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post #1621 of 2827
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

If you don't own a Denon receiver and therefore can't use DenonLink, I quite honestly see no good reason to consider a Denon player. IMHO of course (and I own a Denon DVD-3930CI in addition to a few Oppo players).

Guess my main concern was the video processor it was using. Wondering if VRS Anchor Bay is the better one or Marvell.

Marvell has sharpening and noise reduction modes that ABT doesn't, but those are mainly to try and improve low quality streams. ABT produces a lovely DVD image.

-Bill
post #1622 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Sango View Post

Guess my main concern was the video processor it was using. Wondering if VRS Anchor Bay is the better one or Marvell.
Regardless, I think there are better choices to consider than Denon especially if you don't have a Denon receiver to make use of DenonLink. One big limitation is that If you can't use DenonLink, the Denon players are pretty much crippled for digital output for SACD. The only 2 Denon players I would consider are their top 2 which cost quite a bit more than an Oppo BDP-103 (or 105 for that matter). There's also more to video processing than simply the chipset selection - the implementation is also pretty important. But none of us can make your mind up for you - only you can do that.
post #1623 of 2827
Ok thanks. Most likely I'll go with the BDP-103 if this is the case.

I'll probably sit back a bit this time since I was on the reserve band wagons for both 83 and 93 before buying.
Edited by Sango - 10/9/12 at 6:26pm
post #1624 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Robosapien View Post

I currently own a BDP-93 which I really love.
However, compared to my Squeezebox Touch, I find it's quite user-unfriendly as a music streamer. With over 1000 albums on my drive navigating through the Mezzmo menu is a slow PITA. Great for streaming video content however.

I'm in the same boat and I agree completely - the squeezebox has a much better user interface (and it's not just a familiarity thing, IMHO). But my BDP-95 sounds so much better than my Squeezebox classic that in one room of the house I will use the Oppo before the Squeezebox all the time. My wife however would never use the Oppo before the Squeezebox for usability reasons. Word is the UI on the 103 is a lot snappier and this is good news but it's more than just a faster usUI that's needed it's the whole design of the UI that is still very bare bones on the Oppo. This is not a complaint so much as an observation; the bdp-95 can access my music files and sounds great doing it.
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Originally Posted by Robosapien View Post

I currently own a BDP-93 which I really love.
However, compared to my Squeezebox Touch, I find it's quite user-unfriendly as a music streamer. With over 1000 albums on my drive navigating through the Mezzmo menu is a slow PITA. Great for streaming video content however.
A couple of things that would really make me jump for the 105 would be a decent Linux compatible USB input and/or a controller app that can rival the Touch's. That way I could eliminate my ES9018 based Eastern Electric DAC, my Musical Fidelity USB/SPDIF converter, my AQVOX power supply and maybe even the Touch. Not to mention all associated cables.

One thing I'm just starting to test out is Plex (plexapp.com) - it isn't available on the Oppo natively but it is available on the Roku Stick from what I hear.

One thing I like the look of is that Plex has an Android app - hopefully that might make my music collection readily available on my phone from anywhere.

This is not an endorsement of Plex as I only just started using it last week. I am running it alongside the Squeezeserver software and I can use any of my 4 squeezeboxes, my BDP-95 or Plex to access my media files stored on my Linux server.

Another plus for Plex in my mind is that it's developed in Python and I am quite comfortable working with Python code.
post #1625 of 2827
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Originally Posted by triweaver2 View Post

Logitech recently discontinued the Squeezebox line. They now have the Logitech UE Smart Radio (about $180 USD) which is similar
IMHO, a portable-radio-ish thing is a whole lot different from a device capable in transporting high resolution music to a high end stereo set such as the Touch (RIP). Uncomprehensible that Logitec didn't come up with a successor straight away. I thought the mix of things like the touch and the radio would let folks enjoy whole house audio. The "Radio" is only suitable for secundary rooms. I guess their focus is elsewhere.
post #1626 of 2827
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Originally Posted by triweaver2 View Post

As an FYI, Logitech recently discontinued the Squeezebox line. I'm sure there are a few still out there for sale though. They now have the Logitech UE Smart Radio (about $180 USD) which is similar. It has a free controller app for IOS and Android. Still need the computer on though so not what Howard was looking for.

DOH! what are they THINKING? The UE Smart Radio isn't in the same league.

