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post #1561 of 2807
10/6/12 at 9:42pm
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... I've pre-ordered one ... The headphone amplifier will be tube driven ... Styln

When did 105 pre-order started and with whom?
Which posting led you to predict that the headphone amp will be tube driven?
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post #1562 of 2807
10/6/12 at 9:48pm
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Tubes: The headphone amplifier will be tube driven

I would say a big no to a tube amp for the HP output wink.gif.

Bill
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post #1563 of 2807
10/7/12 at 1:52am
In thinking about the Cinavia issue, I'm starting to wonder if it is a non-issue.

The problem is that Cinavia prevents format shifting of contact. e.g. it prevents you from watching the BluRay you bought using a file server that contains a .MKV of that file.

However to the best of my knowledge, Cinavia is not required for devices such as TVs so if you've transformed all of your BluRay/DVDs into .MKV files and plug that into a USB enabled TV, there should be no problems with playback.

The catch is that it means you aren't able to use the Oppo's most excellent decoding chip set.

Similarly, an increasing number of TVs are network capable enabling them to use DLNA for reading media files and rendering locally with audio sent off to your AVR (which also doesn't need to worry about Cinavia.)

Thoughts?
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post #1564 of 2807
10/7/12 at 2:32am
Hi,
I own the 95 and since I am pleased with all Oppo players, I have bought so far, I am greatly interested in the 105.
All the new features are what I was looking for.

However, does anybody (maybe Bob?) has an idea about the sound quality.
Since I have compared the 95 with Linn and Naim product, which are of course more expensive, I am also looking for improved sound quality.

Is the DAC section exactly the same as the one in the 95 or better?
May the improved power supply make a difference?
Is there a chance that the DAC gets closer to the Linn Majik or even the Linn Akkurate?

Lots of questions, but this would be the icing on the cake

regards
Thorix
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post #1565 of 2807
10/7/12 at 3:09am
^ Patience. The Beta Testers can't talk about the performance of the 105 until OPPO releases the specifications and starts taking orders. It won't be that much longer.
--Bob
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post #1566 of 2807
10/7/12 at 6:43am
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Well it took a LONG time to figure it out but I got SMB working. It turns out it is Windows Live Mail which is a part of Windows Live Essentials. Although that is the only component of Windows Live Essentials I use or installed if I install that I can't access SMB from the Oppo. Strangely it works when it is first installed but after about 10 minutes you can't access the SMB folders any more. While this program doesn't interfere with my mac, scanner or other pcs from accessing my smb files, it does effect the oppo - probably because you don't enter a path on the Oppo. Thanks everyone who tried to get this working for me. I haven't tried the SMB yet, I just posted the second I got the thing working!

That's interesting! Please write up what you discovered and email to OPPO Tech Suport.
--Bob
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post #1567 of 2807
10/7/12 at 6:58am
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You should always set your crossover with some overlap so 40 or even 50 Hz as the crossover setting would be fine. 32 Hz would not really provide enough overlap from everything I have read. 10-15 DB is usually recommended. I also suspect your speakers are starting to roll off a bit above the 29 Hz claimed low anyway. I have mains that go down to 27 hz (+/- 2 db) and I set my crossover at 40 for my older Oppo player. Sounds fine.

Thanks JazzGuyy,

That is a good point about setting crossover to overlap between Main and Sub.

Could you answer my the other question of "If I set Main to "small", what is the lowest frequency signal be passed to Main? Is output to Main affected by crossover setting?

The Crossover frequency is adjustable. The lowest choice is 40Hz. Simply put, for a "Small" speaker, bass frequencies below the Crossover are extracted and sent out on the Subwoofer output INSTEAD OF to that speaker. The Subwoofer output also gets LFE content from multi-channel tracks (i.e., the .1 of 5.1 or 7.1). LFE content, and bass steered in from Small speakers are mixed together to form the resulting Subwoofer output.

IMPORTANT NOTE: To provide adequate headroom for that mixed output, and noting that LFE is used to record *LOUD* bass, the Subwoofer output is attenuated -15dB when any speakers are set to Small. That means you need to apply +15dB boost to that Subwoofer signal -- external to the player -- to get it to match the other analog outputs in level. In the simplest configurations this is done simply by raising the volume knob on your Subwoofer. Use a calibration disc, such as the LPCM tracks from "AIX Audio Calibration", Blu-ray, and an SPL (Sound Pressure Level) meter to check your setup.

Now, the Crossover is not a brick wall. It rolls into effect over a span of about an octave (factor of 2 in frequency). Note: OPPO has not actually published specs on their Crossover implementation, so what I'm describing here is general practice.

