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post #1681 of 2827
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Do you really want to share in our national debt?

At this rate Canada will be able to buy the US for a case of Labatts.
post #1682 of 2827
hello all,

i currently have the PS3 for blu-ray playback and was looking to upgrade to the new 103 or 105. is the only advantage of the 105 over the 103 with analog audio output? i'll be using HDMI to my A/V receiver so if so, the 105 would not benefit me. i am looking for the better image quality and will pay the extra $$$ for the 105 if it has it.

thanks
post #1683 of 2827
^ OPPO has not yet released the specs on the 105, so we can't talk about it yet in any detail. What's known from the information released so far is that in addition to the improved Analog audio outputs, the 105 also has 3 additional types of digital audio INPUTS (Optical, Coax, and Asynchronous USB) and a Headphone output jack.
--Bob
post #1684 of 2827
DTS-HD Master Audio format supports a maximum of 192 kHz sampling frequency and 24-bit depth samples from 2 to 5.1 channels, and 96 kHz/24bit resolution up to 7.1 channels.

According BDP-103's manual for HDMI Output it's two option:

1. Bitstream - DTS-HD Master Audio

2. LPCM up to 96kHz/24-bit 7.1ch or 192kHz/24-bit 2ch


If I'm going to use analog outputs (6CH - 5.0 or 2 +2 +2) for classical music then source content DTS HD MA 24/192 will be downscaling to 24/96 and then converted to analog?

Thanks
post #1685 of 2827
It's the exact same video processor. The idea is to connect HDMI for anything video plus 2ch or 7.1 analogue for audio. The digital inputs further widen the audio playback options. As Oppo states themselves: the video performance is the same.

http://www.oppodigital.com/
post #1686 of 2827
kunst12,
Nope, no downscaling. If the DTS-HD MA coming off the disc is 192KHz, which can only happen with a 5.1 track or lower, then that's what's going to the DACs for your 6.0 Analog output configuration. (The Blu-ray specs don't allow 192KHz 7.1 DTS-HD MA tracks on disc.)

(The Manual should say 2.0 or 5.1 for 192Khz DTS-HD MA. Where did you spot 5.1 missing?)
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 10/14/12 at 12:56am
post #1687 of 2827
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Originally Posted by kunst12 View Post

DTS-HD Master Audio format supports a maximum of 192 kHz sampling frequency and 24-bit depth samples from 2 to 5.1 channels, and 96 kHz/24bit resolution up to 7.1 channels.
According BDP-103's manual for HDMI Output it's two option:
1. Bitstream - DTS-HD Master Audio
2. LPCM up to 96kHz/24-bit 7.1ch or 192kHz/24-bit 2ch
If I'm going to use analog outputs (6CH - 5.0 or 2 +2 +2) for classical music then source content DTS HD MA 24/192 will be downscaling to 24/96 and then converted to analog?
Thanks
Based on your quotes from the manual, I'd say no, it deals with 24/192 in 5.1. But if you're keen on that kind of high resolution, wouldn't you need the 105 to hear any difference in SQ?

Edit: I see Bob beat me to it.
post #1688 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

kunst12,
Nope, no downscaling. If the DTS-HD MA coming off the disc is 192KHz, which can only happen with a 5.1 track or lower, then that's what's going to the DACs for your 6.0 Analog output configuration. (The Blu-ray specs don't allow 192KHz 7.1 DTS-HD MA tracks on disc.)
(The Manual should say 2.0 or 5.1 for 192Khz DTS-HD MA. Where did you spot 5.1 missing?)
--Bob

Thanks, Bob.
The Manual should say 2.0 to 5.1 for 24/192 DTS-HD MA. (it's page 68 of the manual version 1.2)
Your answer is an opinion or a fact?

Regards
post #1689 of 2827
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Originally Posted by kunst12 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

kunst12,
Nope, no downscaling. If the DTS-HD MA coming off the disc is 192KHz, which can only happen with a 5.1 track or lower, then that's what's going to the DACs for your 6.0 Analog output configuration. (The Blu-ray specs don't allow 192KHz 7.1 DTS-HD MA tracks on disc.)
(The Manual should say 2.0 or 5.1 for 192Khz DTS-HD MA. Where did you spot 5.1 missing?)
--Bob

Thanks, Bob.
The Manual should say 2.0 to 5.1 for 24/192 DTS-HD MA. (it's page 68 of the manual version 1.2)
Your answer is an opinion or a fact?

Regards
Day one. Post two. Oh my. biggrin.gif
post #1690 of 2827
I checked in version 1.3 of the manual and are the same specs.

