restricted in what they can talk about. Patience. It won't be much longer.

However, what you want to do for Volume control DOES work using the HDMI Inputs on the 103. So....
--Bob
post #1511 of 2827
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Originally Posted by jomama View Post

bob,
first off, thanks for all the information that you and other beta testers have provided and will continue to provide. from your experience, assuming you've had experience with both, can you say whether the analog outs of the 105 will provide superior sound to the 95? i had the 95 for a month, and ordered the 93, and compared them back to back. granted, i didn't have my speakers yet and listened to both players on a pair of headphones connected to my tube amp, but both my wife and i could not identify any discernible difference b/w the two. did i miss something obvious? or is the 105 gonna be a lot better than the 95?

I can't really talk about the performance of the 105 in any useful fashion yet. But I can say that there are lots of factors that can affect whether you can detect audio differences between two setups, particularly when BOTH of them are at least "very good".

If YOU can't hear an improvement in the more expensive model, then you might as well save the money. That's one of the reasons OPPO offers a liberal, 30 day return privilege.

As soon as the players are out, you can expect the usual professional review sites will write them up as well.
--Bob
post #1512 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I can't really talk about the performance of the 105 in any useful fashion yet. But I can say that there are lots of factors that can affect whether you can detect audio differences between two setups, particularly when BOTH of them are at least "very good".
If YOU can't hear an improvement in the more expensive model, then you might as well save the money. That's one of the reasons OPPO offers a liberal, 30 day return privilege.
As soon as the players are out, you can expect the usual professional review sites will write them up as well.
--Bob

thanks for your response. unfortunately, the 30day return policy is not going to bridge me until the 105 is available. =/ i may just keep the 103 and call it a day, and save the $700 i save for something else. best buy magnolia was willing to let me keep the 95 until the 105 came out, and then let me swap them out, but by that time, my 103 had already shown up. i'm very happy with the 103 thus far, so maybe i should stop reading about what i might out on by not going with the 105. =)
post #1513 of 2827
Well you can still get a 105 (when available) and compare for yourself. If you still can't hear an improvement then send back the 105. If you DO hear an improvement, then you get to test the legendary resale value of your OPPO 103! biggrin.gif
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Well you can still get a 105 (when available) and compare for yourself. If you still can't hear an improvement then send back the 105. If you DO hear an improvement, then you get to test the legendary resale value of your OPPO 103! biggrin.gif
--Bob

Legendary resale it is!!. I used my Oppo Bdp 93 for 6 months and when i put it up for sale a couple of days ago on eBay it got bids:) within minutes and sold for $100 more than the retail price. I can only imagine how much the 103 will fetch if someone decides to sell it.
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No words on a canadian release once again...is onlybestrated.com the best or only place to get it in Canada? they are saying they are the only authorized dealer here.
But their homepage is showing the 93 as the "new" model, so they don't seem to be that reliable...
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Originally Posted by ThousandThrills View Post

No words on a canadian release once again...is onlybestrated.com the best or only place to get it in Canada? they are saying they are the only authorized dealer here.
But their homepage is showing the 93 as the "new" model, so they don't seem to be that reliable...
There's another site called http://www.solutionsav.ca/
I cannot speak to their integrity, as I have not ordered from them...
Honestly, I'm likely just going to order directly from Oppo when the time comes. I'll pay more in shipping, but it's worth it, I think.
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Originally Posted by SomethingMore View Post

There's another site called http://www.solutionsav.ca/
I cannot speak to their integrity, as I have not ordered from them...
Honestly, I'm likely just going to order directly from Oppo when the time comes. I'll pay more in shipping, but it's worth it, I think.
Thanks, I didn't know about that site. At least, they seem to know about the upcoming models...if it's priced 599$ in Canada, I'll get it from the US yes...good night.
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Originally Posted by erwinfrombelgium View Post

You don't need Oppo's network player abilities at all if you play form a Mac mini. Any device with a optical or USB input will play ALAC from a mini. It's when your music is in a separate spot (NAS = network attached storage) that ALAC doesn't work. Altough it's a free codec now so that's a bummer for many folks including me. A Marantz AVR does ith though. Or a Naim network player (UnitiQute). Or a Sonos.
I even use a Firewire DAC for my stereo: the Weiss DAC2. Before USB became asyncronous, Firewire was the only perfect connection between Mac and DAC.