What this means it that if you have speakers spec'd down to 40Hz you don't want the Crossover at 40Hz. The reason is that you want good output from those speakers for about an additional Octave BELOW the Crossover so that they continue to contribute undistorted audio throughout that span of frequencies where the bass is transitioning to the Subwoofer.

So if you have speakers good down to 40Hz, the usual Rule of Thumb would be to set a Crossover of 80Hz.

If you have speakers good down to 20Hz, *THEN* you might want to set a Crossover of 40Hz.

ETA: I should add that all of the above *ONLY* affects the multi-channel Analog outputs. For HDMI or Optical/Coax digital audio output, the same sort of stuff is done via the settings in your AVR or pre-amp Sound Processor. The Speaker Configuration settings in the OPPO itself, such as which speakers are set as Small or Large, or the Crossover frequency choice, have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the digital audio outputs.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/7/12 at 7:58am
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post #1568 of 2807
10/7/12 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That's interesting! Please write up what you discovered and email to OPPO Tech Suport.
--Bob
Hello,

I have sent my Windows Live Essentials bug to Oppo. I tried turning off WIndows Live ID sign in and tried a number of registry changes to get around the issue but Windows Live Mail definitely prevents the Oppo from using SMB folders. From what I've reseached different versions e.g. Live 2011 vs. Live Essentials 2012 slightly modify how SMB works. There are work arounds for some older versions of Live Essentials but not the current one so far. I've installed Thunderbird to get around the issue.
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post #1569 of 2807
10/7/12 at 7:42am
Bob,
I am really hoping that you are soon allowed to speak about the "highend audio" performance
thanks in advance
Thorix
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post #1570 of 2807
10/7/12 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by tme110 View Post

as far as having a real 'control' app or second screen, couldn't oppo just run something like vortexbox and then let people use existing apps for control like mPad or mPod?
I'm thinking about getting an Auraliti music server but basically I'd be paying $700 only for a better way to manage my own music and send it to the Oppo105 when I'd rather just use the Oppo to do it in the first place.

I have a similar topic.

I am looking for a new media player, that is capable of playing cds, dvds, blu rays, ... , as well as my own music / movie collection from an attached network storage (from my point of view that would make for a true universal player, one might want additional streaming capabilities from the internet, but that is not my concern, since I think those are fast moving and in case I would rather get an additional box like the roku streaming devices). I found the new oppo 105 might be exactly what I am looking for, especially considering its great dacs, that are even more valuable due to its digital inputs.

There is only one unsolved issue: As far as I know (from several previous posts in this thread) there still is no real remote app that allows a convenient opportunity to manage and play the music from an attached storage. That is really important to me, because allthough I like to watch a blu ray from time to time, 90% of the time I gonna play music from my own collection (most of my cds are stored as FLACs already).
In comparison, the Cambridge Audio Stream Magic 6 is a very good network player, that has a well arranged remote app for Android and Apple devices. It is actually pretty similar to the Oppo, offering very good dacs in combination with additional digital inputs, but is obviously missing a blu ray drive and video processing capability. Here is a short demonstartion of the app, to make clear what I am talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NZ6r7Njpq1E

Now I wonder if I better combine the Cambridge Audio Streaming Magic 6 with an Oppo 103 as a blu ray player for example, or get the Oppo 105 straightaway, hoping Oppo will add a remote app in the near future. I would really prefere the Oppo 105 as one single device, particulary since the Oppo seems to provide the full functionality (at least hardware wise) anyway.

Maybe you guys can help me by discussing the Oppos control options in more detail.
1. What oppotunities (also not based on an app) are already implemented, to select and play music from an attached storage (e.g. a attached usb harddisc), and to generate playlists or similar?
2. Is there a work arround, e.g. a network storage that allows to push music/videos onto the Oppo player using a remote app (I am not talking of a laptop attached to the usb port, even though that might be a considerable solution...)?
3. Is the Oppo fully capable to be controled by an app (hardware wise)? Is there any chance that an app similar to the one mentioned above is implentated in future or does the Oppo miss any essential requirement for such a realisation?