Maybe I'll snag a couple of Touch boxes.
post #1627 of 2827
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Originally Posted by emylly View Post

This is not an endorsement of Plex as I only just started using it last week. I am running it alongside the Squeezeserver software and I can use any of my 4 squeezeboxes, my BDP-95 or Plex to access my media files stored on my Linux server.
Plex with a Ruku, and particularly a Ruku Stick, could be fine for some content but IMHO there's a HUGE "gotcha" when dealing with Plex and Roku: the Plex app on the Ruku has limited codec support so many formats (particularly HD video and "lossless" audio formats) must be transcoded to play which means both a requirement for a hefty CPU on the server and a loss of quality. FWIW, I've been enormously pleased with the 103 being able to play everything I've thrown at it directly via DLNA or SMB natively (i.e. zero transcoding).

I'm thinking the ultimate solution is an app for an iOS or Droid device than controls the Oppo directly or software on the server that sends everything to the Oppo using the Oppo's DMR capabilities. I've played a little bit with Twonky Manager on a MacBook Pro pushing content to the Oppo with mixed results. Clearly either the Twonky or Oppo software is not quite there yet but it's also obvious that the potential is enormous. IMHO, it's not a matter of "IF" but "WHEN" somebody produces a robust product software product for this. XBMC supposedly has this capability in an upcoming revision and I'm presuming that others are working on similar capabilities.
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@ emylly

I'll look into Plex.

What I like about the Touch software is the ability to select genres and play random songs.

This cannot be done with Mezzmo and unless I create a rolodex filing system with "A" "B" "C" sub folders I need to scroll through my whole collection to get to artist whose name begins with the letter "Z"

On the other hand, it's not night and day, but the 93's S/PDIF output into my DAC has a tad more "meat on the bones" than the Touch's.

However I managed to close the gap with TT 3.0, Triode's EDO software tweaks and a USB converter so the marginal difference(if any) is no longer worth the hassle
post #1629 of 2827
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post

DOH! what are they THINKING? The UE Smart Radio isn't in the same league.
Maybe I'll snag a couple of Touch boxes.

I know. I was taken by surprise but probably should not have been. I thought about snagging one but figured support might not be there for the long run. My Duet is getting long in the tooth so I will need an option for internet radio. Roku may work for that. I have other ways of getting my ripped CDs and HD downloads.

Not counting on it, but hoping someone cooks up something nice for the new Oppos. I keep checking all these references as they come up to see if there is something truly easy. I can deal with some things but don't want to mess with something that will casue me stress.
Cathy
post #1630 of 2827
It's funny but this one little BR upgrade is going to take a huge chunk out of may savings as it has greased the wheels for me to do a lot of necessary upgrades.

Now that I got the Oppo 103, I'm going to get a new TV and donate my oldest one (moving my living room one to the bedroom along with my oppo 103). Because I'm getting a new TV, I need a new HT cabinet so I'm finally building one deep enough to hold my Anthem Amps. Once I get those I really want to get a new Airport Extreme and 2 Express so I can bridge the two at 802.11ac as soon as the new models are released. So this little $500 Oppo has encouraged me to spend an addtional $5500 or so.
post #1631 of 2827
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Originally Posted by triweaver2 View Post

I know. I was taken by surprise but probably should not have been. I thought about snagging one but figured support might not be there for the long run. My Duet is getting long in the tooth so I will need an option for internet radio. Roku may work for that. I have other ways of getting my ripped CDs and HD downloads.
Not counting on it, but hoping someone cooks up something nice for the new Oppos. I keep checking all these references as they come up to see if there is something truly easy. I can deal with some things but don't want to mess with something that will casue me stress.
Cathy

Yeah, I don't get it - why did they buy Slimdevices only to end-of-life all the products?

The only squeezebox-like product left to buy from Logtitech does not have digital outs.

but I guess that buy-out was almost 5 years ago now?

With so many products now having streaming clients built-in I guess the squeezeboxes were not is such high demand when a device like a Roku provides a similar front end to music and so much more for $99.
post #1632 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Robosapien View Post

@ emylly
I'll look into Plex.
What I like about the Touch software is the ability to select genres and play random songs.
This cannot be done with Mezzmo and unless I create a rolodex filing system with "A" "B" "C" sub folders I need to scroll through my whole collection to get to artist whose name begins with the letter "Z"
On the other hand, it's not night and day, but the 93's S/PDIF output into my DAC has a tad more "meat on the bones" than the Touch's.
However I managed to close the gap with TT 3.0, Triode's EDO software tweaks and a USB converter so the marginal difference(if any) is no longer worth the hassle

The beta version of Plex apparently does audio transcoding too - which will enable me to listen to my music library on the road via 3G/4G and my android phone. I like that idea.

right now I don't have enough upstream bandwidth in my plan to allow for streaming FLAC files - i get capped at about 500kbps upstream and so I run into buffering issues every 30 seconds or so.