I think ian310567 is asking if he can take advantage of the Oppo's internal DAC by connecting his mac mini to the Oppo. Not sure if he meant a hard wired or wireless connection...
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I was meaning a hard wired connection, I would not expect full wireless lossless transfer at the original sample rate / bits... although I read something the other day about DTS Play-Fi which may offer a better solution than Apple Airplay.

I understand that I can connect the Mac Mini directly to an Oppo-103 using the HDMI connection and utilise the internal DACs, but I would like to be able to browse music files and select the music to be played from the Mac Mini using an iPhone app or the Oppo remote control (without having the TV on) - I' m not sure if this can be achieved without having an Apple TV in between the units and using the app? I believe that the Apple TV results in a change in the sampling rate to 44.1KHz - having said that my music collection is almost completely ripped in ALAC from CD's, so am I right in saying that it is irrelevant anyway?

As I posted before, I will definitely get an Oppo player, but which one depends on how it integrates with my system - I am quite willing to spend double the amount of money for easier integration & control, even if there is little discernable difference in sound quality. I'm guessing that the optical digital input on the 105 will no offer no benefit over HDMI - but what about the asynchronous USB?

I am confused and would appreciate any futher advice, particularly from Bob, who makes everything very clear in his posts!
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Originally Posted by ian310567 View Post

I was meaning a hard wired connection, I would not expect full wireless lossless transfer at the original sample rate / bits... although I read something the other day about DTS Play-Fi which may offer a better solution than Apple Airplay.
I understand that I can connect the Mac Mini directly to an Oppo-103 using the HDMI connection and utilise the internal DACs, but I would like to be able to browse music files and select the music to be played from the Mac Mini using an iPhone app or the Oppo remote control (without having the TV on) - I' m not sure if this can be achieved without having an Apple TV in between the units and using the app? I believe that the Apple TV results in a change in the sampling rate to 44.1KHz - having said that my music collection is almost completely ripped in ALAC from CD's, so am I right in saying that it is irrelevant anyway?
As I posted before, I will definitely get an Oppo player, but which one depends on how it integrates with my system - I am quite willing to spend double the amount of money for easier integration & control, even if there is little discernable difference in sound quality. I'm guessing that the optical digital input on the 105 will no offer no benefit over HDMI - but what about the asynchronous USB?
I am confused and would appreciate any futher advice, particularly from Bob, who makes everything very clear in his posts!


You can connect the mac mini to the Oppo using the optical output or USB options, that way you avoid having to have the TV on by using the HDMI connection to the Apple TV. Both options (optical or USB) will allow you to use the remote app on iDevices to control your music library/iTunes.

The Oppo 105 (not sure about the 103) has one asynch USB input, which means it generates it's own clock to read the incoming data. A non-asynch USB DAC relies on the (cheap) computer clock circuitry for synchronization which is less desirable (more jitter & noise). I'm pretty sure the Oppos also have "regular/non-asynch" USB inputs.

Btw the Apple TV has a fixed output of 16/48 no matter what you feed it. Most redbook CD material is 16/44.1
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Originally Posted by scolumbo View Post