Thank you for your advice! I hope I am not the only one interessted in that particular demand for a remote app.
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post #1571 of 2807
10/7/12 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Crossover frequency is adjustable. The lowest choice is 40Hz. Simply put, for a "Small" speaker, bass frequencies below the Crossover are extracted and sent out on the Subwoofer output INSTEAD OF to that speaker. The Subwoofer output also gets LFE content from multi-channel tracks (i.e., the .1 of 5.1 or 7.1). LFE content, and bass steered in from Small speakers are mixed together to form the resulting Subwoofer output.
IMPORTANT NOTE: To provide adequate headroom for that mixed output, and noting that LFE is used to record *LOUD* bass, the Subwoofer output is attenuated -15dB when any speakers are set to Small. That means you need to apply +15dB boost to that Subwoofer signal -- external to the player -- to get it to match the other analog outputs in level. In the simplest configurations this is done simply by raising the volume knob on your Subwoofer. Use a calibration disc, such as the LPCM tracks from "AIX Audio Calibration", Blu-ray, and an SPL (Sound Pressure Level) meter to check your setup.
Now, the Crossover is not a brick wall. It rolls into effect over a span of about an octave (factor of 2 in frequency). Note: OPPO has not actually published specs on their Crossover implementation, so what I'm describing here is general practice.
What this means it that if you have speakers spec'd down to 40Hz you don't want the Crossover at 40Hz. The reason is that you want good output from those speakers for about an additional Octave BELOW the Crossover so that they continue to contribute undistorted audio throughout that span of frequencies where the bass is transitioning to the Subwoofer.
So if you have speakers good down to 40Hz, the usual Rule of Thumb would be to set a Crossover of 80Hz.
If you have speakers good down to 20Hz, *THEN* you might want to set a Crossover of 40Hz.
ETA: I should add that all of the above *ONLY* affects the multi-channel Analog outputs. For HDMI or Optical/Coax digital audio output, the same sort of stuff is done via the settings in your AVR or pre-amp Sound Processor. The Speaker Configuration settings in the OPPO itself, such as which speakers are set as Small or Large, or the Crossover frequency choice, have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the digital audio outputs.
--Bob

What a great explanation of how to properly setup the crossover setting. I'm sure you've just helped numerous people understand this sometimes confusing process.
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post #1572 of 2807
10/7/12 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by De10 View Post

I have a similar topic.
I am looking for a new media player, that is capable of playing cds, dvds, blu rays, ... , as well as my own music / movie collection from an attached network storage (from my point of view that would make for a true universal player, one might want additional streaming capabilities from the internet, but that is not my concern, since I think those are fast moving and in case I would rather get an additional box like the roku streaming devices). I found the new oppo 105 might be exactly what I am looking for, especially considering its great dacs, that are even more valuable due to its digital inputs.
There is only one unsolved issue: As far as I know (from several previous posts in this thread) there still is no real remote app that allows a convenient opportunity to manage and play the music from an attached storage. That is really important to me, because allthough I like to watch a blu ray from time to time, 90% of the time I gonna play music from my own collection (most of my cds are stored as FLACs already).
In comparison, the Cambridge Audio Stream Magic 6 is a very good network player, that has a well arranged remote app for Android and Apple devices. It is actually pretty similar to the Oppo, offering very good dacs in combination with additional digital inputs, but is obviously missing a blu ray drive and video processing capability. Here is a short demonstartion of the app, to make clear what I am talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NZ6r7Njpq1E
Now I wonder if I better combine the Cambridge Audio Streaming Magic 6 with an Oppo 103 as a blu ray player for example, or get the Oppo 105 straightaway, hoping Oppo will add a remote app in the near future. I would really prefere the Oppo 105 as one single device, particulary since the Oppo seems to provide the full functionality (at least hardware wise) anyway.
Maybe you guys can help me by discussing the Oppos control options in more detail.
1. What oppotunities (also not based on an app) are already implemented, to select and play music from an attached storage (e.g. a attached usb harddisc), and to generate playlists or similar?
2. Is there a work arround, e.g. a network storage that allows to push music/videos onto the Oppo player using a remote app (I am not talking of a laptop attached to the usb port, even though that might be a considerable solution...)?
3. Is the Oppo fully capable to be controled by an app (hardware wise)? Is there any chance that an app similar to the one mentioned above is implentated in future or does the Oppo miss any essential requirement for such a realisation?
Thank you for your advice! I hope I am not the only one interessted in that particular demand for a remote app.

I think there are quite a few people that want the BDP 103/105 to have a true full functioning remote app (two way communication to and from the device). At this point there are no guarantees for this. There may be hardware limitiations. If that is the case, we may not get this anyway. We already have a potential work around.... with the DLNA Render feature, you can control your BDP 103/105 from a computer or server on the network with a quality UPNP Media Server, like Asset. You can use an app like plug player to control your renderer to push media through to your BDP 103/105.

Additionally, I doubt that the beta users will be able to comment on your last question, due to NDA.