My rough,unchecked estimate is that you need ~900 kbps to stream FLAC? So I guess I could jump up a plan or two with my providor to reach that.
post #1633 of 2827
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Plex with a Ruku, and particularly a Ruku Stick, could be fine for some content but IMHO there's a HUGE "gotcha" when dealing with Plex and Roku: the Plex app on the Ruku has limited codec support so many formats (particularly HD video and "lossless" audio formats) must be transcoded to play which means both a requirement for a hefty CPU on the server and a loss of quality. FWIW, I've been enormously pleased with the 103 being able to play everything I've thrown at it directly via DLNA or SMB natively (i.e. zero transcoding).

That's good info - thanks - I would not be interested at all if Plex could not play FLAC natively within my house.

But I would like Plex to transcode FLAC files to 320kbps mp3 so i can access them on my phone outside my house - I would consider that a feature (and I think they are doing that in their Betas - I'm going to check the Beta out tonight).
post #1634 of 2827
So, umm, if the European dealer sites are to be believed, the European model BDP-103EU players should have started shipping today. Anyone actually managed to lay hands on one yet?

ETA: One dealer, Audiocom in the UK, has just changed the status of the BDP-103EU on its order page to "IN STOCK". smile.gif
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/10/12 at 7:53am
post #1635 of 2827
wow, here we go, it's that time of the year. I'm just getting comfortable using my BDP-93, my (one-year-old) BDP-95 is still in-box never opened (as I'm still setting-up room), and here are two new Oppo players. Now I'm stressing out whether to sell my BDP-95?smile.gif
post #1636 of 2827
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

wow, here we go, it's that time of the year. I'm just getting comfortable using my BDP-93, my (one-year-old) BDP-95 is still in-box never opened (as I'm still setting-up room), and here are two new Oppo players. Now I'm stressing out whether to sell my BDP-95?smile.gif

Why did you recently buy *both* a 93 and 95?

I mean, you knew that OPPO likely had new models coming out soon.

Wow, I had to read your post 3x before I noticed "my (one-year-old) BDP-95 is still in-box never opened"

Serious procrastination! biggrin.gif

Maybe sell the 93, but keep the 95?

I mean, the new 103 sure looks tempting to me. And if you don't use headphones, why spend $1200 for the still not released 105?
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

I mean, the new 103 sure looks tempting to me. And if you don't use headphones, why spend $1200 for the still not released 105?

Seriously? Not sure if you meant this literally but the BDP-105 is much, MUCH more than a BDP-103 + headphone amp.
post #1638 of 2827
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

Wow, I had to read your post 3x before I noticed "my (one-year-old) BDP-95 is still in-box never opened"Serious procrastination!
yes, serious procrastination. I've been working on various things in our house at the same time, got very delayed getting main theater room set-up. In the mean time a year goes by and I'm sitting here looking at like three never-opened boxes (ie. Marantz AV-7005, Oppo BDP-95, Sony SCD-XA5400ES).
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Maybe sell the 93, but keep the 95?
I mean, the new 103 sure looks tempting to me. And if you don't use headphones, why spend $1200 for the still not released 105?
I'm using the BDP-93 in a more simplistic living room set-up with a Denon AVR-2112CI receiver, works beautifully- streaming music files from WIN Media archive, NetFlix, etc.,..., very happy with this Oppo player. And beautiful playback from SD-DVD and BD titles, hard to believe the BDP-103 could improve on this. Although I would like to have 4K up-sampling capability.

I really got the BDP-95 for analog playback of SACD's, RedBook CD's, etc.,...

I'm amazed at the number of listings on eBay for BDP-83, especially at the various price ranges, incredible.
Edited by WestCoastD - 10/10/12 at 11:49am
post #1639 of 2827
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

yes, serious procrastination. I've been working on various things in our house at the same time, got very delayed getting main theater room set-up. In the mean time a year goes by and I'm sitting here looking at like three never-opened boxes (ie. Marantz AV-7005, Oppo BDP-95, Sony SCD-XA5400ES).
I'm using the BDP-93 in a more simplistic living room set-up with a Denon AVR-2112CI receiver, works beautifully- streaming music files from WIN Media archive, NetFlix, etc.,..., very happy with this Oppo player. And beautiful playback from SD-DVD and BD titles, hard to believe the BDP-103 could improve on this. Although I would like to have 4K up-sampling capability.
I really got the BDP-95 for analog playback of SACD's, RedBook CD's, etc.,...
I'm amazed at the number of listings on eBay for BDP-83, especially at the various price ranges, incredible.