Gapless playback means there are no artificial pauses between tracks of an album. It doesn't require pressing "play" to navigate from one track to the next. Gapless playback is really important when you have gapless albums - think Dark Side of the Moon as an example. One track transitions to the next without pauses. Gapless albums are especially prevalent in certain genres such as classical, progressive rock, experimental rock, electronic, and ambient.
Why is gapless playback important? Think of sitting down to watch a favorite movie, for me it would be something like Lawrence of Arabia. However, between each chapter of the movie, the screen goes blank for a second. Irritating? That's what listening to recordings with pauses or gaps when they should be gapless is like to me.
Yes, you can rip one continuous FLAC file or try to merge separate files to create a continuous file, but it's a kludgy workaround. For instance, you lose track info and navigation. I do this with some of my gapless albums currently using my 93.
Most decent software players support gapless playback from a pc and some, but not all, media streamers. It's unfortunate (to me at least) that this generation of Oppo player didn't finally have gapless playback when they had 2+ years of lead time to implement it, but it's not to be. I don't blame Oppo, the fault seems to lie with Mediatek. I just wish Oppo wasn't beholden to a chip-maker whose interests lie more with satisfying Sony than with Oppo.
I think my best alternative is bite the bullet and get a media streamer, maybe a Dune, for streaming flac files and keep my 93 for what it does best, disc playback. I'll use my PS3 or maybe get a Roku for streaming services. Three machines but each performs what it does best, and give up the idea that one machine can do it all.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ It's a big deal because:
1) It's one of the few things the player doesn't do. biggrin.gif
The "gap" between file changes in the 103/105 is actually briefer than with the 93/95, but it is still there. And of course it would be kind of silly to grumble about the things the player DOES do. biggrin.gif
2) If you have music that's supposed to have seamless transitions across tracks -- opera recordings come to mind -- then having gaps at the track changes is frustrating. Folks would LIKE the player to be perfect in every respect and this is, as they say, "Still An Opportunity for Improvement".
For videophiles I suppose the equivalent would be pining for "seamless layer change" during SD-DVD playback -- which no Blu-ray player can do at the moment because Blu-ray drives don't include the special, extra buffers necessary to implement that. The 103/105 do an EXCELLENT job of minimizing the layer change delay for SD-DVDs, and in many -- perhaps even MOST -- cases the delay is small enough that you simply won't notice it. But it is still not "seamless".
Part of the problem of implementing gapless playback is the very flexibility of the player. The "next track" could actually be in a wildly different format, and might even require an HDMI handshake to play. The Decoder has to be prepared for that. To be gapless, the decoder would have to buffer TWO streams so it can finish playing the current stream while analyzing what's coming in the next stream. But even that won't avoid an HDMI handshake if it has to happen.
Folks think of gapless in terms of playing multiple files of the SAME file type and content structure within that file. I.e., if the current track is FLAC 2.0 then they think the next track must be FLAC 2.0 and so gapless should be easy. But the decoder can't know that that's the case until it has a chance to look at the next file. Or they think in terms of a gapless player that's not trying to generate HDMI output.
Gapless works for specialized folder structures, which IMPOSE restrictions on what can change from file to file. For example the BDMV folder structure which defines what's allowed and what's required for the files that make up playback of a Blu-ray title.
But when playing random files off a hard drive, there are no such restrictions as to what type of file and content can follow the current file and content.
--Bob

Hi Bob,

thanks a lot for all your advice, I have read most of this thread and found your posts quite helpful.
Earlier in this thread there was a discussion on the missing opportunity of gapeless playback with the Oppo players. Even though I am not a specialist, gapeless playback seems really important to me and I am wondering, if there is not yet another work-arround:
You mentioned that there are two major problems, the wildly different formats as well as the eventually required HDMI handshake. I wonder, if for example a 'pure audio mode', that allows only certain file formats and/or no HDMI handshake. would help to realise at least gapeless audio playback of certain files?
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Originally Posted by ian310567 View Post

. . . .
I am confused and would appreciate any futher advice, particularly from Bob, who makes everything very clear in his posts!

Re alternative ways to play music from a Mac into either the 103/105.

The problem is, I can't talk about the 105 yet. Sorry.

I don't know what the Mac puts out on HDMI for audio, when playing your type of music files. If it can be set to output high bit rate LPCM, then you should be good to go even with a 103.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by vlach View Post

You can connect the mac mini to the Oppo using the optical output or USB options, that way you avoid having to have the TV on by using the HDMI connection to the Apple TV. Both options (optical or USB) will allow you to use the remote app on iDevices to control your music library/iTunes.

The Oppo 105 (not sure about the 103) has one asynch USB input, which means it generates it's own clock to read the incoming data. A non-asynch USB DAC relies on the (cheap) computer clock circuitry for synchronization which is less desirable (more jitter & noise). I'm pretty sure the Oppos also have "regular/non-asynch" USB inputs.

Btw the Apple TV has a fixed output of 16/48 no matter what you feed it. Most redbook CD material is 16/44.1

The Optical/Coax S/PDIF Inputs and the Asynchronous USB Input are all 3, only available on the 105. For the 103, your Input choices are HDMI (also present on the 105). These are all distinct from the 3 USB ports used to attach hard drives (or the Wifi dongle, or a USB keyboard).
--Bob
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Originally Posted by De10 View Post

Hi Bob,

thanks a lot for all your advice, I have read most of this thread and found your posts quite helpful.
Earlier in this thread there was a discussion on the missing opportunity of gapeless playback with the Oppo players. Even though I am not a specialist, gapeless playback seems really important to me and I am wondering, if there is not yet another work-arround:
You mentioned that there are two major problems, the wildly different formats as well as the eventually required HDMI handshake. I wonder, if for example a 'pure audio mode', that allows only certain file formats and/or no HDMI handshake. would help to realise at least gapeless audio playback of certain files?