This is an important feature for me as well, but we will see....
Edited by sac8d4 - 10/8/12 at 8:01pm
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post #1573 of 2807
10/7/12 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by edwardkim View Post

When did 105 pre-order started and with whom?
Which posting led you to predict that the headphone amp will be tube driven?

Neuromancer sayeth:
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The DACs are the same, but the implementation is "different". This can either be good or bad, depending on what your personal preference is. Without giving much away, I will say as a Grado RS1 user, I much prefer the analog performance of the BDP-105 over that of the BDP-95.

Opps, I did NOT pre-order, I pre-registered to be notified to pre-order smile.gif

Styln
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post #1574 of 2807
10/7/12 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I would say a big no to a tube amp for the HP output wink.gif.
Bill

Well then, it could be something along the lines that Silly Sally was testing where MCH sound and environments were portrayed in a headphone environment. I've played with this http://www.head-fi.org/t/447089/5-1-headphone-experience-foobar-configuration-for-all-stereo-music-files a few times with mixed results.

Would prefer line-level tubes driving the stereo mains (or all the MCH lines for that matter). I've got some in both my Musical Fidelity Nu-Vista 300 & 3DCP and I've always thought it's one of the reasons they sound as good as they do.

Just having some fun while anticipating...

Styln
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post #1575 of 2807
10/7/12 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by Sango View Post

How would these units fair against Denon's?

Anyone?
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post #1576 of 2807
10/7/12 at 5:52pm
Looks like Asset UPnP audio server is now available for OSX users.

I don't use it on a mac, but I have been running it as a service on various flavours of Windows with my 83 SE for many years. Can't say enough good things about Asset UPnP for flawless, consistent, audio translation/streaming.

Also, just installed Linn's Kinsky Controller program on my Android Galaxy Sii. Found the Asset Server immediately. Initial impression is it's very fast, good looking, and extensively configurable.

Keeping and eye on dbpoweramp's controller to see if it develops beyond Windows support.

Am interested in hearing what other folks are using as a DLNA controller?

Styn
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post #1577 of 2807
10/7/12 at 6:08pm
Want to check something. Maybe I'm missing a setting.

If I have HDMI 1 out going to my TV and HDMI 2 out going to my computer monitor, and the computer monitor is completely off and not on standby and the Oppo still seems to want to "favor" HDMI 2...what setting am I missing there?
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post #1578 of 2807
10/7/12 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Want to check something. Maybe I'm missing a setting.
If I have HDMI 1 out going to my TV and HDMI 2 out going to my computer monitor, and the computer monitor is completely off and not on standby and the Oppo still seems to want to "favor" HDMI 2...what setting am I missing there?

Q, check out the official oppo 103 forum thread. This thread has been relegated to 105 anticipation only.

Styln
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post #1579 of 2807
10/7/12 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

Q, check out the official oppo 103 forum thread. This thread has been relegated to 105 anticipation only.
Styln
Well, given that framework and referring to one of your previous posts regarding 105 predictions, do you really think ALAC support would be limited to the 105 (and bypass the 103?) tongue.gif That would be very un-Oppo like.
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post #1580 of 2807
10/7/12 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Want to check something. Maybe I'm missing a setting.

If I have HDMI 1 out going to my TV and HDMI 2 out going to my computer monitor, and the computer monitor is completely off and not on standby and the Oppo still seems to want to "favor" HDMI 2...what setting am I missing there?

Many monitors have hot HDMI ports when in standby or even off. Disconnect the HDMI cable and see if that makes a difference. Also make sure the player is set to "dual" for HDMI output, not "split". Also keep in mind that the player is designed to ignore that setting when only one display (HDMI-out) is connected. So you shouldn't get "dual" function when only one output is active.
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post #1581 of 2807
10/8/12 at 3:19am
Original question: Would a BDP 103 be able to replace a Logitech Squeezebox Touch with a dac?
Both in sound quality and ease of use.
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

Probably not. The Squeezebox has a lot of user features that I don't think the Oppo does. Control from a browser, touch screen with album art, various plugins, streaming music from internet sources, etc.
As far as sound quality it depends on how good your DAC is.

But what about the upcoming BDP 105, i.e., you could substitute the BDP-105 DAC for the Touch DAC and keep using the Squeezebox for ease of use via computer browser. Correct?
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post #1582 of 2807
10/8/12 at 3:55am
^ What digital audio outputs are available on the Squeezebox?
--Bob
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10/8/12 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Want to check something. Maybe I'm missing a setting.