I find that it is important for me, as for anyone interested in listening quality, to know what "performance" buy, especially it's not little price.

I apologize if my question was too direct. My interest was not to offend anyone.

Between you and me Pioneer Elite SC-68 has all the features of the BDP-105 (and that far in front on 105) and also has amplification (all for MSRP 2500$), and more DSD (SACD DFF Files) Playback via Front USB !

And for read all type of disk media it's enough a "toaster" (a few hundred dollars).

Regards
Edited by kunst12 - 10/14/12 at 6:02am
post #1691 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

It's a well known fact that unspent piles of money (paper or coins) result in poorer perceived audio quality and increased chances of seeing video artifacts....
--Bob

So that's how you got the D2V. lol
post #1692 of 2827
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Originally Posted by kunst12 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

kunst12,
Nope, no downscaling. If the DTS-HD MA coming off the disc is 192KHz, which can only happen with a 5.1 track or lower, then that's what's going to the DACs for your 6.0 Analog output configuration. (The Blu-ray specs don't allow 192KHz 7.1 DTS-HD MA tracks on disc.)
(The Manual should say 2.0 or 5.1 for 192Khz DTS-HD MA. Where did you spot 5.1 missing?)
--Bob

Thanks, Bob.
The Manual should say 2.0 to 5.1 for 24/192 DTS-HD MA. (it's page 68 of the manual version 1.2)
Your answer is an opinion or a fact?

Regards

Thanks for pointing out where you spotted that. (It is indeed the 68th page into the newer V1.3 version of the Manual, but actually "Page 64" of the Manual.) That is a typo in the Manual -- a hold-over from the BDP-93 and 95 which indeed had the limitation that the rarely found, 5.1 DTS-HD MA 192KHz track format really did get decoded as 96KHz both for HDMI LPCM output and for the Analog outputs.

That restriction no longer exists in the BDP-103 (or 105). I've tested it myself. If you play a 5.1 DTS-HD MA 192KHz 24-bit track on those with HDMI LPCM output you get 5.1 LPCM 192KHz 24-bit. And the implementation is such that that's also what gets sent to the DACs for Analog output.

I'll alert the folks who edit the Manual.
--Bob
post #1693 of 2827
Thank you, Bob!
I appreciate your effort.
Almost certainly i'll become a holder of the BDP-105, but i'm looking forward for a very good rating for analog outputs (consistent with my previous post #1493 smile.gif )

Regards, same John (alephc)

P.S.
Sorry Rboster, but I have over 40 years so there are not so new, and usually I read a lot and not just on the forums, before I write.
By the way, in science there is no room for pride, nor the bailiff. S from AVS comes from science, right? smile.gif
You heard about Grigori Perelman? No marketing, just science!
Edited by kunst12 - 10/14/12 at 8:12am
post #1694 of 2827
The lighthearted commentary on the doom and gloom is a nice touch. Better to laugh than to cry.
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Originally Posted by Styln View Post

Agree Oppo has had the same software features in the core models 83/83SE and 93/95. You'd think it would continue on the 103/105.
Vinnie, please read post 1064 from Ian, and Bob's reply a few post later. What's your take?
Bill says no tubes in the headphone circuit and you say no ALAC/AIFF in the 105 software. So many doubters, so few speculators smile.gif
Styln
I checked Ian's post. Using the 105 as a DAC is of course a workaround for ANY file it won't natively pay. To me, that's not worth the inflated cost of the 105. I'm eying a 103 at the moment.
post #1695 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Like not for a month to month and a half after the player is sold publicly on OPPO's website.
Wow, so maybe December at the earliest?! I thought I could wait, but now I'm not so sure.
post #1696 of 2827
Thread Starter 
OPPO has traditionally held back the release of the players to their retailer channels to ensure that the major bugs, ie the ones which would cause customers return product or to request replacements thinking the hardware is defective, are removed from the player. Depending on how stable the current players are in the hands of general customer, the players may be released to retailers sooner rather than later.
post #1697 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

OPPO has traditionally held back the release of the players to their retailer channels to ensure that the major bugs, ie the ones which would cause customers return product or to request replacements thinking the hardware is defective, are removed from the player. Depending on how stable the current players are in the hands of general customer, the players may be released to retailers sooner rather than later.