What's needed is a structured folder format that constrains what can follow what. Playback of a real CD or SACD disc, or playback of Blu-ray -- even in the form of a BDMV folder on a hard drive -- is "gapless" because the rules are in place controlling what comes next. But it is not sufficient just to invent such a structure. The file decoder in the player has to actually implement that type of reading of the structure. Back in the days of the 83, there was a period where playing even an SACD disc was not "gapless" because the folks who make the decoder chip didn't handle that decoding correctly. That got fixed in short order, but if they had NOT fixed it, there's nothing OPPO on their own could have done except abandon the product and make a new design using chips from someone else.

Well the same thing is true here. It is easy to conceive of folder structures which would make this workable -- where the data format and number of channels and quality parameters and etc., etc., are constrained. I.e., you can't just stick any old file in there and expect the transition at either end to be gapless. But unless the decoder maker can be convinced to implement that, it won't happen. And the big boy companies that form the bulk of their business just don't care about this stuff.

As for HDMI handshaking, that's also something were OPPO can't just "do the right thing". The rules for what's allowed are quite strict if you intend to keep your HDMI license. Copy protection is larded on top of it as well, which makes things even weirder.

OPPO is well aware of the interest in gapless playback. The performance enhancements in the new players reduce the gap quite a bit already, but it is still there. If OPPO can find a way to do it which doesn't require them to throw away a bunch of other important features, they'll do it. But at the moment, getting the player itself to do gapless file transitions is not possible. If you are using the player as a DAC, rendering audio from files that have been decoded someplace else, then that's certainly doable. Because the PLAYER is not doing the file decoding in that case. Some general purpose computer is doing that -- since it has the horsepower, and cost, to do it.
--Bob
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How would these units fair against Denon's?
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Still waiting for the launch of BDP-105 I did this calculation:

BD-A1020 RX-A3020 Total MSRP
450 2200 2650
BDP-105 RX-A3020 Total MSRP
1200 2200 3400

BD-A1020 RX-A2020 Total MSRP
450 1700 2150
BDP-105 RX-A2020 Total MSRP
1200 1700 2900

BD-A1020 RX-A1020 Total MSRP
450 1200 1650
BDP-103 RX-A1020 Total MSRP
500 1200 1700

BD-A1020 RX-A820 Total MSRP
450 900 1350
BDP-103 RX-A820 Total MSRP
500 900 1400

BD-A1020 RX-A720 Total MSRP
450 700 1150
BDP-103 RX-A720 Total MSRP
500 700 1200


As any player can not exist alone, at least when it comes to audio, the BDP-103 version stands for any home cinema system but the money spent does not justify analog outputs very much.
But perhaps justified by additional features BD-A-1020 does not have. What are they?

BDP-105 can come into play only in high-end audio systems and then the difference is $ 750. Worth? Why?

Regards, John
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

if I'm just watching a movie (not testing) I'll use HDMI LPCM as I stated.

Just to be sure my understanding is correct:

Bitstream vs. LPCM (aside from the secondary audio issue) should sound completely identical, right? Because it's just data being losslessly decoded, and in both cases the AVR's DACs are doing the D/A conversion. Right?
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that is correct
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Bugs aside, yes.

It's also possible the AVR will offer different types of additional audio processing for the two styles.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by alephc View Post

Still waiting for the launch of BDP-105 I did this calculation:
But perhaps justified by additional features BD-A-1020 does not have. What are they?
BDP-105 can come into play only in high-end audio systems and then the difference is $ 750. Worth? Why?
Regards, John

To me the inputs on the BDP105 are very important. This lets me use this player as a digital preamp in a small music system when its years as a player in my main system are done. With the Sabre DACs and variety of inputs - HDMI, USB and SPDIF and the excellent Sabre DACs this is as good as high end dedicated DACs costing as much or more.

Just this and a good integrated amp like my Krell 400xi and I have an excellent small system.

Can't wait to get my order in.
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