If I have HDMI 1 out going to my TV and HDMI 2 out going to my computer monitor, and the computer monitor is completely off and not on standby and the Oppo still seems to want to "favor" HDMI 2...what setting am I missing there?

I don't understand what you are asking. What do you mean "the OPPO still seems to want to favor HDMI 2"? Are you just asking for information, or are you using a 103 now and running into some problem.

What's supposed to happen when the HDMI 2 connection is not live is that the Split A/V vs. Dual Display settings choice is ignored and the entirety of the handshake (both for audio and for video) happens using HDMI 1 only.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/8/12 at 4:36am
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10/8/12 at 4:09am
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Originally Posted by Sango View Post

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How would these units fair against Denon's?

Anyone?

If a current or former Denon owner doesn't chime in, keep an eye out for the professional reviews in the usual magazines. The 103 reviews should start showing up shortly. The 105 reviews will have to wait for it to ship of course.
--Bob
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post #1585 of 2807
10/8/12 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by sac8d4 View Post

I think there are quite a few people that want the BDP 103/105 to have a true full functioning remote app (two way communication to and from the device). At this point there are no guarantees for this. There may be hardware limitiations. If that is the case, we may not get this anyway. We already have a potential work around.... with the DLNA Render feature, you can control your BDP 103/105 from a computer or server on the network with a quality UPNP Media Server, like Asset. You can use an app like plug player to control your rendeder to push media through to your BDP 103/105.

Additionally, I doubt that the beta users will be able to comment on your last question, due to NDA.

This is an important feature for me as well, but we will see....

Regarding your comments above, the following was posted last night in the 103 Owner's Thread:
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The BDP-10x does support bi-directional feedback, so IP control will be released through future protocols. Right now OPPO is still finalizing the language for the implementation, so they are not releasing the codes yet.

As long as the player is set to Quick Start, and not Energy Saver, Mode then the player will be able to listen for IP Controls when the player has been turned off.

I think it is important to understand that no release date or feature set has been announced for an improved control app, nor for making the IP protocols public so others can write their own apps. But the important new information here is that the 103/105 (unlike the 93/95) actually have the underlying mechanisms in place to support such apps.

By the way, for those new to the OPPO threads, NEUROMANCER has an inside track on such information. I.e., his post is not just speculation.

Nevertheless, people who REQUIRE such an app would be well advised to WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN rather than buying a 103 (or 105) now in the blithe expectation that it must be coming "real soon now". It is still possible that problems may delay or even prevent release of such features.
--Bob
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post #1586 of 2807
10/8/12 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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By the way, for those new to the OPPO threads, NEUROMANCER has an inside track on such information. I.e., his post is not just speculation.

Hmmm, I've always suspected that Neuromancer is an Oppo employee.
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10/8/12 at 4:42am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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By the way, for those new to the OPPO threads, NEUROMANCER has an inside track on such information. I.e., his post is not just speculation.

Hmmm, I've always suspected that Neuromancer is an Oppo employee.

We here at "Bob Pariseau" have oft suspected that NEUROMANCER is a machine intelligence occupying the vast and intricate byways of the Internet.
--Bob
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post #1588 of 2807
10/8/12 at 4:45am
coaxial, usb, I am able to use the coaxial output currently to substitute a different tube DAC for the DAC built into the Squeezebox Touch
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10/8/12 at 4:54am
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coaxial, usb, I am able to use the coaxial output currently to substitute a different tube DAC for the DAC built into the Squeezebox Touch

The Coaxial Digital Audio Input on the 105 is S/PDIF. Odds are that one will work for you. The Asynchronous USB Digital Audio Input on the 105 is still under wraps -- more on that one after OPPO goes public with the specs on the 105.
--Bob
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post #1590 of 2807
10/8/12 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Coaxial Digital Audio Input on the 105 is S/PDIF. Odds are that one will work for you. The Asynchronous USB Digital Audio Input on the 105 is still under wraps -- more on that one after OPPO goes public with the specs on the 105.
--Bob

The Touch has two digital outs (one of which is orange - the RCA style plug). it also has the usb out as well as ethernet and finally right and left rca analog outs. Because the 105 has the asynchronous usb digital audio input, it would appear you no longer need to use the Squeezebox Touch to connect to a computer via a router (which is a means of avoiding the need for a asynchronous usb computer interface). But the real question as far as the BDP-105 is concerned is just how good its DAC is. The Touch can be obtained for about $250.00 and it has been commented its DAC is nothing special, which is why people sub in other DACs.
Edited by sta363 - 10/8/12 at 6:27am
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