Official OPPO BDP-103/BDP-105 Anticipation Thread - Page 56

The analog video outputs might interest a few people too!

Well my poor 103 has been laying on top of its box since last Wednesday..... I've been caught up in replacing / upgrading my Control4 system and testing everything.

Q. Since it appears that the players are capable of IP control due to the app on mobile phones what is the likelihood that Oppo will release the information for custom installers to create an IP driver for Crestron, Control4 etc? Secondly is the IP control currently in an infant stage where it is only able to perform the minor controls seen on the phone and maybe it needs firmware updates before that is released?

I would certainly be interested in someone running a comparison speed test with a PS3 to the 103 loading a disc. It was/is my understanding that the PS3 is still the fastest bluray player in terms of loading discs and getting to previews and menus etc due to its processor power. If the 103 beats the 790 and the PS3 then Oppo certainly will hold the crown of the best for a few more years at least, even if it is close it'll still win many more awards.

To me this is kind of like saying

"I drive a Chevy Malibu and am thinking of putting the 6.2L Supercharged motor that they use in the CTS-V, I have no need for high performance tires and could I use 87 octane fuel when I'm done" <-- the Oppo being the supercharged engine.

To try to answer your question I've never seen anyone running 3 channels with no sub. Actually that's wrong, I myself ran 3 channels when I was installing my focal inwall speakers because the rears were going to be ceiling mount and I procrastinated on it. You do not need a separate processor just setup for 5.1 you'll get your center channel which is mostly voice and the left and right speakers will get the other sounds which depending on content could have some or a lot of different audio including voices. I highly highly HIGHLY suggest a sub...... You are missing a LOT of "action" audio wise without a sub, as for the rears you'll miss ambient sounds but it isn't as dramatic of a difference as missing the sub in the theater equation.

Hope this helps Cathy

Denon Bluray players? I would have hoped after the embarassingly made that "universal" bluray player that was $3800 MSRP a few years ago and the subsequent failures of the other bluray players they would have just given up. I have the AVP/POA preamp/amp and the AVR-5308CI from Denon and I am so very glad I didn't get one of their bluray players. I look at the forum sometimes and see people saying discs not working and hardly any firmware updates. To date I haven't had a disc not work in my Oppo I'm sure some people might have but not me. Very happy with Oppo.

Let me put it to you this way. I have the AVP-A1HDCI with the POA amp both Denon's top of the line. I have the AVR-5308CI also for the bedroom...So both have DenonLink 4th Gen. It is NOT worth it just to use the DenonLink which they are replacing anyway to a different connector as someone else mentioned.

I had a BDP-93 before and have a BDP-103 now and have been extremely happy with Oppo. FYI both of my Denon AVP and 5308CI units have been to service center to have processors and something else replaced which would have cost me $1200 in repairs each fortunately Denon did cover the repairs but calling their tech support was like talking to some kid in high school they are absolutely clueless. I still have a case open from 2 weeks ago which I resolved myself btw, no one called me back after it was supposedly moved up to their engineering dept and supposedly 24-48 hour call back (ya right). So Denon support very bad, with the exception they at least covered warranty issue and my 5308CI was out of warranty for 5 months.

I run a motorized anamorphic lens 2.35:1 on a JVC-RS2 projector (zoom stretch 1 button awesome) for theater and a 63" 3D plasma in bedroom the Oppo handles both rooms with HDMI1 and HDMI2 and my Control4 handles all of the switching with my Denon AVP & 5308CI. Did I mention love my Oppo?

Thank you pentium7. I'm mostly looking for clarity in the dialog on movies where I route the sound to the stereo. I may skip the center as I don't do a lot of movies anyway. More interested in the 105 for the analog outs for SACD and other HD music playback. Waiting to hear more about the USB in to see if it might replace my stand alone DAC as well for the ripped CD collection. Most of my music is on the quieter side these days.
Cathy

I agree. I have the Denin AVP and POA and have an Oppo BDP 93 connected. Works perfect. Might get a mew BDP-103 or BDP-105 and use the 93 elsewhere. SJ

It is expected that OPPO will make the IP control language public, but they've not done so yet. It is still undergoing revision.
--Bob

The problem with running a comparison like this is that there are certain elements of disc loading which run at fixed speed regardless of the player.

For example, non-skippable warning screens display for 10 seconds in any player. Or a non-skippable studio logo animation will run at the same speed in any player.

And some studios (I'm looking at YOU, Universal!) like to load preview/trailers and other forms of advertising over the Internet during disc loading. How long that takes depends on the speed of your Internet service -- again, distinct from the player. And some discs authored with BD-Java even download updates to their own BD-Java programming!

So all of this tends to mask the actual performance of the player itself.

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I don't have a 790, so I'll have to limit my comments to the PS3. I have a FAT PS3 of the newer vintage after they deleted SACD playback capability.