If you were closer, I'd probably buy the 95 from you.
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A 1-year old 95, still sealed in the box, almost certainly has the ISO-capable firmware in it, too. The resale value of that should be quite good if offered to the ISOphiliacs out there.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

... I'm using the BDP-93 in a more simplistic living room set-up with a Denon AVR-2112CI receiver, works beautifully- streaming music files from WIN Media archive, NetFlix, etc.,..., very happy with this Oppo player. And beautiful playback from SD-DVD and BD titles, hard to believe the BDP-103 could improve on this. Although I would like to have 4K up-sampling capability.

Nice response, thanks. Snipped some to be frugal. smile.gif

IMHO the whole 4K thing is misleading. Not to mention that it won't happen, for real, anytime soon. Which means that if/when it does happen for real, the stuff that you bought now for 4K will likely be inadequate.
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I really got the BDP-95 for analog playback of SACD's, RedBook CD's, etc.,...

I was serious when I suggested selling the 93 and keeping the 95.

The new 103 has more than a few improvement over the 93, including a better laser that allows it to read marginal discs when most players won't. So far the main (only?) person to report on this is Bob Pariseau.
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I'm amazed at the number of listings on eBay for BDP-83, especially at the various price ranges, incredible.

I hate buying and selling used hifi stuff. But I do do it. Best deal ever was a Denon 5910ci DVD player ($4k list) that I got new on closeout at $1k from a Denon authorized dealer.

Reminds me of the cartoon where the wife walks into the house and says to her seated husband: "Darling, I saved 20,000 dollars!". smile.gif
post #1642 of 2827
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

I was serious when I suggested selling the 93 and keeping the 95. The new 103 has more than a few improvement over the 93, including a better laser that allows it to read marginal discs when most players won't
yeah, I also own a never-been-played (initial release) BDP-83 unit, still trying to get it configured in a bedroom set-up. Thinking, could sell it to help pay for BDP-103?
post #1643 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

A 1-year old 95, still sealed in the box, almost certainly has the ISO-capable firmware in it, too. The resale value of that should be quite good if offered to the ISOphiliacs out there
do the more recent released BDP-95 units not have ISO firmware? why?
post #1644 of 2827
^ The studios had a hissy fit and forced OPPO to remove ISO support. December firmware from last year is the last that still had it.
--Bob
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I was offered $600 plus shipping and paypal fees for my "new in box" 93 with iso capable firmware....
I am liking the playback of the 103 via attached hard drives from BD folder structure. Watched Avengers all the way through with no issues and glorious picture and HD sound...
post #1646 of 2827
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Originally Posted by comicguy View Post

I was offered $600 plus shipping and paypal fees for my "new in box" 93 with iso capable firmware....
I am liking the playback of the 103 via attached hard drives from BD folder structure. Watched Avengers all the way through with no issues and glorious picture and HD sound...

I just paid full pop for a 93 in order to play my dvd-a iso's. That's something that the 103 cannot do. I would have jumped on the 103 if that were not the case.
post #1647 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ The studios had a hissy fit and forced OPPO to remove ISO support. December firmware from last year is the last that still had it
I see, thanks Bob. So once I accept an automatic Oppo firmware upgrade on-line (upon initial set-up and power-ON) my un-molested BDP-95 will then become molested an lose it's coveted ISO functions? But would'nt I be missing out on more recent (important) fixes?
post #1648 of 2827
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Originally Posted by quattroatl View Post

I just paid full pop for a 93 in order to play my dvd-a iso's. That's something that the 103 cannot do. I would have jumped on the 103 if that were not the case.
was this a factory unit? or from a private seller?
post #1649 of 2827
Yep! Of course there's no firmware update unless you tell it to proceed. It won't do a stealth firmware install.

But obviously if you don't use current firmware you don't get the advantage of bug fixes and new title compatibility changes that have been introduced since last December.

The firmware history can be reviewed in the first post of the BDP-93 Owner's Thead.
--Bob
post #1650 of 2827
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

was this a factory unit? or from a private seller?

Factory unit with full warranty.
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