Does this mean relative to the glitches being mentioned on this forum that they are software related and fixable by firmware updates, or are one or more of the problems mentioned hardware related?
post #1698 of 2827
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Originally Posted by pentium7 View Post

Let me put it to you this way. I have the AVP-A1HDCI with the POA amp both Denon's top of the line. I have the AVR-5308CI also for the bedroom...So both have DenonLink 4th Gen. It is NOT worth it just to use the DenonLink which they are replacing anyway to a different connector as someone else mentioned.
I had a BDP-93 before and have a BDP-103 now and have been extremely happy with Oppo. FYI both of my Denon AVP and 5308CI units have been to service center to have processors and something else replaced which would have cost me $1200 in repairs each fortunately Denon did cover the repairs but calling their tech support was like talking to some kid in high school they are absolutely clueless. I still have a case open from 2 weeks ago which I resolved myself btw, no one called me back after it was supposedly moved up to their engineering dept and supposedly 24-48 hour call back (ya right). So Denon support very bad, with the exception they at least covered warranty issue and my 5308CI was out of warranty for 5 months.
I run a motorized anamorphic lens 2.35:1 on a JVC-RS2 projector (zoom stretch 1 button awesome) for theater and a 63" 3D plasma in bedroom the Oppo handles both rooms with HDMI1 and HDMI2 and my Control4 handles all of the switching with my Denon AVP & 5308CI. Did I mention love my Oppo?

I was thinking more like the Denon DBP-2012UDCI specifically and wondering how it would fair against a 103/105. I do have a Denon receiver (I said I don't but I don't intend to use it on that receiver unless I want to), which is the AVR-889 which I believe it does not have Denon Link. I'm sort of stumped!!
post #1699 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

OPPO has traditionally held back the release of the players to their retailer channels to ensure that the major bugs, ie the ones which would cause customers return product or to request replacements thinking the hardware is defective, are removed from the player. Depending on how stable the current players are in the hands of general customer, the players may be released to retailers sooner rather than later.
Decisions, decisions. It seems to be doing pretty well bug-wise, so I'm going to hold out for now. Thanks for yer informed input.
post #1700 of 2827
I'm new to this Blue-Ray Player world. I was looking at getting the Integra DBS-50.3 but these Oppo's look pretty amazing as well with their great reviews. I don't know why there isn't too many reviews on the Integra player. I wonder if theres much of a difference between the two companies. I'm anxious to see what details the BDP-105 will offer and decided if I should stay with Integra or go to Oppo.

Also that 2D to 3D conversion kind of brings interest to me too.

Peace to all. smile.gif
post #1701 of 2827
Do I really need my player to play SACD's?

Also, I'm just looking to play Blue-Rays and DVD's. I guess the movies A/V signals will go straight to the receiver to be coded and sent to the tv, or will the signals be coded in the blue-ray player first then sent over to the receiver?

I'm not going to be using my blue-ray player as a stand-alone unit connected directly to my Plasma. So what do I really need? Anyone????.....


Peace to all.confused.gif
post #1702 of 2827
stupid question, how do would I connect the DAC from the oppo105 via usb to my pc with my integrated amp?
post #1703 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dlfromcanada View Post

stupid question, how do would I connect the DAC from the oppo105 via usb to my pc with my integrated amp?

PC to oppo via usb or coax or optical, audio outs (left, right) to your integrated...
post #1704 of 2827
thanks
post #1705 of 2827
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Originally Posted by Cigarjohn47 View Post

Do I really need my player to play SACD's?
That can't be answered until we know if you have any SACDs or have plans on collecting them.

As to your other question, ideally you want the player to send the video signal unscathed to the display (unless you have a favored video processor between the TV and player).
post #1706 of 2827
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sta363 View Post

Does this mean relative to the glitches being mentioned on this forum that they are software related and fixable by firmware updates, or are one or more of the problems mentioned hardware related?

Software oriented. There are things here and there that some customers would not find acceptable in the player, and OPPO needs to suss these out before it goes to mainstream sales (ala Amazon.com).
post #1707 of 2827
Well, I just successfully sold my BDP-95 much more quickly than I thought it would sell, so I'm ready for the BDP-105 NOW!!! :-)
post #1708 of 2827
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Originally Posted by dlfromcanada View Post

stupid question, how do would I connect the DAC from the oppo105 via usb to my pc with my integrated amp?

Stereo analog connection - phono or XLR. It's probably the only type of inputs most integrated amps have.
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Originally Posted by smonska View Post

NOW!!! :-)

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post #1710 of 2827
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Originally Posted by smonska View Post

Well, I just successfully sold my BDP-95 much more quickly than I thought it would sell, so I'm ready for the BDP-105 NOW!!! :-)

Would you be willing to tell me (us) how much you got for it?
Thanks!
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