In terms of Power UP, the 103, with its new Quick Start feature, easily trumps the PS3. I.e., 7 seconds from pressing the Power button to having Home Menu stable on the HDMI 1 output. Or to put it another way, if you use Tray Open to also Power UP the player, odds are the player will be fully powered up before you have time to stick the disc in the tray.

(The PS3 takes about 25 seconds to finish powering up, but that also includes automatic log in to the PS3 network.)

Here's an example disc loading test. The disc is "Kung Fu Panda", Blu-ray, which is authored with BD-Java and includes BD-Live functionality (both of which complicate disc loading). These timings are made from AFTER each player has finished powering up.

For the 103, I started the stop-watch when I pressed Tray Close to both close the Tray and initiate playback. For the PS3, I started the stop-watch when I inserted the disc into the slot loader -- which also initiated play. I.e., the physical process of loading the disc IS included in the timings in both cases.

This disc has a non-skippable DreamWorks animation logo that plays during disc loading. That is included in the timings since it can not be skipped, and thus makes the SLOWER player actually look better in terms of percentage timing difference.

In both cases I stopped the stop-watch when Top-Menu finished appearing and the Play button was highlighted at the lower left. The display of Top Menu also includes an animated sequence, so this IS included in the timings since it can not be skipped, and, once again, this biases the percentage difference in favor of the SLOWER player since of course both players play the animations at the same speed.

But this disc ALSO includes some preview/trailers that CAN be skipped by pressing Pop-up Menu at the right moment AFTER that initial, DreamWorks logo animation finishes. For both players I pressed Pop-up Menu the instant the Green ratings screen appeared for the first preview -- so the previews portion of the disc load timing is almost entirely excluded. This shortcut causes Top Menu to load next.

Wifi networking, and BD-Live processing where enabled in both players.

I ran both tests several times to make sure the results were repeatable. In the case of the 103 they WERE repeatable. In the case of the PS3, the FIRST try took longer. I believe the difference was that for the first try the PS3 took some time to go out on the network to retrieve artwork.

Here are the results:

OPPO BDP-103: ALL TRIES 63 seconds

Sony PS3: FIRST TRY 97 seconds / SUBSEQUENT TRIES 88 seconds

--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/11/12 at 7:46am

Bob, WOW now that is impressive! Thanks for testing that out it is always a good feeling to know you upgraded for a good reason and speed of the player for me was one of them. Was really nice how well the 93 kept its value too after 2 years extremely rare in this industry. Especially since my JVC-RS2 which was 9k MSRP is now worth about $1400

That really depends on what type of front L+R speakers are used. They might be adequate if they are full range. The information contained in the LFE signal i also present in the front L+R channels. With very good front L+R speakers the quality of bass might even be more coherent, quicker, tighter and more concise since it doesn't suffer from timing & phase issues which a sub has given it's in a separate enclosure in a different location, even if blended in really well with the front speakers. If ultimate bass impact is the goal, then a sub certainly has its merits.

You're missing the very important fact that the LFE channel has higher levels than the main channels. This content cannot be mixed into L-R at the same levels.

I'm well aware of that fact. if you read the last sentence of my post, you will see that i covered this by mentioning a sub will offer more impact.

OK, I feel I've anticipated enough already and I'm ready to move on to the ordering stage.

Come on Oppo, you are killing us here.

When will Amazon start selling the 103 on their website?

Looking to upgrade to 105. I just have to sell my 95 for a good deal.

Agree Oppo has had the same software features in the core models 83/83SE and 93/95. You'd think it would continue on the 103/105.
Vinnie, please read post 1064 from Ian, and Bob's reply a few post later. What's your take?

Bill says no tubes in the headphone circuit and you say no ALAC/AIFF in the 105 software. So many doubters, so few speculators

Styln

The 105 must be getting closer. OPPO has moved its photo to their home page.
--Bob

I hope so. But alas I think it's still 3027 miles away from my equipment rack.

Canada should become ONE country with the US, it's taking a lot of time just to get any info at all about the 103 over here...

Do you really want to share in our national debt?

Don't worry, we'll invade soon.

mind as well share the bill, we're their best defense system anyway. besides, we're going to adapt their medical system soon...

Our debt is not any better...this is a good reason to get the 105 over the 103 before we all die.

I was thinking aobut getting the 105 while our money can still buy something. Nothing like a pile of paper money which only has value as a fire starter.

It's a well known fact that unspent piles of money (paper or coins) result in poorer perceived audio quality and increased chances of seeing video artifacts....
--Bob

Let OPPO know that a lot of members here are suffering from "poorer perceived audio quality and increased chances of seeing video artifacts....", and need OPPO to release 105, ASAP, to solve those problems ...
Edited by edwardkim - 10/13/12 at 12:49pm